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Old 03-08-2006, 07:01 AM   #1
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Random Bookbag/Locker Checks

How would you feel if public schools instituted random bookbag & locker checks? I'm personally against it...I feel it's a way of saying that all school students are punks and criminals. Laws based on stereotypes never work, just piss people off. What's your opinion on this subject?
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Old 03-08-2006, 07:20 AM   #2
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Bah. I know I said I already did my last post, but just one more.

It sucks how schools do this, but it's called in loco parentis. That means they take over the responsibility as your parents while you are in their custody. So, they legally have the right to do it.
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:28 AM   #3
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But since they are my guardians, I can just say no and get sent to my room

Also, doesn't that mean they can spank me?
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:00 AM   #4
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All of this seems to go over my head. I mean why they would search bags in school.
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:26 AM   #5
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I think that they should do it once in a while and check EVERYONE in the school in order to kind of control the students. But they shouldn't check lockers or bags really often or, like Xng said, target specific students.
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Old 03-08-2006, 01:28 PM   #6
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Our highschool was used by the RCMP to train drug-sniffing dogs, and occasionally they'd bring them around the locker area...It was pretty funny seeing people stuff the weed down their pants before the dogs get to their locker ^_^
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Old 03-09-2006, 03:46 AM   #7
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Yeah, thats already legal in the states. Federal courts ruled that schools/universities own the lockers/email/shell accounts so they can search them anytime they want without asking and without a warrant because it's their private property, while as a corporation has to get a warrant or have a rule on file which the employees must sign to give up that right.

I know, as while attending university in the states, I was brought up on judicial review board charges no less than 12 times in 3 seperate incidents, one of which involved the FBI going through my shell account and trying to bring charges against me and another involving the ATF, who raided my house on campus with an assault team.

Both were deemed legal, even though they never had warrants and other than 'hear-say' information, they really had weak cases, which meant on one level it was good, as neither agency could prosecute me, but the schools judicial board as because its not a real court was able to impose sentences that effected my school career.

I was forced to change majors as I was barred from all the computer labs on campus and my email/shell was taken and never given back, plus on the other event I was barred from keeping firearms in any residence on campus and had to sign a waivers allowing for campus security to preform random security checks of my house or face expulsion.

Yeah, it sucks, but the courts agree that the school is doing you a favor since it's their party and their equipment your using.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:56 AM   #8
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OK...well lockers are school property, but bookbags? We buy the bookbags, we bring the bookbags, and we take the bookbags home with our homework. If kids really want to bring weed/guns that bad, they'd stash it in their pants or in their coat pockets. That's most likely how the kids responsible for Columbine brought guns in, and the occasional kids smoking weed in my school's bathroom bring weed that way. However, the following type of case may happen: I might have some pornography in my bag, that I got from a friend of mine, and was going to take home at the end of the day. If security saw it, they'd confiscate it, jerk off to it while they're on break, and then report it to the teachers and have me suspended...you know how school is.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:00 AM   #9
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How often do they search them?
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:03 AM   #10
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It's probably more justifiable in America, where you have things like high school shootings to worry about. Over here, all they'd really have found was cigarettes and weed, maybe something harder of the kid's a REAL reb... but nothing dangerous to others. I would have been opposed if you'd asked me back then because I usually had something to hide, but nothing dangerous; just standard, run-of-the-mill teen paraphernalia. Basically, nothing that's any of their business or gives them a good reason to MAKE it their business.
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Old 03-09-2006, 12:12 PM   #11
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Sternn... I still don't think you answered EPS' question on WHY you have been in so much shit in MANY different countries...
Yeah, that was over here;

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showth...?t=1138&page=3

This was the specific post if Sternn is too spent to scroll up to find my post.

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showpo...&postcount=139

He has a wee bit of a habit of ignoring questions that we ask him.

Which is frustrating, because he tends to make statements that would make ANYONE ask for some sort of corroboration of fact, but then he never returns to the topic or the questions asked of him.

Not my favorite aspect of his personality to say the least.

One would assume that he doesn't mind talking about it, since HE is the one that brought it up.

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Having been in multiple prisons in multiple countries, I can give you first hand experience information.
So where is all this "First Hand Experience" Information?

*thumps Sternn*
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Old 03-09-2006, 12:38 PM   #12
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Thanks EPS!

I still don't think that is a sufficient answer on his part... but that's me.
No, no.. That wasn't the answer to my question..

That's his second remark on the same subject, which prompted my second round of unanswered questions to Sternn.

So he has yet to answer either inquiry..

*sporks eyeball*
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Old 03-09-2006, 12:59 PM   #13
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I would be more open to talking about if there weren't a few mitgating factors here...

