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Politics "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule -and both commonly succeed, and are right."
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03-06-2006, 02:13 AM
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Sounds like you went to a good school.
Circle Jerks? Husker Du? They aren't in my list of Anarcho-punk bands...
Should they be?
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03-06-2006, 02:48 AM
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Well back in their day, I suppose they were the pioneers of that whole ideal, in my opinion.
There are a few Husker Du tracks HERE.
Zen Arcade & Flip Your Wig were their best albums in my opinion. " Pink Turns to Blue", " Celebrated Summer" and " Don't want to know if you're lonely " are still on my " Best Punk Songs Ever" list.
Keith Morris from Black Flag started Circle Jerks. They are truly one of the first punk bands, and were as loud and anti-establishment as they came back then." Live Fast, Die Young" was one of their best songs, and an angsty anthem for me, way back when.. There are some sample of a few of their tracks HERE.
All in all they are both definitely worth a listen, if you're interested in the roots of Anarchist Punk.
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03-06-2006, 03:04 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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It's a great idea but it's really not feasibly possible, for reasons that many have already stated. I think the best thing to do is keep the spirit of the Anarchy movement alive by working to make positive change within our societies and governments today.
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03-06-2006, 04:41 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Woah, E_P_S, I'm impressed! I managed to listen to the Husker Du songs from the link you gave me. Great link by the way!! Quite a selection they have there. The link for the Circle Jerks only works within the US so I couldn't listen. But I went to the HMV site and listened to some songs from Group Sex. All songs less than 1 min 40 secs, I like those numbers!
Blushing: "positive change". Wise words sister. Secret meeting at the docks tonight. Be there.
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03-06-2006, 04:48 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Take Anti-Flag for example.
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03-06-2006, 04:57 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Not sure I follow you. "Anti-Flag" is that a band? Or are you suggesting we burn all national flags.
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03-06-2006, 05:05 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Anti-Flag is an awesome punk band. They are anarchists, but they do a lot to change what's going on politically today.
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03-06-2006, 05:12 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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And I though I was going to learn about Anarchism in this thread! Silly me. I'll check them out, thanks.
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03-06-2006, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Anti-Flag, Anti-Heros, The Descendants, Moral Crux, they all are good. Oh yeah, and I booked em all at da club I used to work.
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03-29-2006, 06:06 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In a place that's way too damn hot.
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If you give everything to a person, they will only want more.
If you turn a blind eye on mistakes, less and less care will be taken to avoid making them.
If you tempt a person to steal, lie, or cheat enough -- if you can rationalize it enough -- that person will steal, lie, or cheat.
If there is no punishment, there is no reason not to do something. Take away the penalty for murder and you imply that murder is not that bad. More murders will inevitably result.
The only reason people obey the ten commandments is because God threatens them with Hell. It has nothing to do with mankind's inner angel. It has to do with man being afraid of pain.
Take a look at little kids. If they want something, they'll just try to take it. This is without conditioning, without being told that they have to play nice and share, and a lot of the time even with this conditioning. Humans think about the individual first.
If somebody gets something stolen from them, we say, "Oh, that's too bad." If somebody steals something from us, we want heads to roll.
Anarchy can never work, at least not until mankind has "evolved." And mankind has been around for a *long* time. If we were going to outgrow this sort of behaviour, one would think we'd show signs of it by now...
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03-29-2006, 07:01 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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I am a closet anarchist. I would have to agree that in today's society, it wouldn't work.
We are not getting any better, either. Greed is ruling the world, the number of violent crimes is skyrocketing, people are killing each other, not only in the cities, but also in more rural areas, and I can't help but notice a kind of sinister aura about these days.
Something is going to break soon. If the hman race survives that we may be able to have a very loose anarchy. We may have evolve to that.
But right now, it would be impossible.
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03-29-2006, 07:47 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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"I pledge the grievance to the flag
Of the United State of America
And to the Republicans whom I can't stand
One nation under smog, indespicable
With liberty and justice for some, not all."
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03-29-2006, 01:57 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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I view Anarchy like I view Marxism, they are excellent ideas but I have no confidence in my fellow man to fully see them implemented without resorting to chaos or totalitarianism. My personal beliefs lie somewhere betwixt Anarchism and Nihilism.
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04-15-2006, 02:05 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Right now in England but I am an American
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I think that a brief peroid of Anarchy would be good for the world. It will rid ourselves of overpid fatcats that makes our laws and rules for us. It couldn't last though. It would make me to tired. A little revolution is nedded from time to time.
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04-15-2006, 04:35 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Neverwhere
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Someone wrote that Anarchy is fine when it is Romantic. Well, that's what the French Revolution was....but I understand your point.
Shiny Happy People Holding Hands.
The Wikipedia article also talks about various degrees of anarchists which by it's very nature of categorization does not seem to me to resemble true anarchy.
Nice theory.
It'll never work due to the myriad of reasons previously cited.
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04-15-2006, 05:23 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Right now in England but I am an American
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I know and it makes me weep ever night. I just hope I wake up one day with the world crashing around me and find the goverment revised. That would be a good day.
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04-15-2006, 05:47 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: buttmunch Houston, TX
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No……just, no. Anarchy is for thirteen year olds with bad taste in music (excluding the real anarchists). When at least you can’t imagine anything worse than a corrupt government there’s anarchy. I don’t believe there would be much left after a brief period of anarchy. Think of how gross it would be if convicts were free to roam the streets and not even hesitate to commit any violent act. The whole point of an established system is to protect people from their natural calling of the flesh. Heehee, it’s funny that we have to protect ourselves from our own subhuman tendencies. It would make more sense if we were ruled by a superior race. (Forgive me if I’m full of shit.)
Conspicuous public murders, wrecked businesses and companies, and the mere thought of dumb people and their even dumber and more so unmotivated ideas do not strike me as a very uplifting revolution.
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Imagination keeps the shadows away
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04-15-2006, 05:59 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Right now in England but I am an American
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Anarchy is for little punk that really don't have any concept or grasp on reality, but I am trying to convey that to reset the system people need to taste a little horror. Poiltations need to see what theie are doing and relize that personal gain shouldn't matter in a public office. I am the furthest thing from an anarhist but it is a fun idea to kick around. Just an idea.
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04-15-2006, 10:17 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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...since this is an anarchy thread... why not look up anarchy literature? A good place to start would be with a copy of "Patterns of Anarchy" which was published in the '70s...
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04-15-2006, 10:39 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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I think the best authority on Anarchy would be textfiles of the eighties, but I'm not sure where you'd find them. I know textfiles.com has some good ones, but it's mostly mixed with, "Mk ur wn b0ms!".
Anyway, my opinion of Anarchy is this: No.
That's right. A single word: No.
Any benefits I can see it having, would be shot down by one thing: Human Stupidity.
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04-15-2006, 11:31 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: New Mexico
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Icarian, it would not be shot down by human stupidity, it would be shot down the evils of humans.
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Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such.
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04-16-2006, 06:42 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Behind you ... (well, if your back's to London)
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I think you're both right. All too often, the two go hand in hand.
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The meek shall inherit the earth. Just as soon as the rest of us have finished with it.
A dream is just a nightmare with lipstick ~ Toni Morrison
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04-16-2006, 12:42 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Right now in England but I am an American
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Human stupid ruins most things. Even Chaos. That's sad.
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04-16-2006, 01:55 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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Anarchy is already ruling, one way or another.
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04-16-2006, 01:56 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Right now in England but I am an American
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With Anarchy ther is no ruling.
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