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Old 03-27-2006, 09:33 AM   #26
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Goddamn commies are responsible for everything. Don't drink the water or you might become a commie! Fuckers are the reason for pollution, the holes in the ozone, and every heart that was ever broken.

Fucking commies.
Hehehe! You funny, Xnguela. It's true, all the communists I know are poisoning, ozone-penetrating, heart-breaking sons of bitches...

No, I kid, I kid... The case is actually pretty much the complete opposite..

I admit, aesthetically, I have a kind of romantic view of communist Russia, East Berlin; the dreary winters, grand architecture, the iconography and fashion... But, self-evidently, looking at the horrible examples of communist rule and genocide is not romantic.

4myT: I am opposed to any ideological elitism, patriotism and theocracy. As I see it, communism, not in the sense of a totalitarian society, but with a Marxist approach, where the working classes, and the people in general, have more power over the means of production, and are not left pray to maladies both natural and economical, is a good basis for a fair and working society. The mire of debt many countries (the US included) are in should not be increased by blind military spending and corporate ruthlessness at the expense of its citizens.

Furthermore, countries should embrace immigration as an asset to society, and treat asylum seekers with dignity and fairness. The way this is dealt with is often disgraceful and inhumane in many countries. Even a rich, socialist government like the one in my country, is constantly flagging on the issue of immigration, less/more, and failing to take good care of the ones who are here. Many have good educations and work experience, that they are not given opportunity to use. It may seem like a small-scale problem, considering Norway's less-than 5 million population, but it's also another symptom of someone being afraid of their [corporate] culture being "infiltrated" by a foreign element.

So no, I don't see how multi-culturalism, whatever it is you interpret into that word, make "assault weapons" out of the words racism or sexism. Do you mean those are attitutes that are important to protect, because they are in danger of becoming extinct? Because that what it kinda seems like...

And also, I sooner preserve the giant panda than "the white race".

Now, I am all for preserving traditional folk art, music and traditions. For me, neither of these have any bearing on my "pride over my race", or anything. I can potentially identify with a myriad of different cultural expressions and traditions from all over the world, so why should my "pride" keep me from taking part in other cultures, whether through people, or the art that they make?

I think your arguments are kind of blurry, and suggest a deep-rooted mistrust in the potential for people and society to adapt to changes. Maybe I'm a bit blurry too... I mean, I am, but that's another nugget of multiculturalist (Moroccan) influence's doing...

Now, why you appear to be a bit out of focus, I am not sure... I seem to recall a warning someone gave here about "wolves in sheep clothing". This post may end up being a one-off for me in this thread.

Listen to a song by Yaphet Kotto called "Fact nor Fiction", which has a bitterly ironic speech related to this subject. It's fucking great.

No pianos, though.
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Old 03-27-2006, 11:16 AM   #27
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Communism is just one of those things that looks good on paper, but doesn't work in real life.
Doesn't make it responsible for all the world's major problems.
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Old 03-27-2006, 05:57 PM   #28
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that's not a valid argument for not citing sources.

if i copy your work from the studio and put in on my website without identifying you as the creator, is that ok simply because i believe others will understand i couldn't possibly be the one to have made it?

you're intelligent enough to know your argument was faulty. i trust it won't happen again.
Fair enough.
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Old 03-27-2006, 06:00 PM   #29
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That's not true. Every foreign country (I'm Australian, but have travelled extensively throughout Asia) I have ever been to has a number of institutions that are geared towards multiculturlism and/or cultural exchange. I can post websites if you'd like.
Yeah post the links. Id also like to see the results there getting. I mean white countries are being transformed at breath taking speed so lets see how fast non-white countries are being transformed. I mean I could totally understand Pakistan having a Multi-Cultural organization for lip service so that it doesnt look so lop sided when the fact is that Pakistan has no interest in Multi-Culturalism in its home only in other countries home. And the same would go for China, Japan etc.
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[quote=pitseleh]Hehehe! You funny, Xnguela. It's true, all the communists I know are poisoning, ozone-penetrating, heart-breaking sons of bitches...

No, I kid, I kid... The case is actually pretty much the complete opposite..

4myT: I am opposed to any ideological elitism, patriotism and theocracy.

So no, I don't see how multi-culturalism, whatever it is you interpret into that word, make "assault weapons" out of the words racism or sexism.

And also, I sooner preserve the giant panda than "the white race".

so why should my "pride" keep me from taking part in other cultures, whether through people, or the art that they make?

