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Old 05-03-2012, 01:04 PM   #144
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Because its a manifestation of a problem much bigger than you or me. There's nothing inherently revolutionary or radical in Occupy.
Occupy Wall Street in NYC is largely Red Anarchist. You're judging the whole movement on Occupy Newfoundland.

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The one here has established itself as reformist, capitalism isn't inherently evil and they incorporated to show that corporates don't have to be evil and they'll set a good example.
That is wrongheaded. Maybe if some more experienced activists had become part of the discussion that wouldn't have happened?

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OWS is overwhelmingly male and white in a city where white men are a minority, and chants how they are Trayvon Martin as if they know what its like to be the victim of racism, and if you're not with them, you're with the counter-revolution.
You are twisting what I've said to fit your narrative.

1) I am Trayvonn Martin was the MILLION HOODIES CHANT. It was not OWS's Chant. OWS was chanting it in solidarity with the rest of the crowd.

What are we supposed to chant? Elon James White objected to "We are the 99%", now you're objecting to "I am Trayvonn Martin" maybe all the white men involved with Occupy should just shut the fuck up and go home?

Because seriously, that seems to be what you're saying here.

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Activists who have been around for ages doing the same god damn work and more suddenly don't matter and are part of the problem if they don't want to be with Occupy. Meanwhile you march and sit in and hope that socialism will be given if you just reform enough laws and have enough politicians speak to the group. You listen to a woman or a person of colour now and then to pat yourself on the back for being inclusive, but attack anyone who says you aren't inclusive enough. You're so in love with yourselves you couldn't give two shits.
Saya, remember when you told me I was reacting out of white guilt? I took a look inside and realized you were right. I want you to do the same thing now.

I want you to consider that you're acting very possessively towards activism. You don't own social justice, you don't own activism and Occupy can't take either away from you.

I want you to consider that regardless of whether or not it's fair, Occupy has caused the issues YOU'VE been fighting for your whole life to gain some new traction, and some international attention. The next few years are going to be crucial and which groups of activists who get involved with occupy could very well mean the difference between it being a reform movement and a movement for radical change.

Occupy Wall Street isn't asking for socialism to be granted. We aren't supporting Obama. We're engaging in direct action against targets like Bank of America in an attempt to make them go insolvent. Occupy Seattle caused the city to declare a state of Emergency Oakland is nearly a warzone



the protestors attacked banks and businesses and The OPD deployed a goddamn tank they bought from Blackwater against them. Occupy San Francisco took over private property in order to turn it into a community center Occupy Wall Street brought out 30,000 activists we were lead down the street by fucking taxi drivers:



But no, this isn't a real movement, we just want reform. That's why my friends are getting their heads split by NYPD batons. That's why female members of occupy are being sexually assulted by the NYPD that's why we're putting up with rain, snow, freezing conditions, and police brutality because we're just sitting in a park and asking for socialism. <--Check out around 1:13 btw, You can actually see the NYPD reach down and pull up a female protester's skirt while they arrest them.

I would like you to consider, Saya, that perhaps Newfoundland is privileged enough, that it can incorporate and ask for reform and a little more socialism than Canada already has. Things are very different here in the states.

I would like you to consider that perhaps I was NOT saying that occupy couldn't be criticized, but that YOUR criticisms were not entirely correct. That you lacked information about Occupy, and that this information should be taken into account whenever one talks about the movement as a whole.

I would like you to look through this album of mayday actions around the world, and tell me precisely WHY all of these people are wrong and/or, just want reforms:

http://imgur.com/a/kr1Ug#0
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