Emo and teenagers(in england that is) - Page 5

Godslayer Jillian · 11-23-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Splintered

So, from your experience, you might meet three people in a row, who fall under some classification, and they are just plain assholes to you. Yet, person four, may be very nice to you, and open minded to what you believe as well.

Yes. And to me, he would be a statistical anomaly.
Generalizations are not flawless, but they're helpful. All of our decisions are based on estimated premature guesses of the outcome you can think on the options you have.

cradle · 11-23-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by natharliak

i agree that 'emo's are gay and they all should be shot because there try hards.... but let them be and get a group of your friends(goths) and bash the emos/emoes.?? just a thourt...

I feel sorry for myself fo even understandng this...
Oh and I think that YOU should be shot...just a thourt...

Crying_Crimson_Tears · 11-23-2006, 04:10 PM

Every sterotype gets hated by other sterotypes. It's the way things work. We just need to mind to ourselves and try not to let their annoyances get to us.

Oh, and natharliak, you're the one who needs to be shot for that statement. The word would not be gay, it would be stupid if you are to choose something. Using gay is like saying every gay person is emo or vice versa. Not cool man, not cool.

Splintered · 11-23-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Yes. And to me, he would be a statistical anomaly.
Generalizations are not flawless, but they're helpful. All of our decisions are based on estimated premature guesses of the outcome you can think on the options you have.

Yes, but I disagree that they're anything worth pursuing, or being proud of. I can only see it as being harmful, preventing yourself from exploring different aspects. In my opinion, there are just too many variables to define people by the group that they are placed in.

DarkHeartedDemoness · 11-24-2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Crying_Crimson_Tears

Using gay is like saying every gay person is emo or vice versa. Not cool man, not cool.

Actually, I think of it more like this:

If you are using "gay" to mean "stupid", that's to imply that they are synonymous, yes? So if "gay" means "stupid", and I'm a man that likes men (therefore "gay"), I am automatically stupid?

On the other hand, if all that you're saying is "emo's are gay", (I'll try not to comment on "emo is are gay" not being grammatically correct), you're simply stating that emo kids are all homosexual. Since your intent was to insult, that doesn't make sense. How is "emo people have a sexual preference that is different than my own" an insult? And how can you generalize that?

If you want to insult someone, at least use an insult that makes sense.

raggedyanne · 11-30-2006, 04:33 PM

emo is considered a variation of goth, alt least it is in california. I myself dont like the connotations of "emo" but the pants ar so comfy, and I like slipknot, so what!? But some people call me emo and they usually get punched for it. I'm sorry if they don't recognize a goth without black lipstick, they can take that up with my mom!

raggedyanne · 11-30-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Splintered

Yet, this hopes that there's a correlation.
If off the bat, you can't get a good on average "Person likes Iron Maiden, they like all the others", then it falls.

Yet, he may vehemently hate one of the other bands. So, does that qualify them as a metalhead?

Yet, he or she may consider themselves to be some offshoot of punk, or go under a different name. They might disdain the name punk altogether, and go into a different categorization.

For instance, someone may have limited experience with the differences between "Punk", "Goth", and "Emo". So, they might look at someone dressed like what you described, and immediately go "Goth", instead of punk. They are still generalizing, but according to you, would be incorrect.

But how can this be applied? There would be too many variables to the way they could act, to accurately predict how they might recieve any type of stimuli. So, from your experience, you might meet three people in a row, who fall under some classification, and they are just plain assholes to you. Yet, person four, may be very nice to you, and open minded to what you believe as well.

This is awsome! Y'know, someone might also change preferences at to what they want to be called. Some days I feel more goth than emo, others I feel like a total punk, and other days I just wanna crawl under my desk and slit my wrist, but I won't, buz that's stupid

Godslayer Jillian · 11-30-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by raggedyanne

buz that's stupid

What? That you want to cut your veins?
Yes it is.

maggot · 11-30-2006, 07:59 PM

Both emo and goth evolved out of punk, not emo evolved out of goth which came from punk. o_o

It's like humans and neanderthals. We're sister creatures, not direct blood-line descendents of eachother.

Rizash · 11-30-2006, 11:00 PM

I had made a post, but I'm not sure if I didnt submit, or if an admin deleted? lol.... All I said was I dont like the Emo look, it reminds me of elton john.... But then again.... girls love elton so.... *ponders* Aww hell... I just dont want to be called emo since I concider emo a femenine style.... or less masculine, rather.... (hell I'm 6' 240 (and although not in great shape(yet) I'm not fat... so if someone called me femenine I'd get a little upset) no no no! That just reminded me of the most disturbing thing I've ever seen and now I have to share it with you all!