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I'd have to say that capitalism can be just as bad or worse then communism. I see corporate greed and how the US government is bought every day and it makes me sick. The US government is very currupt. I do believe that Multi-Culturalism uses the "R" word and so do alot of other groups and people to get what they want. The point I was trying to make from quoteing that article is that I see the similarity between the programing that communists tried to do and Multi-Culti's. I also see the struggle for absolute power. If you disagree with either ISM then you are mentally defective (racist, xenophobe etc.) and need to be sent to a re-eduction camp (sensitivity training). While you could care less what happens to your group of people and that is very typical of all white people the other tribes care very deeply and passionately about it which is why whites are the race on the planet on its way out. If you doubt how seriously the other tribes feel about their own survival or best interests then you shouldve been in my neighborhood today. It was an unerving eye opener. You can read more about that in my post "Smack in the middle of Ground Zero". I think that if your pride keeps you from enjoying other cultures then you are a pretty closed minded person and should probably do some travel. Enjoying in another culture doesnt mean you have to bring the culture to you en-mass so that your culture gets obliterated.
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Old 03-27-2006, 07:32 PM   #31
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Yeah post the links. Id also like to see the results there getting. I mean white countries are being transformed at breath taking speed so lets see how fast non-white countries are being transformed. I mean I could totally understand Pakistan having a Multi-Cultural organization for lip service so that it doesnt look so lop sided when the fact is that Pakistan has no interest in Multi-Culturalism in its home only in other countries home. And the same would go for China, Japan etc.
Ok. I have to leave now and won't be back until Friday, but as soon as I get back I'll post a few links. Remember that when you're talking about multiculturalism in other countries (other than America for example), it doesn't mean that you're talking about white people moving into those countries. You're mostly talking about people from other 'non-white countries' moving in.
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Old 03-28-2006, 11:16 AM   #32
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Doesn't make it responsible for all the world's major problems.
I guess it's okay if you like things like genocide.
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I guess it's okay if you like things like genocide.
Are you, like, following me around?

Communism isn't responsible for the genocides it's meglomaniac, totalitarian governments deal to their people. In fact, Communism isn't a form of government at all and is a major reason why the Germans were defeated in the USSR in WWII.
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What is a 'white' country?

Norway, maybe? It snows a lot there.

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Old 03-28-2006, 11:26 AM   #35
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Wolfie, just because some people who called themselves communists were in favor of genocide doesn't mean that all of the world's problems are to blame on Communism.

It does look really good on paper. It doesn't really work in real life. But it's not responsible for ALL the world's problems...

...give the White Supremacists some credit, too.
I just want to know when I ever said that it was responsible for the world's problems?

I said that it was a bad idea.
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That is irrelevant because it has never worked before the way the Western world would acknowledge that it worked.
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Are you, like, following me around?

Communism isn't responsible for the genocides it's meglomaniac, totalitarian governments deal to their people. In fact, Communism isn't a form of government at all and is a major reason why the Germans were defeated in the USSR in WWII.
I'm not following, I'm just here.

If it wasn't for the oppression of communism, the people committing the genocide wouldn't come into power. Yes?
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I'm not following, I'm just here.

If it wasn't for the oppression of communism, the people committing the genocide wouldn't come into power. Yes?
If you're speaking of Soviet Russia, Communism was put in place to fight the opression of the monarchy. Lenin was in power long before his communist ideas broke out.

Not to mention that the "genocides" that happened under Stalin, which were endearingly named the "Purges" were because Stalin was a cracked little nut afraid that he would be overthrown. Which is not even remotely a communist idea.
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Racial categories and the idea of multiculturalism have a lot of origins, and the web of connections is a lot thicker than a short history of Soviet Russia. Nationalism, the earlier German Folk revival... hell, you can trace it back to anyone who decided to be anti-Jew, because to ensure you weren't Jew you had to be in some other category... didn't you?

Some ancient peoples associated themselves with the large metropolitan areas they lived in or near, others with common languages or cultural forms. You can find maps that chart the boundaries between peoples and their myths, religions, languages, etc. What you find is that boundaries are very organic, and that the boundary map for, say, language, doesn't match up at all with the one for, oh.... nations, to pick one. So, when you hear labels like 'American' or 'Jewish' or something, be sure you know which boundary map the speaker/writer has in mind, and be careful not to extrapolate generalizations from specifications.
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Everybody hates somebody. Thats how governments and people work. People like to have an advesary.

