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Old 07-27-2007, 09:50 PM   #24
Drake Dun
 
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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
There's the opinion in favor of evolution, the opinion in favor of creationism, and the opinion of intelligent design.
As others have pointed out before me, "intelligent design" is just a submarine form of creationism. Actually, it's not so much a submarine as an attack cruiser with "this is not an attack cruiser" painted on the side and a small piece of folliage stuck to one side of the conning tower with scotch tape.

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When talking about evolution, where does evidence point to?
It points to common descent through natural selection.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_evolution

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Originally Posted by Katanshin
I notice chaos theory is missing from the options you gave. Irrelevant to your discussion?
How does chaos theory provide a potential substitute for the theory of evolution?

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Originally Posted by GodslayerJillian
And Intelligent Design doesn't really equate to Creationism. Any form of guided evolution rather than simply natural selection is already intelligent design.
I don't think Intelligent Design is really compatible with guided evolution. The entire point of the "irreducible complexity" argument is that complex organisms are an all-or-nothing game. Therefore, speciation through artificial selection is just as impossible as speciation through natural selection, according to Intelligent Design.

Conceivably, the designer could be slowly forming organisms through a non-selective process of direct manipulation, but nobody is arguing that.

This is really key. Creationists, including exponents of Intelligent Design, do not simply reject the modern evolutionary synthesis. They reject common descent in its entirety. To borrow Gould's famous example, for these people, it must be very mysterious that there are no rabbit fossils in the pre-cambrian.

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Originally Posted by Onetwothree
Evolution and God do not make sense together. Perhaps there isn't enough cognitive dissonance in this topic, but they just DON'T MAKE SENSE TOGETHER.
You could have gods and evolution at the same time. It's just that making humans is at least half of what we want God to do, so the theory of evolution seriously threatens his job security. Point being, though, you can still have expansive, pantheist type gods, deist hands-off gods, or animist nature gods or whatever.

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