A few years back I was at an anime convention... I was talking with one of the event security people (big con) we were talking about the econemy, NAFTA, stuff like that.... Turns out we were just outside the room they were setting up for "the den of sin" a 21+ uhh... well... event with naughty vids playing and stripper bunny girls....(let me say.. not all stripper girls are bad at conversations about world affairs) (no, I didnt go in, its a room with 50+ overweight sweaty guys in costume and 3 or 4 girls who are just there for the attention -- read on for more "ick factor" about the male majority)
ANYWAY.... so people start lining up for the den of sin and I have no clue what the heck is going on... everyone that lines up is in a toga or weird off the wall costume.... Turns out the rules to get in were that you had to either be wearing a toga or a hentai costume.... Well, aside from weird dudes in togas.... this one guy walks up carrying a styrofoam cooler (that he drops and breaks making a scene as his beer/booze/ice spill onto the carpet) anyway... thats when I noticed the dude was in a maids uniform.... I swear.... if I ever see that again.... I think I'll just fall over dead.... 6'2 300+ LB guy in a freaking maids uniform *shivers* thats NOT cool..... LMFAO the "bunny girl" changed my mind about strippers though... (and how much of a geek am I to talk politics with a stripper?) though she was fully clothed (if you can call it clothing) so I guess she was just a "bunny girl" lol

Geisel · 12-01-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rizash

anyway... thats when I noticed the dude was in a maids uniform.... I swear.... if I ever see that again.... I think I'll just fall over dead.... 6'2 300+ LB guy in a freaking maids uniform *shivers* thats NOT cool.....

May I ask why? I mean, I have substantial objections to America's cultural attitude towards pornography and strippers, so I'm certainly not condoning that aspect of the convention, but if the guy wants to wear a maid costume, so what? Obviously, there's some aspect of the outfit from which he gets enjoyment. He's doing you no harm, so why begrudge him that?

DarkHeartedDemoness · 12-01-2006, 11:32 AM

Because Rizash is closed-minded and can't think of anything other than his own comfort. But he's not racist, he swears! >_<

Crying_Crimson_Tears · 12-01-2006, 01:47 PM

Uh huh, and I did not just post this comment.

Close minded people suck.

Rizash · 12-01-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkHeartedDemoness

Because Rizash is closed-minded and can't think of anything other than his own comfort. But he's not racist, he swears! >_<

I'm not racist.... (ok, what the hell did I do to deserve that remark?)
I'm not sexist (well, actually I am... I rather dislike guys because of how they have always acted towards me my entire life, hell, maybe thats part of my reaction)
I'm not anti gay or a homophobe... I'm not at ease around gays because I've only ever known a few.... you CANNOT be at ease around character types that are in strong contrast to your own if you are not used to them....
I'm not closed minded... the reason I am weirded out by this dude is simply for the fact that womens clothing really has a very strong connection to my feeling that women are damn near sacred. Its not like I was pissed, or that upset... it was just something that half makes you laugh half makes you question if you really saw it.... Its weird. Plus I have to admit... its one of those things I'll never get out of my head (its ironic at the same moment in time I have a stripper girl and an overweight maid costume dude burned into my memory....).

Please dont take me wrong. Nobody can tell my weird sense of humor/satire.... I confuse people all the time. Sometimes I say things in text that are just missing emphasis (I'm one of those people posting to 4 forums at once, listening to music, and playing a game at the same time, so its not exactly easy to define a border between humor and boring stuff....

At any rate, lmfao... I was kidding

You guys took me too seriously (I intentionally over-analysed your rather harsh remark towards me and made a similar "too harsh" reaction just so you know how it feels

I hate it when people take things out of context. Sheesh... On a side note, the only thing in this post that can be taken seriously is the fact that most of my friends (including the ones that were at the con) are homophobes.... I told them the story and they were weirded out. I forget you guys are more accepting.... lol The Japanese dude that I was talking to and I both actually got quite a chuckle out of it....

Rizash · 12-01-2006, 09:16 PM

RE: BTW: I AM NOT racist.... In fact I avoid people who are, just as I avoid people who are religious freaks (non flexable), people who chronically break laws, or people with drug/other issues. I've seen too many problems like that... and I dont know how to deal with them. For someone who does not know me to call me a racist is simply as bad if not worse than calling someone a derogatory racial slur.... Hell I work hard to be an accepting person so it probably hurts WORSE.

