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Old 02-04-2012, 04:35 PM   #1
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Explain something to me.

Why is Obama raising taxes on the rich considered to be class warfare, but admitting you don't care about poor people, lecturing black people about demanding pay checks instead of food stamps, wanting black kids to work as janitors, calling Spanish a language of the ghetto, touting culture of poverty theory...why isn't that stuff considered class warfare?
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:40 PM   #2
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Because rich people have PR reps.
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Because rich people have PR reps.
and lots of lawyers.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:09 PM   #4
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Saya, the USA is a very... nasty place. Don't even get me started.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:54 PM   #5
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Why is Obama raising taxes on the rich considered to be class warfare, but admitting you don't care about poor people, lecturing black people about demanding pay checks instead of food stamps, wanting black kids to work as janitors, calling Spanish a language of the ghetto, touting culture of poverty theory...why isn't that stuff considered class warfare?
Because shut up. What do you have against rich people?
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:12 PM   #6
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My tiny Canadian brain just doesn't get the double think!
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:54 PM   #7
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Okay, new one. Anti-War websites like War Costs point out the costs of war and what the money we've pumped into militarization and war could have otherwise paid for (housing, education, etc). When you go to their facebook page, on most of their graphics there's someone talking about how Paul is the dove candidate.

How does isolationism make him a man of peace, and doesn't it undermine the point that taxes could be better put to use, if he's against taxes and socialism at all?
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:22 PM   #8
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Ron Paul has a weird cult of personality in the states, even a sizable number of occupiers support him.

There are basically a ton of neckbeards who lash their wagons to his 72 year old "constitutionalist" crap because the Republican party has alienated all the fiscal conservatives with it's Culture War etiquette, and Libertarians/Fiscal conservatives positively LOVE the idea of a politician who is principled to a fault.

They don't so much care about HOW he's principeled, they just like the fact that he is.
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It occurs to me that if I go to the states for school, I'm going to have a rough time with this kind of thing.
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Why do you think I'm trying to go to YOUR country?
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It'll definitely be a learning experience. You'll probably see why Kontan and I are such ardent anti-theists. Lately, the republican party has just kinda gone: "Fuck it, let's see how crazy the American people will allow us to be" and proceeded to let loose the waters on their ultra-conservative policies.

We've now got Pontiac Michigan where the duly elected officials have been undemocratically kicked out of office and replaced with businessmen who are selling off everything from the fire department to the police station to private interests. In Virginia they just passed a law that requires women have an ultrasound no less than 2 hours before having an abortion (and in some cases this will actually require vaginal penetration in order to determine the "age of the fetus" so we almost have government mandated **** being used to dissuade "sluts" from having an abortion.) And it looks like Santorum may wind up being their presidential candidate.

The party that claims they want "less government intrusion" is putting into office a man who likes the idea of (state-level) banning of birth control and government intrusion into private bedrooms in order to confirm that no "for pleasure Sex" is taking place.

Honestly, I'm thinking about leaving for Canada these days.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:52 AM   #12
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I hope that all the other people like you guys aren't thinking about leaving, too. The rest of us don't have the words to keep from getting fucked.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:00 PM   #13
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I have actually considered leaving the country if it did turn out that I'd have to live through this current flavor of GOP if they won the presidency.

But they're doing shit more or less on a state level it seems. I mean... Santorum is fucked up; it'd be a cold day in Hell before a madman like that got the presidency. What I don't get is how we as a culture aren't spitting on bigots like this. But it's the shit in other states that bug me. Why there are states that want to be a theocracy and are hostile and phobic of science and weary of intellectualism and I actually HAVE to call these people fellow Americans drives me nuts. It's because they ARE under the same federal laws, that I find the issues in Michigan and the south and just about everywhere I find so bothersome. To think these crazy fucks can actually affect the federal level of governanc is creepy.

Frankly, I'm more exhausted from the arguments that it's all about religious freedom.

Well then fuck your religion, really. And also fuck this state's rights bullshit. If they want to talk about state's rights, then I implore the US to dissolve the union completely. I'd be pretty fine with New York being its own country.

But some assholes from other states would probably think they'd have to invade New York due to cultural and political differences.
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:01 PM   #14
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I wouldn't mind doing grad studies in the states just because as horrific as the religious right can be, at least its interesting to study. Basically my thought is "Wouldn't it be fascinating to study the really crazy ones?" but on the other hand, I'd also have to live with the crazy ones.

We talked a lot about the right in my Disney and Religion course last semester and I'm taking a course about Christianity in the modern era, and still I can't really figure out what's in the water down there. Seriously, this is my semester so far:

Europe: Neo-Orthodoxy and Protestant conservatism started with Karl Blarth who was horrified to see that so many theologians supported the Kaiser in going to war in WWI. He viewed nationalism as a form of idolatry. When Protestant churches went along with Hitler's church program, he was once again horrified and sent a pamphlet and letter to Hitler reminding him Jesus was Jewish, and started his own church program to counter, eventually leading to him being deported. He blamed liberalism for not taking spirituality seriously, leading to religious folk easily bending their beliefs to suit the nationalist agenda. Also blamed them for being elitist and out of touch with the working class.

American conservatism: The theory of Evolution just really pissed us off and we've been having one long temper tantrum since.
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I have actually considered leaving the country if it did turn out that I'd have to live through this current flavor of GOP if they won the presidency.

But they're doing shit more or less on a state level it seems. I mean... Santorum is fucked up; it'd be a cold day in Hell before a madman like that got the presidency. What I don't get is how we as a culture aren't spitting on bigots like this. But it's the shit in other states that bug me. Why there are states that want to be a theocracy and are hostile and phobic of science and weary of intellectualism and I actually HAVE to call these people fellow Americans drives me nuts. It's because they ARE under the same federal laws, that I find the issues in Michigan and the south and just about everywhere I find so bothersome. To think these crazy fucks can actually affect the federal level of governanc is creepy.
I think that we've been telling ourselves "It must be like this in other countries, too." Just a little something to rationalize the creeping truth that is becoming harder and harder to ignore.

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But some assholes from other states would probably think they'd have to invade New York due to cultural and political differences.
Or because you're developing nucular weapons.
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American conservatism: The theory of Evolution just really pissed us off and we've been having one long temper tantrum since.
Well, it is just a theory, after all.
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For the same reason having church affiliated organisations pay for womens contraceptives is an attack on religion, yet the same organisations happily pay for mens vasectomies and no one says boo.

It's all down to the GOP and the fact they are rich white men. Anything that goes against them they find a way to make it a moral crusade, usually rooted in their warped interpretation of the Bible, yet have no problem launching what can only be called identical attacks on women, non-whites, or poor people and then trying to justify their hypocritical actions again using morals or again the Bible as their basis for backing said changes.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:27 PM   #18
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Because in America, the poor hate themselves. I have a hunch that only Americans are really ashamed of poverty--so much, that the poor will deny being poor, and actually spend money they need just to put up a facade. The war on the poor begins at home.

I think that the Five Stages of Grieving actually some up poverty pretty well--people just get tired fighting the current and lose hope, never have any hope to begin with, or are absolutely living under a rock/with their heads in the sand.
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