Help Me My youngest has Discovered Lol ita

[Wormboy]

Originally Posted by Megansmom

For those of you who don't know my Mom says I can post my own questions and answers but I have to use her account. Screening and all that, " teenagers don't need as much privacy as they think they do." her words exactly.

Your mother is a twat. Guess what, teenagers need more privacy than you think they do. If you want to know anything about a teen, you have to build up enough trust with them to talk to them and have them tell you things. If you force your teen not to have privacy you're a parental dictator. Furthermore, the more rules you set the more you build up the forbidden attraction between your teen and the things you're trying to keep them from. Resistance breeds resistance, understanding breeds understanding. Ruling with an iron fist ends up with you being punched.

[Megansmom]

Actually privacy is a responsibility that is earned. The more trustworthy and mature one acts the more privacy they earn.
Since you are a teenager yourself, you probably don't understand the concept of a parent protecting their child. With all the online predators out there you think I shouldn't watch what she does? What about all the things that are easily accessible like ,oh porn for example that a 15 year old of either gender shouldn't see ?
She has some privacy. I don't go into her room and search it and won't as long as I don't have cause, her Journal is off limits and she has her own cell phone. That is more than some kids have and less than others.
Calling people a twat does nothing to make yourself look smart or even likable. You won't get your point across because you'll just piss people off to the point they won't hear anything you have to say. Also, you just prove how immature you still are.

[Megansmom]

Originally Posted by Despanan

That's not Loligoth, that's Romantigoth. It's a much better look IMO.

I must say MegansMom'sDaughter your typing style bares a remarkable resemblance to your mom's typing style.

Probably just because you're family...

I did try to teach her how to type. Maybe she should take a typing or computer course in school because I took typing 3 times in college before I finally passed it.

[Fleur]

I'm taking a typing course myself; it would do her good.

[Miss Cogs]

Originally Posted by Megansmom

Actually privacy is a responsibility that is earned. The more trustworthy and mature one acts the more privacy they earn.
Since you are a teenager yourself, you probably don't understand the concept of a parent protecting their child. With all the online predators out there you think I shouldn't watch what she does? What about all the things that are easily accessible like ,oh porn for example that a 15 year old of either gender shouldn't see ?
She has some privacy. I don't go into her room and search it and won't as long as I don't have cause, her Journal is off limits and she has her own cell phone. That is more than some kids have and less than others.
Calling people a twat does nothing to make yourself look smart or even likable. You won't get your point across because you'll just piss people off to the point they won't hear anything you have to say. Also, you just prove how immature you still are.

Your daughter came off as if she had no privacy at all. That is probably why he responded the way he did. Prehaps you should tell your daughter why she needs to earn her privacy and allow her to understand the concepts of your reasoning and prehaps next time that mistake will not happen again. Also, if you truly used the wording your daughter did, then prehaps you should choose how you say something like that differently, less you come off as a controlling, obessive parent about your daughter's privacy abd possibly prehaps, she'll not come to think she has no privacy at all if you choose to word your sentences differently as well.

[Fleur]

If my mom were as controlling as she is, I don't think I could take it.
Je partirais.

[Bete Noire]

Originally Posted by Megansmom

Actually privacy is a responsibility that is earned. The more trustworthy and mature one acts the more privacy they earn.
Since you are a teenager yourself, you probably don't understand the concept of a parent protecting their child. With all the online predators out there you think I shouldn't watch what she does? What about all the things that are easily accessible like ,oh porn for example that a 15 year old of either gender shouldn't see ?
She has some privacy. I don't go into her room and search it and won't as long as I don't have cause, her Journal is off limits and she has her own cell phone. That is more than some kids have and less than others.
Calling people a twat does nothing to make yourself look smart or even likable. You won't get your point across because you'll just piss people off to the point they won't hear anything you have to say. Also, you just prove how immature you still are.

