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Old 05-03-2012, 01:12 AM   #111
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You say this but at the same time it doesn't feel like even here we have a dialogue, we have two competing monologues. Many of the questions asked aren't getting direct answers, I know part of that is that you love the movement and so you see everything wonderful about it and that can make it more difficult to see the ugly stuff, this is human nature so I get it but if it feels like we are harping on the same points over and over again it is because we don't feel like you are really seeing what we are trying to get across.
1) I'm sorry, this is one on, like 3 or 4. I work 3 jobs, my work is banned from Gnet, and I have activism and playwrighting to juggle.

If I missed something important please bring it up again and I'll do my best to give you a straight answer.

2) That's pretty dismissive. Are you going to call me sweet-cheek's next.

Here: I'll say it - Not recognizing privilege is Occupies #1 internal problem. Steps have been taken, and are being taken to correct this, but once again, this is a PROCESS


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First just with the protestors then I figured that there may be better luck at the GA but that was actually even worse. Since then I've also been at various events that Occupy Norfolk has been a part of and still very much felt pushed aside and looked down on by the Occupiers, even when the overall tone of the event was very inclusive.
Well I'm sorry that happened. I don't know anything about Occupy Norfolk. It may be that they're just doing it wrong.

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I want to be clear that I'm not wanting Occupy to be better and more inclusive than your average political protest or whatever, the issue here is that my experiences with these Occupiers has been much more negative than with any movement that I can remember.
That probably has to do with the lateral culture. Other political gatherings are constrained by hierarchy, so the crazies are less likely to speak up less they be banned. Still I contend that other political gatherings still have all of these problems, they're just concealed. At least with Occupy this shit is out in the open and it can be dealt with - and make no mistake it NEEDS to be dealt with, because without a cultural revolution all you'll get are reforms and small concessions.

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No, I didn't think it would be necessary, I never have in the past with other groups, many much larger than the crowd at the GA, and my experience was such that I don't feel that it is worth it for me to bother, especially as Jake did none of those things and people were more than willing to listen to him.
Sounds like you've got some Macho rednecks. I'd say form a working group and send a proposal to the GA to facillitate more female voices.

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But if the movement is doing nothing to address those issues then I do feel that it is fair to extend the critique to the movement as a whole, mind you this is not to accuse every member of being racist or sexist but to say that for things like this to be allowed to become so prevalent is indicative of a very real problem that truly needs to be addressed.
1) Teach-ins

2) Facilitation is trained to deal with it

3) Speakers are brought in to lecture on it.

4) It's written in to our official policy

5) Occupiers are writing about it

6) every establishment liberal news source is repeating it ad-nauseaum

7) Our process itself addresses the problem

Why in the fuck do you contend that that nothing is being done? What more do you want?
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