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Old 01-25-2006, 02:53 AM   #26
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Using unnatural means to prolong to life of an individual, or to at least make it "comfortable" as possible, and then letting nature take its course?

Seems a bit silly to me.
That's rather narrow. Most medicine is unnatural. In fact unless you're chewing on berries and twigs to heal your woes, any time you go to a doctor for anything more than a massage, he's going to use some sort of unnatural means to cure or help with whatever ailment you have. I've never heard of prozac trees or chemo berry bushes. *smirk*

Its always been my understanding that evangelicals are the more devout who take the bible word for word and condem anything that deters from its teachings even slightly. While protestants are the more liberal ones, tho still rather devout. But a little research on the two doesn't seem to really make much distinction between them.
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Old 01-25-2006, 04:38 AM   #27
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Actually,most medicines have a basis in the biologicalworld. After all, asprin is just a manufactured form of a chemical found in some kind of tree bark, and there are some plants that have viagra like effects, if not as potent.

But that's moot, because you can choose whether or not you take NyQuil. However, if you're gonna die in a horrible, and extremely slow way, the government is trying to make it so that you can't choose to take something that will end your life in a quick and relativly painless way.

Now, I don't wanna be unplugged if I might come back in a somewhat stable mental condition. But if there's no hope of my waking up and being alive, then I don't want my body being forced to keep going. I don't want others to decide if I live or die.

However, the rub in Terri's case was that she left no real indicaiton of what she wanted. The government wanted her alive, and so did her family, but we have no idea what she wanted. So, in some aspects, the point is to make your wishes known, and hope the government doesn't have a judicial hearing that denies them while you're out.
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Old 01-26-2006, 02:43 AM   #28
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Evangelism is 'spreading the word'.

Probably what you're looking for is Fundamentalism.
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Old 02-09-2006, 07:25 AM   #29
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So the question is, people who defend the right to die, do they support this...

http://news.**********/s/nm/20060209/...ltBHNlYwM3MTY-
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Old 02-10-2006, 09:03 AM   #30
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Fuck 'em.

If they want to wither away to dust and die, that's their problem. I won't be wasting my time force-feeding their asses.
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Old 02-11-2006, 07:44 AM   #31
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So the question is, people who defend the right to die, do they support this...

http://news.**********/s/nm/20060209/...ltBHNlYwM3MTY-
i don't support it here on our own soil and i don't support it there. in fact, i'll take it a step further and say we're taking away their right to practice that one facet of their religion as they see fit. i'm absolutely pro-hunger-strike for each and every one of those detainees. in fact, i'd encourage it, in the name of allah, for the whole of them. just think - if they all went on a hunger strike and eventually died as a result, there'd be no more of 'em to whine and complain about how they're being treated. it's win-win.

when i worked in the prison, prisoners would often start a hunger strike for whatever reason, believing the system would bow to whatever ridiculous demand they had as a result. if it had been left up to me, i'd have let them starve to death. hell, if their conviction mandates that that's what they had to do - who am i to force them to do otherwise? but no, the powers that be force them to undergo iv sustenance. i think it's bullshit, but to broaden the perspective, no one viable is allowed to die without intervention once their plight is brought before society's eyes.

on the other hand, look how well america is able to "cure" those who would otherwise off themselves. from 84 cases down to 4 with one mandate? that's a fuckin' awesome statistic.
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Old 02-14-2006, 03:15 AM   #32
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You have a point.

US Prison Camps 1
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Much like the police in Ohio who shot the teen who had a gun to his head and was threatening to kill himself.

Teen Suicide 0
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Old 02-14-2006, 10:09 AM   #33
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as far as human rights go - if a human wants to starve himself to death, do you feel he should NOT have the right to do so? i say he does.

you support the right to interfere? in that case, you would agree with the military's stance and the action taken, which is odd coming from you.

and that kid - apparently he wanted to die. the alternative would have been for him to be taken to the hospital where they would have forced him to live, which is the standard here in the states. i'm one of those people he would have come to see after they'd disarmed him - something that happens more than you could imagine. i don't know what case you're referring to, by the way.

and an aside - death by cop is on the rise. people who can't pull the trigger themselves are turning to the police more and more in an attempt to get the job done.
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:05 PM   #34
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Actually I was refering to the fact that the cure is worse than the cause.

'Fixing' your suicide statistic by executing little boys (or anyone else) before they have a chance to off themselves is not really a fix.
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:09 PM   #35
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'Fixing' your suicide statistic by executing little boys (or anyone else) before they have a chance to off themselves is not really a fix.
who's "fixing" the statistic? kids and adults set out with a weapon, a gun being the most effective, to draw the police into their suicide plan, mainly because they can't pull the trigger on themself. at some point, they start to threaten the police and they're fired upon, usually killing them which was the plan they had in mind all along.

that's a statistic in and of itself, not a fix. people have been using the police to do what they can't do to themselves.
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Old 02-17-2006, 12:00 PM   #36
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You know who I feel bad for?

The Cops that have to shoot some coward waving a gun at them. Cops don't want to shoot those people. When they kill someone that memory is with them forever, they don't want that.
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very true. i've had to counsel cops before who have been drawn someone's suicide plan. despite the fact it becomes a 'fire or be fired upon' scenario, it ain't pretty for them to deal with afterward.
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