Privacy is not something to be earned. I spoke to my parents and they think you have it rather backwards.

They say that a parent should earn the trust of a child, and that if your child won't open up to you it's your fault. And yours alone.

Privacy is something necessary. And with porn, it's a bit better for educating a child about those activities than the hideously awkward parental chat. At least it's not censored to make it more acceptable etc. Sure, there's some odd stuff out there, but better she learns about it than is miserably ignorant til she's 18.

And on the subject of loligoth, I say let her dress how she wants.

Give her her own account, letting her use yours is hardly the same thing.

And surely you'd be able to recognise your daughters writing style/ particular phrases etc. Not to mention her intro would be rather a giveaway.

[Raptor]

I had a friend whos mother gave him no privacy, to the point of opening his mail before him.
He lives in Austraila now.

On topic. Surely it's important how people in general view the fashion? It's easy to see the number of people here who think it's sexual. So even if it is innocent, thats not how it's viewed.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by Solumina

That was in reference to your mention of the excessive cost, as it is fairly inexpensive to make your own loli clothing

I understood her completely.
What I meant was: that is another side to it. If that side doesn't apply, fine, but it is another side.

[Lolly PopMuzik]

I wonder if the girl realizes that loli fashion is also far more conformist and strict than trad/romantic goth fashion could ever hope to be...Sorry, I forgot to bring that bit up yesterday.

(That's more than likely why we don't see the ero/Chinese and traditional Japanese/punk/guro-loli styles much anymore, they either got pressured to be into the dominant styles or moved on)

[Rosie]

Originally Posted by Solumina

damn it that site made rice fly out of my nose, which is a really odd, painful experience, thanks a lot

Oh and really everyone just ignore Rosie, she does this shit on a somewhat regular basis, then says how much she hates everyone here, how much we suck, and how we don't know anything, yet she stays which leads me to think that A) she is a troll and we should ignore her, B) she is a pathetic excuse for a human being and does not deserve any attention, or C) both A and B

That's because you pull the same shit EVERY TIME. It was bad enough when you were supporting the previous mass cleanout of decent members because of the MY BOARD MY CLAUSE, it's even worse when you have a completely and utterly blatantly incorrect viewpoint, and call me "delusional" for not conforming to it. If you'd stop being so blatantly stupid I might be a little more respectful, or if you could at least NOT be smug about it.

and claim that it's a term like "Goth" that's evolved I'm going to call you a foolish. If

I AM A FOOLISH!

Goth has no connection with the older meaning of Ostrogoth, Visigoth. ****** has nothing to do with japanese ******. You're clinging to what little knowledge you do have and won't let it go.

you're actually going to insist that a when a sexually provocative style of dress named after a word for nymphet worn

It is NOT sexually. We've bene through this and it's been debunked at least once and you act like it's fact when you have NO evidence to support your view.

THIS is why I'm being combatitive. If you provide clear evidence and don't act smug about it, then I'm not going to have a chance to be aggressive. But you don't. You say "Them's de facts, suck it" when it clearly isn't.

And once again you're being a bunch of Circlejerks. Most of you in this thread are just acting like it's a gospel truth because a couple of other members you semi-respect said so.

You have to stop doing this. You have to think for yourselfs for once. I'm aggressive and disrespectful because you come off as a group of pedantic children.

Another problem with this that Jillian has been trying to point out is that lo.lita style is extremely expensive and self-indulgent. Maybe that's fine with this woman, maybe it's not, but she would be wise to consider if she wants to teach her daughter to spend hundreds of dollars on a single outfit instead of using the money for something more useful or helpful to others.

****** doesn't have to be expensive - if you look and shop around, it's possible to get fairly unqiue items for less than the more generic ones would cost - that's the beauty of internet shopping. It's no different from any other style of semi- elaborate dress.

Didn't she ask for patterns and stuff?

Also, this.

Since you are a teenager yourself, you probably don't understand the concept of a parent protecting their child.

