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Old 06-07-2012, 07:19 AM   #1
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What the shit.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-553.pdf
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Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC is a United States Supreme Court case that was decided in January 2012. The court ruled unanimously that federal discrimination laws do not apply to religious organizations' selection of religious leaders.
I can't believe I'm only now finding out about this. What the fuck is wrong with this country.
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I can't believe I'm only now finding out about this. What the fuck is wrong with this country.
Religion trumps everything in America. It's like if that kid who threw "Volcano" during "rock, paper, scissors" was allowed to throw it, and thus win every time, because to do otherwise might offend some old people.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:02 AM   #3
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From what I understand this is because of the separation of church and state, which churches argue is meant to protect churches from state interference.

This is kinda why I'm glad Canada doesn't have separation of church and state.
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I think their defense was freedom of religion in the first amendment, not separation of church and state. Either way, it's bullshit that the church so heavily influences the law and politics, but god-for-fucking-bid that our rights are protected.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:21 PM   #5
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Hello Versus. Glad you've come to join the conversation.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:51 PM   #6
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I think their defense was freedom of religion in the first amendment, not separation of church and state. Either way, it's bullshit that the church so heavily influences the law and politics, but god-for-fucking-bid that our rights are protected.
Not American but from the link I took it that its in the same amendment?

It is bullshit because its supposed to work the other way too, BUT NOPE.

Meanwhile countries with state churches are actually far more secular, its strange.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:43 PM   #8
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Not American but from the link I took it that its in the same amendment?
No, you're right. It's in the same place. But don't think that you need to be Amercan to be savvy about it. Most aren't. It's funny how many soldiers I talk to who don't know where the constitution is. You know. That silly thing they swore an oath to defend. XD

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Meanwhile countries with state churches are actually far more secular, its strange.
I don't get it, either. One of the things special about America, I guess.
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I blame Puritans.
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What, should I be able to sue them and force them to make me pope?
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:42 AM   #11
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What, should I be able to sue them and force them to make me pope?
Nah, just wait to see what our Bothan spies find out.
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What, should I be able to sue them and force them to make me pope?
You should be able to read the link I posted. You can do that, right?
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The church decided it didn't want her. I guess she can appeal to God, cause the government can't do shit about it. It sucks, oh well.
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Yeah! It also sucks how The U.S. had concentration camps in the Philippines and how there's still institutional racism and how the current market exploits most countries for the benefit of the global north and how one in six women will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives.


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How do you propose for the state to resolve an issue that occurred within the context of a religious institution without undermining one of the basic foundations of our society and setting an utterly terrible precedent?

Institutional racism doesn't exist anymore, unless "Have Lots of Money" and "Not Have Money" are races. Nobody important gives a shit what skin color you have as long as the credit check comes back with a good looking number.

Concentration camps and rapes, ARE things that the state can and should put a stop to.

As opposed to people that go to a church making churchy decisions about the other people in their churches that we don't like.
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Really now? You don't think the fact that the NYPD has stopped black people more times than there are total black people in Manhattan shows that institutional racism is still alive and well?
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:58 PM   #17
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Or that black people are six times more likely to get harsher prison sentences then white people, even if they are first time offenders and white people are second/third time offenders.

Nope! All is well in Crack Von Patriarch's kingdom.

By the by, CVP: She was a teacher
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And the economic standing of these individuals is totally just a coincidence.

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"In this particular case, involving a parochial school teacher in Redford, Mich., who spent most of her work time on non-religious duties, the Court found these to be decisive factors: that she was formally commissioned or ordained as a “minister” in the Lutheran denomination’s internal practices, that she did perform “important religious functions” in addition to her teaching of lay subjects in the classroom, and that her non-religious duties, however extensive, did not make a difference."
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one in six women will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives.
What source are you using? I'm just wondering if you have something more recent than what I'm familiar with as I thought it was one in four women by the age of 18 but the study I know is a few years old.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:54 PM   #20
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And the economic standing of these individuals is totally just a coincidence.
He did not say "certain black people" or "some black people," he said all black people, to include the poor and rich ones.
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He did not say "certain black people" or "some black people," he said all black people, to include the poor and rich ones.
Hey military guy, what do you see more of in the desert, poor black people or fucking rich ones?
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Hey military guy, what do you see more of in the desert, poor black people or fucking rich ones?
You mean in third world countries torn apart by 30 years of war? I don't need to remind you that we're talking about America, do I?
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Hey military guy, what do you see more of in the desert, poor black people or fucking rich ones?
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I usually just go with your classic bacon bits/sharp cheddar/garlic croutons.

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You mean in third world countries torn apart by 30 years of war? I don't need to remind you that we're talking about America, do I?
Wait. What does black people being in the desert have to do with black people being disproportionately imprisoned?
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I don't even know.
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