1. The /boards directory of Gothic.Net needs a listing in the robots.txt as everything I say comes back in Google when you do a search of the word 'sternn'. So I'm not trying to broadcast certain information to the world through Google. In fact it would be nice if moderators requested we remove the boards from the Google spiders via the robots.txt.

2. I still have cases pending. And as mentioned, this is getting broadcasted daily through Google, and I already have a fan club that tracks my posts, watches my replies, and reads me emails, so I'm not trying to give them anything they could use as a proverbial cudgel.



Lets just say this...

As mentioned before, I was booted from the military because of certain actions, and those actions later had a bearing on the aformentioned incidents at the university.

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Old 03-09-2006, 01:03 PM   #14
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Also on topic, the high I went to in the states had a policy to search cars, a policy which stood up in court, as I know because my car was searched, an empty beer can was found, they feckin' finger printed it, I'm not making this up, and then gave me 2 weeks detention PLUS brought in the police, had me arrested, and I ended up in feckin' monthly NARCA-NON meetings, court ordered, plus they took my license for 6 months.

True storey. Unrelated to all previous incidents, this was when I was like 16. But yeah, they can search your car, bookbag, anything ON their property as well as it's legal for the same reasons they can search your person and property when you enter a courthouse - all government owned and you have no rights to anything in their buildings.
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:40 PM   #15
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I would be more open to talking about if there weren't a few mitgating factors here...

1. The /boards directory of Gothic.Net needs a listing in the robots.txt as everything I say comes back in Google when you do a search of the word 'sternn'. So I'm not trying to broadcast certain information to the world through Google.

In fact it would be nice if moderators requested we remove the boards from the Google spiders via the robots.txt.


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Could you explain the part I highlighted? I've been wondering how to keep myself from showing up in google searches with my information here.

How do we prevent that or stop that from happening?
I don't like it either for personal reasons.

I can understand you not wanting to discuss pending cases..
Care to discuss any closed ones?
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Old 03-09-2006, 07:39 PM   #16
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I have nothing to add to this, but....

I think my whole highschool erupted with laughter when the school decided to have a lockdown with drug-sniffing dogs and didn't find ANY drugs... in a school where I bet 60% of the kids do some sort of drug.
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:44 AM   #17
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EPS -

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http://www.google.com/webmasters/remove.html
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:45 AM   #18
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when you're on school property, anything you bring with you or carry on you is subject to searches, including your clothing. i had friends in high school that were strip-searched in the administrator's offices. it didn't happen often but it did happen - and i believe there were police involved, not sure as I wasn't actually present for the searches - they tried keeping it rather private for the students. And this was years before Columbine.

A lot of places of employment reserve the right to search your vehicle if it's parked on their property too. Though I'm sure this varies in legalities from state to state, county to county, etc. My brother had an issue with this at his job just last year. It wasn't his car they were searching though.
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Old 03-10-2006, 04:04 PM   #19
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I went back to visit my Psychology and German teachers and my school district actually has it's own Police Department. We'd always had locker searches but usually after false bomb threats. Never turned up any bombs, but a few firearms and quite a stash of narcotics.

But the most disconcerting part of high school is that when I pop out back for a smoke at work, I can see the damn thing. Makes me feel like I haven't gotten very far in life. <sigh> Woe is me, I've turned into a townie and I'm trying to date a local college girl.

So much for my world conquering genetic revolution.
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Old 03-13-2006, 06:21 AM   #20
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I don't see anything wrong with doing the checks randomly. But I carried my walkman in my bookbag and wouldn't have wanted them to confiscate it.

I also carried a pack of Marlboro Reds in my flannel pocket, but not one teacher ever sais anything to me about it. I remember my math teacher(in 7th grade) asking the class if anyone smoked. A grand total of two hands went up. Me and my friend. They really didn't care though, I never got searched.

As for Sternn, I think he gets away with whatever he's doing by batting his pretty blue eyes at the authorities. Then he runs while they're recovering their collective wits.
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Old 03-13-2006, 08:35 AM   #21
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*blush*

Thanx, but think again. I never realised how crazy searching procedures were in schools until I went to a school outside the states. Of course, there was reason for it, I mean, the high school I attended had armed guards, a parking lot surrounding by a 14 foot high fence with razor wire on top, and we had more than one shooting in the time I was there. I went to 2 different high schools in the same district (another long storey), but the latter one wasn't as bad, but we did have a few shootings, fights daily, lads thrown through plate glass windows, and a gang fight in which riot police were called in to break up.

Irony is, even in Belfast we had relatively quite school days. Of course walking home through various neighborhoods (yeah, few disctricts with public bus systems cuz everything is so close) was a whole different storey...