Of course the Irish hate the british, the british hate the Irish
The Americans used to hate Russians, now its Arabs
The Indians and Pakastanis are now hating each other
Swedish hate the Danish and vice versa
Russians hate all the Eastern bloc states (mainly cuz they used to own them and now they dont) and those states all hate Russia

I could go on and on, but in every culture there is a group that is hated by a majority of people. It's just sad when governments capitalise on it for political gain.
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this country's going to hell, and by hell i mean - the fear inside the spineless, politically correct milksops that call themselves men these days not only accept the drive to turn our country into a third-world clone but willingly assist these illegal aliens to further their agenda. whatever happened to the american man as a fighter? where is our government?

where is the president of the united states of america?

pathetic.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Breakin...breaking33.htm

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don't bombard the newbie with PC attacks but I found this interesting, the average education level of the adult illegal immigrant is 6th grade (don't belive me, look it up).
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It is common courtesy to provide a verifable source for facts presented here by our members.

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this country's going to hell, and by hell i mean - the fear inside the spineless, politically correct milksops that call themselves men these days not only accept the drive to turn our country into a third-world clone but willingly assist these illegal aliens to further their agenda. whatever happened to the american man as a fighter? where is our government?

where is the president of the united states of america?

pathetic.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Breakin...breaking33.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Breakin...breaking34.htm
While I don't really have any respect for flags of any sort (a lot of people have the idea pumped into their heads that flags are an extension of their nation, but that's for them to have), but I do find this ridiculous. What the hell? You're in your own fucking country, and raising another country's flag above your own? Or taking your own down so as to not "offend"?! WHAT THE HELL?!

The flag is a symbol, and while I can understand, say, not flying any flags in Afghanistan other than your national flag over a larger base (so as to not confuse the general populace with such a multitude of flags as there were up until recently, to the point where they coud not even recognize their own) but on your own soil? That's not politically correct, that's polidiotic. Ugh... Some liberals take it too far to the wrong end.
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i agree.

a flag is a symbol, much like a wedding ring. and if a man announced to his wife that he would forever remove his own ring in favor of wearing another man's wedding ring while staying married to her - that wouldn't make any sense.

this doesn't make sense either. it's an internal virus that threatens to rot our core and if it continues, there won't be an 'america' to hate anymore. we're falling apart at the seams.
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this country's going to hell, and by hell i mean - the fear inside the spineless, politically correct milksops that call themselves men these days not only accept the drive to turn our country into a third-world clone but willingly assist these illegal aliens to further their agenda. whatever happened to the american man as a fighter? where is our government?

where is the president of the united states of america?

pathetic.

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http://www.newswithviews.com/Breakin...breaking34.htm

EE -

First, funny thing about those articles. They come from a site that seems to be quite xenophobia and anti-mexican judging by the articles, but it's sponsored by ELDORADO GOLD - and has paid ad's trying to get people to invest into comodities outside the united states. Ironic?

But as far as flags, I know many people who took down their US flags after the Iraq invasion. Many people were offended by the war, many still are. They aren't flying flags.

Also, in my neighborhood I used to fly Irish flags off my home. My neighbors did as well as it was an Irish neighborhood. I used to see many Chinese flags in China town as well, but don't see people complaining about that. In fact, in most every large city you have areas that are primarily comprised of other groups and they don't fly any US flags, and instead fly their own. For example in New York City you have Little Ukraine, which flys many Russian flags and most shops speak Russian, you have Little Italy, and of course China town. There are a few other areas like that in New York (i.e. the large Hebrew population in Yonkers area) where people speak English as a second language and they fly their flags, have signs on their businesses written in their languages, and no one calls them anti-american.

Only in Texas/California do you find these people who claim 'illegal immigrants' are doing all this 'evil' things. We should read in 'Mexicans' instead of 'illegals' because no one is out there protesting against the Chinese, Russians, Irish, Polish, and other illegals who far out number the mexicans, but they are in a parts of America where people seem to be more tolerant, accepting, and live in areas that were founded by these groups of immigrants just a few generations ago.

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Sternn, maybe it's the fact that it was being flown in a state run office has something to do with the outcry?