We do. Since you're a parent, your point of view is skewed too. You are not protecting her. You are causing her harm by being overprotective. Do you not understand this concept? Why is it that other girls get on fine without an overbearing mother like this? Do you think it's in any normal? You're embarrassing her and harming her development.

Who is there to protect her from your selfishness? Like it or not, a lot of the reason you care for your children is instinct. It's just the same as with guys getting testosterone kicks - it feels good to fulfill those instincts. You are being selfish because you're drawing a good, secure feeling by destroying the feeling of another.

This is very wrong.

[Rosie]

I wonder if the girl realizes that loli fashion is also far more conformist and strict than trad/romantic goth fashion could ever hope to be...Sorry, I forgot to bring that bit up yesterday.

It's not. For a start, ****** has more colours. If you keep looking at the "popular" image of Goth Loli, then you're only going to see the same things again.

It doesn't matter if it's "restrictive" if it's already something you genuinely like, because you can always wear something that's not Loli anyway. I mean, if you have your own personal , set style, that's "restrictive", but it doesn't matter since you're bringing those restrictions on yourself, you're excercising your freedom, not working against it.

Plus, have you ever seen Viona art? Check it out sometime. It has a lot of ****** influenced clothing(mostly worn by older girls) that is very diverse.

[moonlightrose]

If the L.olita wearer strays away from the Ero-loli style, then they won’t attract many pedos. I like the EGL style, which is mostly knee length skirts and high neck blouses, which to me is quite conservative. I think the dresses are beautiful, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t wear them because they are too expensive and I’m still a beginner sewer, but I admire the EGL fashion. Check out this site:

http://community.***********.com/egl/

[Apathy's_Child]

Originally Posted by Megansmom

Actually privacy is a responsibility that is earned. The more trustworthy and mature one acts the more privacy they earn.
Since you are a teenager yourself, you probably don't understand the concept of a parent protecting their child. With all the online predators out there you think I shouldn't watch what she does? What about all the things that are easily accessible like ,oh porn for example that a 15 year old of either gender shouldn't see ?

I'd get that if she was 10, 12........ but she's 15. She's not a child anymore, and I would hope that at her age she wouldn't be stupid enough to let herself get taken in by a predator. The rules are pretty basic: don't meet people you only know online without several people you know and trust present (which could include yourself if you, understandably, wanted to make 100% sure she's safe). If you use a little common sense, the internet is not dangerous.

As for the porn thing, I really don't think it does teenagers any harm. This may not be a popular position, but I have no problem with even young kids watching porn (usually out of curiosity or because they find the terrible scripts hilarious - pretty harmless stuff, and far less "inappropriate" IMO than shows which glamorize violence). Most kids have seen sex scenes in movies by the time they're a teenager, and a porno isn't that different (the music and acting are worse, and you see more genitals, but shit - the sight of a huge purple throbbing penis ain't gonna do much more than make her eyes widen for a second - and that's if she's real innocent). Unless the human body is viewed as something disgusting, there's no reason to suspect that "accidentally" (wink, wink) stumbling across a pornographic image would have any adverse effects on her.

Also, I REALLY don't get why you won't let her use her own account. I mean, you can check her posts anytime you want - it's a public message board.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by moonlightrose

If the L.olita wearer strays away from the Ero-loli style, then they won’t attract many pedos.

It only takes one.

[Wednesday Friday Addams]

Pedobear states that he goes for little girls under the age of 15 regardless of what they are wearing.

[Wormboy]

Originally Posted by Megansmom

Actually privacy is a responsibility that is earned. The more trustworthy and mature one acts the more privacy they earn.
Since you are a teenager yourself, you probably don't understand the concept of a parent protecting their child. With all the online predators out there you think I shouldn't watch what she does? What about all the things that are easily accessible like ,oh porn for example that a 15 year old of either gender shouldn't see ?
She has some privacy. I don't go into her room and search it and won't as long as I don't have cause, her Journal is off limits and she has her own cell phone. That is more than some kids have and less than others.
Calling people a twat does nothing to make yourself look smart or even likable. You won't get your point across because you'll just piss people off to the point they won't hear anything you have to say. Also, you just prove how immature you still are.

