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Old 09-19-2009, 12:17 PM   #26
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Maybe you should figure that out for yourself.
You don't know either, do you?
Probably because the constitution doesn't say shit about rights at all. The Bill of Rights were an afterthought; amendments, remember, and those don't give rights for a city to secede from its state, nor do they allow for the workers to retake the means of production they man.
Fuck your constitution; its main body is nothing but the division of powers; a division of powers that can only be controlled by an elite. What a hypocrite you are.
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Old 09-19-2009, 12:32 PM   #27
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I would rather stand my ground and fight instead of run like a coward.

Why, you might ask yourself would someone with a single shot rifle stand his ground against Highly mobile infantry,backed up by armor,air support and fully automatic weapons?

"Because the guy is crazy" you might answer.


No it isn't due to any lack of mental capabilities,I know very well that my chances for survival are slim to none when faced with that type of opposition.

But I would still fight,in hopes of causing delays to what some might call the inevitable,because at that point I wouldn't have anything left to lose except my life,and I would rather be killed in battle as a free human being than be put into camps where I would slowly die as a slave.
Jesus christ. I kind of hope that civil war does break out in America just so that you can be fired out of a fucking cannon.
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:00 PM   #28
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You don't know either, do you?
Probably because the constitution doesn't say shit about rights at all. The Bill of Rights were an afterthought; amendments, remember, and those don't give rights for a city to secede from its state, nor do they allow for the workers to retake the means of production they man.
Fuck your constitution; its main body is nothing but the division of powers; a division of powers that can only be controlled by an elite. What a hypocrite you are.
You're so caught up in your hate for the constitution that you fail to see a way to create what you and others like you want.

The bill of rights outlines Individual rights,that can be used in a collective (You and others like you) to form your own government (or lack of Government),by using article 10 to it's fullest definition.
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:13 PM   #29
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Can we by "Individual Rights" opt to disregard the rest of the Constitution?
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:19 PM   #30
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After you've obtained that goal you can if you want to,but it would be a folly to try and force others to do as you and yours have.

And by forcing your will on others you would in other words become the thing you've claimed to hate so much.

You don't want anything to do with the U.S. constitution that's fine just don't try to force your views on others.

But that is where you'll run into more than a few snags because some get pleasure from controlling others.
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Who says I'm talking just about me? This fucking scenario has been all along about a city trying to secede from a state.
Why must you be such a hypocrite that you accuse everyone else of changing the subject, but YOU can?
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:37 PM   #32
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Who says I'm talking just about me? This fucking scenario has been all along about a city trying to secede from a state.
Why must you be such a hypocrite that you accuse everyone else of changing the subject, but YOU can?
It has to start at an individual level.

Why ask questions that are off topic in the first place Alan/Jillian?
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:42 PM   #33
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So why the fuck talk about a militia, i.e. thinking that people will join your little right-wing constitutional fetish?
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:52 PM   #34
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So why the fuck talk about a militia, i.e. thinking that people will join your little right-wing constitutional fetish?
So if I embraced Anarchism (A form of Government without government...who is the hypocrite again???) you would feel all warm and fuzzy?
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Not really, because you'd be too fucking stupid to understand real politics.
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So why the fuck talk about a militia, i.e. thinking that people will join your little right-wing constitutional fetish?
Have I claimed to be right wing or did you just decide I was right wing?

But that isn't the point.

Why not talk about a Militia ?
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Why not talk about a city that wants to secede?
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Have I claimed to be right wing or did you just decide I was right wing?

But that isn't the point.

Why not talk about a Militia ?
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Why not talk about a city that wants to secede?

Because the subject of this topic deals with Martial Law,and the best way to combat Martial Law is to form a Militia of like minded civilians.
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Because the subject of this topic deals with Martial Law,and the best way to combat Martial Law is to form a Militia of like minded civilians.
Why the fuck wouldn't you want to discuss what a militia stands for and why? Debating whether a militia is morally acceptable doesn't mean shit if you keep trying to evade a discussion about what you actually stand for.
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What if I said the best way to combat Martial Law is for a city to become autonomous?

Stop sidestepping and answer my fucking question! Can a city claim "Individual rights" (I still haven't seen an amendment by that name by the way) and ignore the rest of the Constitution, or are they still to be subordinate to the arbitrary division of three powers because that's what's in the Constitution?
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What if I said the best way to combat Martial Law is for a city to become autonomous?

Stop sidestepping and answer my fucking question! Can a city claim "Individual rights" (I still haven't seen an amendment by that name by the way) and ignore the rest of the Constitution, or are they still to be subordinate to the arbitrary division of three powers because that's what's in the Constitution?
I'll answer yours when you answer mine.
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What was yours? "Why not talk about militia?"?
Because you're not letting me talk about city autonomy for some reason.
Your turn.
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:33 AM   #43
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I'll answer yours when you answer mine.

You want to play fine we'll play.

What can an Autonomous Collective do to insure it stays Autonomous?

Form a Militia to insure it's defense against an aggressive take over.
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I'm not arguing against a militia. Syndicates created worker militias to defend themselves against the fascists.

What I am asking you is where in the constitution can a city have self-determination, the right to secede from its state, and whether they can ignore the main body of the constitution which deals with nothing but an arbitrary division of powers.
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