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CptSternn · 07-16-2012, 02:05 AM

The 'illegal' immigration issue is not only a scapegoat, it is an issue than neither side wants to deal with because it actually benefits America.

How so you may ask?

Well, first there is the issue of taxes. Local taxes are collected via sales tax, home taxes, and vehicle taxes. It doesn't matter if you are in America legally or not, if you buy food, own a car, or rent/own a house you are paying local taxes. When it comes to Federal and State tax, if you make under a certain amount you will not pay either. The bottom half of America does not pay those taxes, and that is not including illegals. Therefore illegals are paying no less than the rest of the bottom 50% of Americans pay anyway. This means illegals are paying the same amount of tax as 50% of Americans and are not getting away with anything.

Per the filled up ERs, again, over 50 million Americans have no healthcare coverage so they also make up this number. If you take the number of estimated illegals (11 million) and compare it, it still means there are five times as many Americans who are doing the same thing, so it is safe to say the issues with crowded ERs has less to do with illegals and five times as much responsibility on actual Americans. Also remember they tend to fly under the radar so they rarely visit an ER unless it is life threatening, unlike many Americans.

Over crowded schools? Again, local taxes. Even the small bit of Federal funding which schools do receive is not based on tax revenue for an area but population, therefore illegals are actually HELPING some areas get more money for schools.

So per the idea illegals cause issues in America in regards to taxes, schools, and hospitals every single one of those hot button issues can be shown to be nothing more than empty rhetoric.

That's before you get into the labour issue. Illegals do not steal American jobs. They work the jobs Americans will not do. This has been proven time and time again. Google Georgia when they passed a law similar to that of Arizona recently. The farmers there, who identified themselves as GOP supporters, PROTESTED this as it caused a huge drop in people to work their fields. They offered pay slightly above minimum wage and still lacked 80% of the workers needed to do the job. Statistics show this is the same story in California. Georgia actually declared a state of emergency due to this and the government is now using convicts to work in the fields as they cannot get workers. Even when using convicts and offering them extra time off their sentencing if they work in the fields they cannot get enough prisoners to do the job. Nine out of ten convicts who signed up for the programme QUIT THE SAME DAY. Who would have thought hard back breaking labour in hundred degree sun would even scare prisoners?

To further this idea, in Arizona the local state government struck down one provision of their law - the part that held employers liable for hiring illegals. How telling is that? It would have stopped companies from hiring illegals, but business owners knowing they need these workers challenged this part of the law and had it struck out. I mean, there would be no illegal workers if there were no companies that would hire them, but that would mean making business owners responsible for their own actions and making them admit that the need these workers, so they removed the only provision which could have actually had a real effect and have again setup a system which allows big business to use illegal labour without fear of being prosecuted.

Without illegal labour the American agricutural industry would go bankrupt pretty much in a matter of months as there would be no harvests. Sure, wheat, corn, and many things harvested in the Mid-West can be done by big machines, but things like lettuce, oranges, strawberries, potatoes, grapes, etc. all have to be done BY HAND, and in a short time frame of a matter of days, else it will all die on the vine. The farmers can't pay but a certain amount for the labour needed, else it will directly effect the cost of the product. Who is going to pay $5 for a head of lettuce? $10 for a container of orange juice?

America needs illegals. The government knows this, however, the GOP often like to roll out this bogeyman around election time to make people think the failures the see in their society around them can be easily explained by blaming a group of foreigners. The sad thing is, many people buy into this without ever taking the time to research this and see that without illegals, America would not be able to feed itself.

07-16-2012, 02:05 AM	#24
CptSternn Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,587	The 'illegal' immigration issue is not only a scapegoat, it is an issue than neither side wants to deal with because it actually benefits America. How so you may ask? Well, first there is the issue of taxes. Local taxes are collected via sales tax, home taxes, and vehicle taxes. It doesn't matter if you are in America legally or not, if you buy food, own a car, or rent/own a house you are paying local taxes. When it comes to Federal and State tax, if you make under a certain amount you will not pay either. The bottom half of America does not pay those taxes, and that is not including illegals. Therefore illegals are paying no less than the rest of the bottom 50% of Americans pay anyway. This means illegals are paying the same amount of tax as 50% of Americans and are not getting away with anything. Per the filled up ERs, again, over 50 million Americans have no healthcare coverage so they also make up this number. If you take the number of estimated illegals (11 million) and compare it, it still means there are five times as many Americans who are doing the same thing, so it is safe to say the issues with crowded ERs has less to do with illegals and five times as much responsibility on actual Americans. Also remember they tend to fly under the radar so they rarely visit an ER unless it is life threatening, unlike many Americans. Over crowded schools? Again, local taxes. Even the small bit of Federal funding which schools do receive is not based on tax revenue for an area but population, therefore illegals are actually HELPING some areas get more money for schools. So per the idea illegals cause issues in America in regards to taxes, schools, and hospitals every single one of those hot button issues can be shown to be nothing more than empty rhetoric. That's before you get into the labour issue. Illegals do not steal American jobs. They work the jobs Americans will not do. This has been proven time and time again. Google Georgia when they passed a law similar to that of Arizona recently. The farmers there, who identified themselves as GOP supporters, PROTESTED this as it caused a huge drop in people to work their fields. They offered pay slightly above minimum wage and still lacked 80% of the workers needed to do the job. Statistics show this is the same story in California. Georgia actually declared a state of emergency due to this and the government is now using convicts to work in the fields as they cannot get workers. Even when using convicts and offering them extra time off their sentencing if they work in the fields they cannot get enough prisoners to do the job. Nine out of ten convicts who signed up for the programme QUIT THE SAME DAY. Who would have thought hard back breaking labour in hundred degree sun would even scare prisoners? To further this idea, in Arizona the local state government struck down one provision of their law - the part that held employers liable for hiring illegals. How telling is that? It would have stopped companies from hiring illegals, but business owners knowing they need these workers challenged this part of the law and had it struck out. I mean, there would be no illegal workers if there were no companies that would hire them, but that would mean making business owners responsible for their own actions and making them admit that the need these workers, so they removed the only provision which could have actually had a real effect and have again setup a system which allows big business to use illegal labour without fear of being prosecuted. Without illegal labour the American agricutural industry would go bankrupt pretty much in a matter of months as there would be no harvests. Sure, wheat, corn, and many things harvested in the Mid-West can be done by big machines, but things like lettuce, oranges, strawberries, potatoes, grapes, etc. all have to be done BY HAND, and in a short time frame of a matter of days, else it will all die on the vine. The farmers can't pay but a certain amount for the labour needed, else it will directly effect the cost of the product. Who is going to pay $5 for a head of lettuce? $10 for a container of orange juice? America needs illegals. The government knows this, however, the GOP often like to roll out this bogeyman around election time to make people think the failures the see in their society around them can be easily explained by blaming a group of foreigners. The sad thing is, many people buy into this without ever taking the time to research this and see that without illegals, America would not be able to feed itself.