I'm going out on a limb, you're a Christian right?

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by Wormboy

I'm going out on a limb, you're a Christian right?

That's irrelevant and uncalled for.

[Miss Cogs]

Originally Posted by Wednesday Friday Addams

Pedobear states that he goes for little girls under the age of 15 regardless of what they are wearing.

Yeah...I was just about to say..anything can attract a pedo.

[MotherofMercies]

Just a question.

Is anyone questioning her parenting skills because they're parents?

[Rosie]

Originally Posted by MotherofMercies

Just a question.

Is anyone questioning her parenting skills because they're parents?

Are you implying that if they aren't, they have no right to question her? Or the opposite, looking for people who are most definitely in a qualified position to bolster the argument against her?

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by Rosie

Goth has no connection with the older meaning of Ostrogoth, Visigoth. ****** has nothing to do with japanese ******. You're clinging to what little knowledge you do have and won't let it go.

The term 'goth' as we use it today isn't entirely unrelated to german barbarians, actually. The word's etymology can be traced to them. The term 'gothic' was first used in the Renaissance to describe art and architecture of the late middle ages, which scholars of the period perceived as an 'attack' on the conventions of classical Greco-Roman design. 'Gothic' literature was so named for its setting, usually taking place in castles, cathedrals, abbeys and whatnot constructed in the forementioned Gothic style. Whoever first referred to early Gothic Rock as such may have been referencing the dark tone it shared with Gothic novels, or implying that the music subverted some establishment as did Gothic architecture-- we can't know for sure, but the point is that even 'goth', which has held various diverse meanings throughout history, remains tied to its roots. 'L-olita', a term which meant 'sexually active underage girl' and only ' evokes sexually active underage girl', to everyone, only decades ago, is far more indelibly linked to its original meaning.
On Long Island a few years ago, there was a case of a man whose underage mistress killed his wife. The media called the killer "The Long Island L-olita." No one was confused. L.olita is a fucking buzzword that denotes 'sexually active underage girl'. Do you honestly believe Gothic L-olita fashion is called that on accident? As if whoever invented the name thought to himself "L.olita is a pretty name for a fashion style... oh, some people think it means nymphet? Shit. Too late now"? If the style didn't evoke the character from Nabokov's novel, it wouldn't have the name it has. There are tons of less 'loaded' words that just mean 'little girl'.
I'm not saying this kid can't incorporate certain elements of ****** fashion into her wardrobe without being hounded by swarms of **********, just that one can't ignore the sexual undercurrent present in the style as a whole.

[Rosie]

I'm sorry, but you're a massive fucking idiot. You're not saying anything new, and the fact remains that just because it's called something DOESN'T MEAN it has relation to it. Most Japanese people do NOT speak english, and only pick up on a few keywords, often taking them out of contet.

If ****** was sexual, why does Ero-Loli exist? What's the point of this distinction?

You've no idea what you're talking about.

[ForgetThisLostLenore]

I don't know, he's not the one attacking people because their opinions differ. Also, he makes a valid point. You simply succeed in making yourself seem an overreactive dullard. The L.olita fashion is often worn by grown women who wear it in order to appear as young girls. I'm sure there is a connection, and the style itself does appear to have a sexual undertone. The women often offer themselves in these outfits as innocent young girls, and it can be seen as an appeal to the pedo in some older men.

You cannot mindlessly attack someone just because they have a different opinion and then have no way to back yourself up other than 'there's no connection because I said so!' Grow up.

And I have sufficiently fed the troll.

[Miss Cogs]

This thread has carried on do long that it's gotten pointless. -_-