Did I mention after I was arrested for the beer can I had to attened not only narca-non but weekly group meetings during my friday study hall with all the other people who had been arrested during the school year and watch feckin' after school special videos with the guidance counciler? It was a laugh. All the screw ups in one room watching videos on how some chick drinks a beer and her life goes to shite. The wholt time I'm like, ye know in Ireland the drinking age is 18 and they don't enforce it and most people go clubbin at age 16 and none of this ever happens. Yeah, the lads in the group loved me but the counciler was always trying to say 'thats over there, here it will ruin your life'. Never said why. I guess american teens are somehow not immune to the effects of alcohol like irish teens (sarcasm. *cough*).
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Old 03-17-2006, 09:41 PM   #22
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one thing to think about here is how this conditions a new generation to think about intrusions and abuses of authority. So yeah, they search your locker, car, personal backpack, clothing , walk you through metal detectors, etc. If you become used to this as an everyday part of life from five to eighteen, how are you supposed to have any background to fight illegal search and seizure, or respect any personal right to privacy? As a mass culture, we need to think about how this will affect our thinking in another fifty years. We are treating people like criminals merely because they are young, and try to pass i9t off as some sort of "protection". Kids aren't any dumber or smarter than the rest of us. If they want to get around the rules, they will find a way. if they want to smoke, drink, or carry a gun, they will. They only way they won't is if they have beentaught or shown why not to. In the mean time, all the others will have been trained by society to allow their government to intrude on their privacy, and limit their freedom. Its the same thing happening on our streets, with cameras installed on the corners, hoping to catch criminals in the act. Some false protection is set up to watch all of us. It won't prevent the crime from happening, it will just change its' appearance.
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Old 03-22-2006, 10:04 PM   #23
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What I propose is parents being held responsible for their children. If a parent feels a school is unsafe, put your kid in a different school. If the kid brings a gun to school, or is threatening other students, or uses or distributed drugs, or alcohol, or anything else fucked up, you KICK THAT KID OUT FOR A WHILE, to safeguard the rest. That kid needs to be held responsible for his actions, and his or her parents need to be held responsible for that childs training.

It is not the responsibility of government to educate children. It is the responsiblity of parents. It is not up to schools to raise children, or babysit them, it is a parents' job to teach and care for them.

Please do not get the idea that I think schools are a bad idea. They are a good one. But I think our modern day view of schools' place in a childs' life is somewhat skewed. Parents should be the driving force behind a kids' rearing, taking into consideration that childs specific talents or stumbling blocks, as opposed to a cookic cutter, government designed, brainwashing exercise.


And I never said guns in school is something that needs helping. It does need to be eleiminated, desperately. I never listened to assemblies is school, and D.A.R.E. doesn't work either, at least not after about age six. Again, it comes down to the adults in a childs life being the role models and instructors.

If people get used to it at a young age now, when the cops want to do a search of your home without cause, or confiscate your vehicle without a warrant, or read every single message ever sent on your computer, or read your mail, or listen to your phone calls, people won't be as likely to object. It is true the government can pretty much already do those things, but at least their is some level of public outcry when it happens.


What I was trying to bring attention to was the overall cultural effect of allowing searches of personal property at such a young age. It is just one more step to an ever increasing level of control on peoples lives. Sure, it doesn't seem like such a big deal right now, it is only to protect people. But how much of our personal freedoms are we willing to sacrifice for some false sense of safety? It all seems like a good idea, until things that shouldn't be controlled in a persons' life become illegal.
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:40 AM   #24
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Xng - you will never elimiate violence as long as you live in a culture that legalises shoot first policies along side of federal pre-emptive strike policies.

Telling the citizens of a nation that has such laws to not carry weapons as its bad is like Anhesuer Busch, Phillip Morris, and Mersch telling people not to take drugs. Oh wait... (yeah, ever seen the list of members of the Partnership for a Drug free America who pays for all those 'this is your brain on drugs' and other ads)

Can't be done until you eliminate the mentality. And with that mentality going all the way to the white house and the white house having deep roots in religion, there is no where a child can look without seeing gun violence in america. With 1 in 5 of all americans either in prison or having been to prison, and that number increasing exponetially every year, it shows this is a trend thats not changing either.

Em - Yer spot on. I can't even add to that cuz that was what i was going to say.
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Violence is not in the weapon. It is in the person. You can use anything as a weapon, hell, you can kill someone with a plastic spoon, or a toothbrush, or a ball point pen, or your bare hands.

And OF COURSE fireearms do no belong in a school environment. Period. Although, my highschool had a .22 rifle team/club, and I learned some valuable lessons from it. I realize this only works in rural areas, but it was of benefit for those involved.
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