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Old 02-25-2006, 06:50 PM   #1
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Anarchy?

What are all your thoughts on it? I personally think that a temporary period of anarchy would be a very good thing.
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Old 02-25-2006, 07:01 PM   #2
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Do you mean Anarchy as in a period of chaos and disorder, or the mutual cooperation of people without a hierarchy or obvious authority?
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If you're talking about Punk Anarchy, it makes no sense.

By screwing around with an ordered system, you're breaking it down and creating another system. Resulting in mega anarchy anarchists who kill people with ice cream.

I'm going to read a book on Anarchy now.

Thanks for getting me in the mood jerk
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Old 02-25-2006, 08:33 PM   #4
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No no, I speak of a period of temporary anarchy, but complete anarchy. I guess to stems to my belief that like any population, man need a population crash. Like when a forest gets too thick and many of trees die to restore the forest back to equilibrium. Complete anarchy, atleast in a temporary fashion would help with this greatly. So to answer your question, A time of chaos and discord. I personally do not believe that the latter will be possible anytime soon.
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Old 02-25-2006, 10:40 PM   #5
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Exactly, I do not meant anarchy as a system of government, simply as a catalyst for change.
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Old 02-25-2006, 10:49 PM   #6
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So you're talking about mindless self indulgence without restricitons, which is obviously not a good idea.
Can you think of how many people would do illegal things because they're not illegal anymore?
I am an anarchist, because there's no best form of government, than no government at all. Now, of course, the only way for anarchy to work would be on a utopian society made entirely by philosophers, which is impossible. I think I could be able to be part of such society, but who knows?
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Old 02-25-2006, 11:11 PM   #7
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Exactly, I do not meant anarchy as a system of government, simply as a catalyst for change.
You mean revolution then, not anarchy. Anarchy != revolution, or vice versa.
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Old 02-25-2006, 11:14 PM   #8
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You mean revolution then, not anarchy. Anarchy != revolution, or vice versa.
Yeah, that's be better, but then what we need is to think about what would that revolution be.
There's no point in saying "we should reach the stars" without knowing how to reach them
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Old 02-26-2006, 12:06 PM   #9
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Anarchy cannot exist for too long as it is a vacuum. Nature hates a vacuum. The biggest and baddest will step up to restore order in the form of totalitarianism. As is life.
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Old 02-26-2006, 01:20 PM   #10
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Anarchy cannot exist for too long as it is a vacuum. Nature hates a vacuum.
As proven by the existance of space, which is a gigantic... what again?
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Old 02-26-2006, 01:27 PM   #11
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Lol, that's true. But this would not be a literal vacuum.
Who knows if anarchy would work. Animals don't have a form of government and they have been doing fine for millions of years.
But then, would Anarchy be the next step to a better civilization? Or would it be a regression?
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Old 02-26-2006, 01:54 PM   #12
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Do you mean Anarchy as in a period of chaos and disorder, or the mutual cooperation of people without a hierarchy or obvious authority?
SAYA: I'm not sure what Lakcluster_Heavens meant when he used the word Anarchy. I'm more in favour of Anarchy-as-the-mutual-cooperation-of-people-without-a-hierarchy-or-authority, which to most people on this messageboard seems synonymous with chaos & reckless destruction. Compared to every other ideology in the political spectrum, it's the only one that truly recognises freedom, instead of just a word to be thrown around loosely in politician's speeches. Freedom to the average non-political person is scary. To them, it opens up the possibility for more crime, more murder, more ****, more mindless/motiveless property damage, etc. To me, that's not Anarchy. That's Nihilism in motion. On top of that, the average non-political person don't trust in their own ability to make things happen in their lives/community themselves & have to depend on someone they believe is greater than them to keep things running smoothly [politicians, judges, police/sheriff, government in general]. I personally don't need such figures to keep myself in line.
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What Anarchy needs is an organized heirachy. Oh, wait.

