[MrMaelstrom]

Binks, your word will suffice.

Now, let me go on to say why she shouldn't be considered to be any kind of traitor in any real peace-loving democracy.

you know what? Babies really were killed and butchered. It's a fact jack.

It happens in every single war. ****, pillaging, torture. It happened in every single war fought by humanity. There was murder, theft, torture and **** in WWII by both sides.

Same in Korea.

Same in Vietnam. If with all the political correctness, the same is still going on in the current "war", why should a 30 year-old conflict be any different?

When your enemy looks different, it's an easy step to consider them to be sub-human.

Do not think for a moment that what has been (and still is) going on would happen if instead of Iraq, the coalition had invaded Sweden.


Vietnam survivors (no matter how loving and caring they are today) did commit atrocities in war time.

They were not the same people. sounds weird, but it ain't.

Portugal fought a 10 year war in Guinea-Bissau, Angola and Mozambique. My old man died in it.

Our soldiers killed, ***** and maimed. they are today loving parents, husbands and co-workers (in spite of all the traumas).

So did the other side (including Cuban guerrillas helping out the left-wing native guerrillas and CIA agents helping out the right-wing ones).

Both sides we're responsible for the torture, **** and mass-murder of whole villages under the enemy's control. Saying that ALL soldiers did this is obviously nfair and does not portray an accurate picture of any of our soldiers, but to deny the atrocities is tantamount to sticking your head up your arse.

We used napalm. So did you.

The US just admited TODAY that it used incendiary bombs in the Fallujah conflict.
It already had denied using napalm in the taking of Baghdad; we later found out that the only difference was that the new bombs were a lot more powerfull (well that's ok, then).

the US has not denied at all the existence and use of secret CIA prisons devised for torture all over the world (Thailand, Poland, Indonesia are examples).

Guantanamo is not fiction. Waht seems fiction is the US feeding its people the line that the ongoing abuse has something to do with flushing the Koran down a toilet.

The US refuses to acknowledge "insurgents" as enemy combatants (thus granting them prisoner status). If considered terrorists, then charges MUST be brought up.

We are all in retrocess right now. Sooner or later, we'll sink back to the middle ages while trying to "protect" the rights we fought so hard for (at the cost of many lives).

Remember: the ends NEVER justify the means.

Do you not think so? Well, consider this, if the war on terror were being fought right now on US soil, would 30.000 dead US civilians justify to the american people the necessity of this war? Hell no.

But when it's people thousands of miles away (especially when they don't even look like us), then its ok. How would an american citizen feel if his/her town was carpet bombed to ruble on account of a CIA report saying that rebel insurgents were housed there? Even if proven right, the CIA would be instatly dismantled (and use a new name, just like our troll fucktards over here).

How many here have said (even if only to themselves) that all muslims are pieces of shit, or that the middle East should be nuked? More than a few, I'll bet.

So Jane Fonda is a bimbo. She married Turner and did home exercise videos, what did you expect?

Elvis advocated Vietnam while taking photo ops with Lyndon Johnson and Sean Penn visited Iraq. Who gives a fuck?

I'm more worried about the words that come out of that moron Rumsfeld's mouth.

I'm a lot more worried about the words that come out of US dictators' (Cheney and Rice) mouths.