-- This was what I originally tried to post in response.... it just didnt go through... -- BTW: I dont take personal attacks with no base well....

knightmare · 12-01-2006, 10:06 PM

The thing that bothers me the most is self-hurt. I think it is innately selfish just like suicide, since cutters disregard the hurt of their loved ones and friends. In my opinion, they only care about themselves. If they see the suffering of others in the world (like the persons in the Middle East), they wouldn't take life for granted. Also, I don't see anything goth or emo in this practice since goths and even emos express their emotions and pain through their music and literature.
Also, I think most people are racist to some degree, either through blatant actions of racism or inaction against the injustices of racism. People can say that they are not racist since they view them as equals, yet they do not act against the injustices being committed against them by blatant racists. Racism is not only active, it's passive.
Surely, if they viewed them as true equals, they would stand up for their rights. Also, most people are subtle racists. They simply just hide their racism due to the phenomenon of political correctness (just watch Borat to see this).
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To do is to be - Sartre

Do be do be do - Frank Sinatra

Rizash · 12-03-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by knightmare

The thing that bothers me the most is self-hurt. I think it is innately selfish just like suicide, since cutters disregard the hurt of their loved ones and friends. In my opinion, they only care about themselves. If they see the suffering of others in the world (like the persons in the Middle East), they wouldn't take life for granted. Also, I don't see anything goth or emo in this practice since goths and even emos express their emotions and pain through their music and literature.
Also, I think most people are racist to some degree, either through blatant actions of racism or inaction against the injustices of racism. People can say that they are not racist since they view them as equals, yet they do not act against the injustices being committed against them by blatant racists. Racism is not only active, it's passive.
Surely, if they viewed them as true equals, they would stand up for their rights. Also, most people are subtle racists. They simply just hide their racism due to the phenomenon of political correctness (just watch Borat to see this).
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To be is to do - Socrates

To do is to be - Sartre

Do be do be do - Frank Sinatra

-- some are simply unable to act against injustices due to the hardships it would cause themselves.... I fit into this catagory... and though I dont concider it racism... I concider it worse... its the trait I hate most about myself... a complete and total lack of self confidence. I know I am different in text but in person I am really lacking in self confidnce... I have a good sense of humor yet rarely ever say anything humorous. I am far closer to my parrents than the average person... yet I cannot even look my parrents in the eye, I'm that lacking in self confidence. The racism posts did wake me up to the fact that I should actually seek out more different friends. My friends have always been unique... and I'd never trade any of my friends for anything.... though they've all moved out of town now... I'm still trying to stay in touch with them.... but it is time for me to start making more unique friends. I think the friends I have had have made up for my lack of self expression in the past, but it really is time for me to actually express myself... AND have friends that express themselves.

Rizash · 12-03-2006, 12:20 AM

PS: the self hurt thing is MOSTLY steriotype (I'm assuming that) but self harm is common in any group of people....

Pyre · 12-03-2006, 12:29 AM

Just to make a statement pertaining to Rizash and those of you flaming his comments about homosexuals, one doesn't have to be close-minded to dislike homosexuals, or anything for that matter. He has opened his mind to it and simply doesn't like it. I know for a fact that most of you find things that you don't like, regardless how open minded you are, and you're going to end up being called close-minded by others just for disliking ONE thing.

Anyway, continue on about your other silly conversation.

Rizash · 12-03-2006, 04:37 AM

I'm not closed minded towards homosexuals... I'm just not quite at ease with them... and again... thats more because of social norms/comfort zone than anything. I'm not the one who made a gay reference to Emos.... the elton john reference was refering to image. And for the record a femenine look for a guy can actually really get the attention of women.... lots of "pretty boys" are rather andro.... Its just the fact that its middle school kids that are dressing like that thats a bit weird. Not saying its bad... God you people just dont understand....

Rizash · 12-03-2006, 04:39 AM

And for the record... the dude in the maids costume did it for attention and for attention only.... thats just weird... it was more "yuck" factor than anything. (like the women here have never said "yuck" to themselves about a guy in NORMAL clothing before?) please re-read my darn posts if you're confused.....

Pyre · 12-03-2006, 08:26 AM

I didn't say you were close-minded toward them. Reread my post, I stated exactly what you just stated.

DarkHeartedDemoness · 12-03-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyre

Just to make a statement pertaining to Rizash and those of you flaming his comments about homosexuals, one doesn't have to be close-minded to dislike homosexuals, or anything for that matter. He has opened his mind to it and simply doesn't like it. I know for a fact that most of you find things that you don't like, regardless how open minded you are, and you're going to end up being called close-minded by others just for disliking ONE thing.

Anyway, continue on about your other silly conversation.

I'm cool with that... But I am done with this forum. This is my official goodbye.

It's been fun!

Rizash · 12-03-2006, 03:08 PM

**would just assume this forum be closed/shuffled into the deck so no one sees it again**

Pyre · 12-03-2006, 03:24 PM

LOLBUMPFORWIN

Oh, what was that, Rizash?