Plenty of Mexicans in my complex(and the adjoining ones) have Mexican flags flying in their windows. That doesn't bother me one little bit. It's their home.
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EE -

First, funny thing about those articles. They come from a site that seems to be quite xenophobia and anti-mexican judging by the articles, but it's sponsored by ELDORADO GOLD - and has paid ad's trying to get people to invest into comodities outside the united states. Ironic?
no, not really ironic. you claim they're xenophobic or anti-mexican based on the report, most likely. if anything, their advertising should provide some insight.

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But as far as flags, I know many people who took down their US flags after the Iraq invasion. Many people were offended by the war, many still are. They aren't flying flags.

Also, in my neighborhood I used to fly Irish flags off my home. My neighbors did as well as it was an Irish neighborhood. I used to see many Chinese flags in China town as well, but don't see people complaining about that. In fact, in most every large city you have areas that are primarily comprised of other groups and they don't fly any US flags, and instead fly their own. For example in New York City you have Little Ukraine, which flys many Russian flags and most shops speak Russian, you have Little Italy, and of course China town. There are a few other areas like that in New York (i.e. the large Hebrew population in Yonkers area) where people speak English as a second language and they fly their flags, have signs on their businesses written in their languages, and no one calls them anti-american.

Only in Texas/California do you find these people who claim 'illegal immigrants' are doing all this 'evil' things. We should read in 'Mexicans' instead of 'illegals' because no one is out there protesting against the Chinese, Russians, Irish, Polish, and other illegals who far out number the mexicans, but they are in a parts of America where people seem to be more tolerant, accepting, and live in areas that were founded by these groups of immigrants just a few generations ago.

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wolfmoon pretty much summed it up.

taking the flag of the united states down from the state office so as not to offend someone from another country is so baffling to me in its logic, i want to tear my brain out and smack it against some concrete. it's why i said this country is going to hell.

we don't have men in government anymore. they're a bunch of spineless jellyfish, if you'll pardon the cliche. not wanting to offend people?!? why don't they just say they don't want to offend foreigners? they're offending americans and they obviously don't care about that. what the fuck?!?
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Yeah post the links. Id also like to see the results there getting. I mean white countries are being transformed at breath taking speed so lets see how fast non-white countries are being transformed. I mean I could totally understand Pakistan having a Multi-Cultural organization for lip service so that it doesnt look so lop sided when the fact is that Pakistan has no interest in Multi-Culturalism in its home only in other countries home. And the same would go for China, Japan etc.
Ok, my trip took a little longer than expected thanks to the exceptional quality of the alcohol and the people I was with. Anyway, here are some links about global migration which is probably more to the point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ation_boom.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1003324.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_p...on/default.stm

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=219

http://pstalker.com/migration/index.htm

http://www.smc.org.ph/atlas/amatlas.htm

Also look up the Global Commission on International Migration (GCIM) and read about that if you like.
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Once again, this is a Texas/Cali thing. In government offices in DC and in New York the representatives fly the flags of their constituancy. Does that article address the number of Mexicans in their voting district? Does it even look at how many people have actually complained to that office? No.

I remember when I lived in the states that there was this old guy who did his house up every year for Christmas. He put a million lights on it, a dozen different Santas, and all kinds of gaudy crap throughout his yard and back garden. People would drive for miles to drive by and see it.

Did the neighbors mind it? No. Most of them too were old fogeys and thought it was kinda nice. The rest of them said it wasn't bothering anyone and they didn't mind at all.

However, the local news did a small piece on it and had one of those phone in polls where you could leave your comments about houses done up with lights and there were dozens of people complaining. Various Jewish and Qwanza groups called in to say that kind of display infringes on their rights, others called in to say it brings down the value of homes in the neighborhood, others called it 'white trash living' and said they would activly petition to keep people like that out of their neighborhoods.

Bottom line is, if the people who live there don't mind, who are you to judge them and try to pidgeon hole them into some category that you have decided is right/wrong when you don't have to live there?

Tis the way I see it. I used to live in an all black neighborhood. They had huge block parties every year. I was one of like 4 white people in a group of 400-500 that lived there, and one of two who participated. Didn't bother me that I was a minority. Didn't bother me they put up all these African flags/symbols/art. Didn't bother me that they played all R&B/rap music and all the DJ's were black. That was where I lived, and that was the majority opinion of how the event should go. Was it equal to whites? Well, no, but hey, I was a minority, and in a democracy, aren't things based on a majority rule?

So like I said, don't judge another group if ye don't live there. And if ye want to move into a place where you are a minority, just to complain about being a minority, then you really should get a hobby.

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