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I knew the 'this country founded on immigrants' line would pop up eventually. No, we're not all immigrants. Try looking up its definition. Unless you were born in another country and later moved here, you're not an immigrant. You might have immigrant ancestors, but that still does not make YOU an immigrant. Just the decendant of one, or two or ten. "African-Americans"? Bull. Shit. Politically Correct, pulled-it-out-of- their-asses fucking bullshit. Unless they were born in Africa and later moved here and established citizenship LEGALLY, they're simply Americans. My grandmother was an Italian-American. Why? Because she was born and raised in Florence Italy, then married my grandfather and moved with him back to the US, where she studied, learned to speak and write in English (which is still, for now, a requirement in order to obtain citizenship status here), and got her citizenship. Thus making her an Italian-American IMMIGRANT.

But back to my previous... Why do you think it is that pregnant women from mexico, again, try their damnedest to get across the border before their kids are born? So that they are born in the US, making them natural born US citizens. (NOT IMMIGRANTS) And somewhere down through the twisting vines of politics it allows their mothers to stay here too. Legally. At least for a while. And you know, I really don't have a whole lot of problems with that.

Case in point. Sort of... There's a man in Atlanta, GA who'se been fighting to keep his daughter. I think she's somewhere between 8 and 10 years old. Maybe younger. He's a legal US citizen. Whether he was born here or came here later I don't remember. Regardless, he's completely legit. I think he even has some sort of government job. Or maybe he's a cop. Dunno. His daughter, however, is not. So the feds are taking his daughter from him and sending her back to mexico, or panama, or somewhere else, in south america, where her mother lives, and where she was born. Why can't she stay here with her father, where she wants to be? What is the harm in one little girl staying here where she does have a legal parent, who is perfectly capable of taking care of her, putting her through school, etc? Its definately not because her mother wants her back. If I remember correctly it was her mother who did everything she could to send her to live with her father because she knew she'd have a better life here.

So they can target this one little girl and make her and her father's life hell and yet let truck loads of adult illegal immigrants in every day and do absolutely not a fuckin thing about it.

And its really not so much that I have a problem with them coming over here wanting to work and earn a living. I said that much earlier, that I don't blame them for wanting a better life here. But of course, as always, you people like to pick and choose sentences and statements made, to bash, criticize, etc, and completely ignore the rest of it. The problem is, for one thing, the sheer number of illegals coming in day after day after day. The domino effect it all has on everybody else that's here legally. Whether they were naturally born here or legally obtained their citizenship status. Doesn't matter. You have one group of people that are legal, and another group that are not legal. The illegals are flooding into a country that they do not legally belong in, taking jobs from those who do legally belong here, not paying taxes, milking the legal citizens of their tax money, education system, health care, etc, (not to mention (and this is not a race thing, again), causing crime rates to sky rocket in areas that are heavily populated with said illegal immigrants. Try looking at demographics stats vs crime rate stats sometime.) Then turn around and send all the money they're earning illegally back to their country, for the benefit of that country. What do we, as a society, benefit from them being here? You want to bitch and moan about their benefitting from our society because its so much better here, and that people in a society should help each other out. Really. What benefits do we get? Higher crime rates, less jobs, more taxes, less heath care. Answer?

I have absolutely no problem with them coming here to work, I will say again, as long as they are working legally. Contributing to our economy and society legally, as the rest of us are required and expected to do.

Here's a bit of trivia for you. In the UAE (that is the United Arab Emirates), if you are not a born citizen, then they expect you to be working. Once you reach retirement, you go home. If you're not working, you go home. Home being whatever country you came from, because its definately not there. There is no option for obtaining your citizenship there. You can live and raise a family there, they love that. But as soon as you stop working, or are no longer able to work, for whatever reason, its time to go. No if's ands or buts about it. Why do they do that? Because they believe that if you were not born in that country, then you have no right to be there. They allow you to be there as long as you are working and contributing to their society. (And no, having a kid born there does not make your kid a citizen, just another of your dependants). Once you're no longer able to do that, you leave. If you're a citizen, well then you're treated like royalty and foreigners have to all but bow in your presence. I was arrested once while I lived there, by a citizen, for using a video camera in an area that video cameras were not allowed. I didn't know that of course or I wouldn't have been using one. Had I not had a diplomatic passport and green card, who knows what the hell would have happened to me. Anyway...

[QUOTE: Empty_Purple_Stars] Employers have a LEGAL obligation to provide a SAFE workplace for their employees, REGARDLESS of citizenship status.[/quote]

Yes. and Employers have a LEGAL obligation to employ LEGAL CITIZENS. Or, those who are LEGALLY allowed to work here.

If you're here illegally, doing whatever the hell it is you're doing, and some shit happens to you, tough shit. Reap what you sow.

Example. If you're in a car accident where its clearly, completely the other motorist's fault that caused the accident, but you don't have a legal drivers license or registration, or you're driving under a suspended license, or in some cases even if you simply don't have insurance, or its expired or lapsed, you're automatically charged with the accident, because in the eyes of the law YOU had absolutely ZERO business driving to begin with. Which means if you hadn't been driving, the accident would not have happened. It doesn't mean that it happened BECAUSE you were driving illegally, it just means that you didn't have any business driving, so therefore it's still your fault. It doesn't make the injuries and/or subsequent deaths any less tragic, but it does make it your fault. The same rule applies to illegal imigrants. If they weren't here, those accidents would not have happened to them at that particular place and time. They had no business being here. No LEGAL right to be here.

I'm all for people from where ever, trying to make the best of it for themselves and their families, as long as they go about it the right way, the legal way, and don't cause harm to those others who are already there doing the same thing, the right way. But when they start fucking up my shit, taking away various opportunities or benefits that are legally entitled to me, I get pissed off. And when I'm expected to bow to them, change my way of life to accomodate them, no. Fuck that shit. I'm sorry their country blows. Shit happens. I'm not responsible for whatever it is that caused their economy, or their environment to suck. If you want to get right down to it, they're responsible. They live there. They were born there. They have the power to change shit there for the better. They choose not to. Instead they choose to run away from their problems, or beg somebody else to fix their shit for them, instead of doing it themselves. How many countries send us money to fix our health system or education system or feed our hungry, shelter our homeless? If the day ever comes that there's not one single homeless man or hungry kid on any street corner of any city or town in our country, none of our LEGAL citizens are living paycheck to paycheck, and our economy, national deficit, etc, isn't in the hole, then by all means send the extra dollars to those that need it most.

The ironic thing is, you all want to bitch about national socialism and how horrible it is, yet wanting to dole out the wealth and resources and equal rights to the rest of the world so that nobody goes without. is that not global socialism? The concept of having natural rights to the land you were born on is nothing new. Its how the world has worked since the beginning of civilization, both man and animal alike. Its only when that land and its resources are taken by others that things change. When all the illegal immigrants have finally come here and our economy is hopeless, where do we go? what happens to us?