It's a rather romantic idea, but there is little in the chromosomes of the human species that could perpetuate it with any grace for any amount of time.
SANTAREA: If there's an organised hierarchy involved, then it's no longer Anarchy. What distinguishes Anarchy form every other political affiliation/philosophy is that it's not only the absence of government, but the absense of the need for government. Large bureaucracies will only fall if more people solved the problems in their communities/lives themselves. This is why dual power groups like Copwatch [anti-police misconduct group], Food Not Bombs [anti-war/anti-poverty/anti-classist hunger relief group, although it directly solves 1 of the symptoms of poverty & classism], Homes Not Jails [anti-poverty/housing rights group] & Independent Media Centre [non-corporate/non-mainstream online news network where anyone could write & post reports/activist events] exist. They serve as outlets where people could take back aspects of their lives without depending on government institutions/politicians to do it for them. It's, in a small way, attempting to slowly build a new egalitarian world in the shadows of this one.
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Old 02-26-2006, 02:29 PM   #14
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Lol, that's true. But this would not be a literal vacuum.
Who knows if anarchy would work. Animals don't have a form of government and they have been doing fine for millions of years.
But then, would Anarchy be the next step to a better civilization? Or would it be a regression?
GODSLAYER JILLIAN: There's a lot that this tragic kingdom called Humanity could learn from the animals. It's hard for me to say whether it will be a regression. Neo-Primitivists, on the other hand, may say so; these folks often point to science, technology & civilisation as being the causes of the world's problems. However, those 3 things are just diverting attention away from the actual 3 causes: Government, Capitalism & organised religion [particularly Catholicism & Protestantism]. If science, technology & civilisation were to removed tomorrow, the world would be a far more dangerous place. There would be no way to fight diseases properly; no surgeries would be performed; weather patterns couldn't be predicted; scientific theories couldn't be proven; electricity & other energy-sources couldn't be generated properly without technology. For everyone to go back to the fucking caves--like the Neo-Primitivists want to happen--would require an act of massive brute force & coercion. That's the only possible way that a world without technology & civilisation could happen. I may not be able to see any "better civilisation" after the state, Capitalism or organised religion are gone, nor will it happen in my immedite lifetime. I'm not going to dismiss it entirely either. But long as I'm still alive, I'd want to prepare for it.

[I have a feeling that my posts on Anarchy are going to lose me the few peers I have on this messageboard.]
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Old 02-26-2006, 02:54 PM   #15
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SAYA: I'm not sure what Lakcluster_Heavens meant when he used the word Anarchy. I'm more in favour of Anarchy-as-the-mutual-cooperation-of-people-without-a-hierarchy-or-authority, which to most people on this messageboard seems synonymous with chaos & reckless destruction. Compared to every other ideology in the political spectrum, it's the only one that truly recognises freedom, instead of just a word to be thrown around loosely in politician's speeches. Freedom to the average non-political person is scary. To them, it opens up the possibility for more crime, more murder, more ****, more mindless/motiveless property damage, etc. To me, that's not Anarchy. That's Nihilism in motion. On top of that, the average non-political person don't trust in their own ability to make things happen in their lives/community themselves & have to depend on someone they believe is greater than them to keep things running smoothly [politicians, judges, police/sheriff, government in general]. I personally don't need such figures to keep myself in line.
I completely agree. I found a wonderful article on wikipedia on Anarchism and its different forms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism , I hope some people find it useful ^_^
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Old 02-26-2006, 04:08 PM   #16
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But this would not be a literal vacuum.
In what sense?
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:13 PM   #17
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Yup, Robster was right this time
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:15 PM   #18
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It seems to me that many anarchists change their views as soon as they have children to protect.

Just a little nugget of not-very-much-to-say that happened to spill out of my head.
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I prefer anarchism when it IS a romantic fable.
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Old 02-27-2006, 03:01 PM   #20
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Just a couple quotes from my man, Abbey (I;m not making an argument here, just sharing.):

Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others.

Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners.
I'm with you [and Abbey] on that!
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Old 03-06-2006, 12:16 AM   #21
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I may step on some toes with this one, but it's dark in here, so please forgive me...

Animals don't have a form of government and they have been doing fine for millions of years. - Jillian

This is so true Jillian, but animals similar to us, monkeys, throw poo at each other and roll around in their own feaces. They don't need governments. They don't need abstract thought either. They just need poo. And food, to ensure the poo supply won't run out.

I'm in love with the idea of Anarchism-as-the-mutual-cooperation-of-people-without-a-hierarchy-
or-authority. When I think of Anarchism, I think; John Lennon's "Imagine". No religion, no countries, no possessions. Therefore no need for war n stuff.

Such a beautiful thought. *dreams*
But unfortunately, people get in the way of this idea. They like getting as much stuff as they can and keeping it to make more stuff, and then fucking over anyone who gets in their way. Because that's what they've grown up with. That's what they've been taught to do. It doesn't matter what they learn in Sunday school because Jesus doesn't pay the bills. On top of that, people want and buy shit they don't need, that's how bad it's got.

"I personally don't need such figures to keep myself in line." - Pathogen

You sound like a very responsible person Pathogen. If you had a choice, would you pay your water bill? Electricity bill? Gas bill?
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We are different to animals. We make parodies using animals as characters. Read "Animal Farm".
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Great Book.

I never looked at the Animal Kingdom the same way after reading it, years and years ago.

Isn't it still required reading in High School?
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Old 03-06-2006, 01:40 AM   #24
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Depends on the school. Could be.
I read it in High School but it wasn't required. Should be.
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It was required for me, but I attended a private school.

This was also during the early eighties, so who knows..

I agree, it SHOULD be required reading.

Speaking of the Eighties & Anarchy..

I still can't see an Anarchy Symbol without immediately associating it with the Circle Jerks & Husker Du.

Then I feel old..

Which makes the Ice Weasels very,very,very, hungry..

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