[Beneath the Shadows]

Originally Posted by Solumina

Your wife is not all people, my cousin almost died while getting a C-section due to complications but that doesn't happen with everyone.

How does that change the fact that I've never heard any such thing?

I don't know where you got this idea that **** is physically much different from your average every day kind of sex, for most cases the victim is forced to submit either through drugging or threats of violence, not physical force, and even when force is used it doesn't produce any real signatures of ****, it just shows that rough sex occurred, except in the case of extreme minors where the vagina is actually unable to accommodate the size of a penis

No there isn't, there is just evidence of penetration as I stated above **** is sex, the average **** doesn't put all that much strain on the vagina and even in the cases where it does many people enjoy rough sex or sex with well endowed partners so there is still no hard evidence of a ****.

I also want to point out something that you are overlooking that you may want to think about: most **** victims who do go forward do so immediately after and therefor wouldn't really fall under this bill as they are encouraged to take the morning after pill or after they have taken months to sort through what has happened to them, frequently making it significantly more dangerous for them to get an abortion or even after it has become too late for them to have an abortion, even if they knew from the minute they found themselves pregnant that they wanted an abortion.

You know what? I'm through with arguments about ****. If you want to know why, it's because right from the beginning I've said that the only part of the bill that I support is the man's right to have a say. So, obviously, I opposed the rest, which would include anything the bill says about a woman having to prove that she's been *****. Yet for some reason, Saya is either incapable of comprehending this, or she for some reason refuses to accept this. And, like an idiot, I allowed myself to get drawn into it.

No she suggested that people take advantage of their trust by manipulating them. Most victims of molestation while they are children don't realize what happened to them until they are much older.

She said "Children are extremely suggestive." If you go out somewhere and meet someone who's been suggestive toward you, it means they're trying to get you to fuck them.

No shit, there are countless possible scenarios, all of which should be taken into consideration.

It's one thing to take different scenarios into consideration. It's a different thing altogether to discuss a single scenario, then use a different scenario to counter an argument about the original scenario.

Nobody is saying that there shouldn't be a discussion between the two potential parents or that what the man thinks doesn't matter,

Saya is.

but that isn't what this bill is about, this bill is about making sure that a woman can't get an abortion without the consent of the man who knocked her up.

And, like I've already said, there's only one part of the bill that I support. What you just said is not it.