RIP marilyn manson - Page 4

LiUsAiDh · 08-03-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sickmotherfucker

The ones that are true goths worship satan and do voodoo. 99% of the people are just metal.

I refuse to get into the argument that goth has nothing to do with religion.

However, as far as I am aware, Devil Worshiping and Voodoo are two entirely different belief systems. Voodoo is mostly practiced in Haiti, whereas Devil Worshipers have the same basic beliefs as Christians, but choose to follow the devil. They are not compatible.

Unless you're confusing Voodoo with Wiccan.

Edit: And Wiccan is also entirely separate from Devil Worship, so that was possibly a moot point.

PortraitOfSanity · 08-03-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LiUsAiDh

I refuse to get into the argument that goth has nothing to do with religion.

However, as far as I am aware, Devil Worshiping and Voodoo are two entirely different belief systems. Voodoo is mostly practiced in Haiti, whereas Devil Worshipers have the same basic beliefs as Christians, but choose to follow the devil. They are not compatible.

Unless you're confusing Voodoo with Wiccan.

Edit: And Wiccan is also entirely separate from Devil Worship, so that was possibly a moot point.

I don't think anyone would confuse Wicca with Voodoo.... Then again, he did confuse Voodoo with Satanism, so I guess I'm being too optimistic here. I'm pretty sure he just has no clue what he's talking about, and all this is coming out his ass.

DruLaCroix · 08-03-2008, 12:18 PM

Well Voodoo and Wicca have ecclectisim in common. But, being ripped from their homes and transplanted in Haiti left Africans with little else to do than to take bits and pieces from other religions (including Christianity) to keep what they remembered of their indigenous faith alive. That's not to say that there aren't branches that are as close to authetic as possible. As for Wiccans, well... I'd rather not go there.

PortraitOfSanity · 08-03-2008, 12:21 PM

In other words..... Wicca and Voodoo have nothing in common... Ecclecticism is all perspective, so you really can't use that to objectively compare two things.

DruLaCroix · 08-03-2008, 12:24 PM

Oh, I don't mean to imply that they should be compared. They are completely separate entities. I was just saying that they did have something in common, but that doesn't mean they are similiar in the slightest.

Draconysius · 08-04-2008, 08:52 AM

I only wish the title of this thread were literal. At least his career's dead now. Um, favorite songs let's see... The silence at the end of each song, because that dreck isn't worthy to vomit on, no matter how old it is or how much "better" the old shit is, it's still just shit.

Draconysius · 08-04-2008, 09:02 AM

Wicca is the mallgoth of all religion, stealing all of its beliefs from Neo-Paganism and charging out the ass for it. All ancient religions (even Christianity, as much as they'd like to think otherwise) practiced ritual magic. That's where the connection lies.

PortraitOfSanity · 08-04-2008, 09:12 AM

After all, the whole point of the religion was to sell books...

Magila · 08-04-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

How do you define 'failure'? I have difficulty comprehending how any accepted definition of that word applies to an exceedingly wealthy, insanely famous individual who consistently bangs hot women.

Thanks for proving that i fail at English, i only understood " insanely famous ".

DruLaCroix · 08-04-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Draconysius

Wicca is the mallgoth of all religion, stealing all of its beliefs from Neo-Paganism and charging out the ass for it. All ancient religions (even Christianity, as much as they'd like to think otherwise) practiced ritual magic. That's where the connection lies.

That is probably the best quote ever. And how odd it is, at least when examining contemporary Christianity, that the very same religion that frowns upon witchcraft had some very elaborate forms of ceremonial and high magic, including necromancy.

sickmotherfucker · 08-04-2008, 06:38 PM

this shit is hilarious

Black Leilia · 08-09-2008, 01:46 PM

Manson just goes with the mainstream "outcasts" if that makes any sense, and rides those fads and makes money off of them. So, this whole "goth" thing is over and now it's "emo" therefore his music is too. He's kinda smart that way... of course I liked his older music. Now I know that things are different so I don't care, I just listen to his older stuff. Manson's not this unique singer but someone who caters to the masses, letting them think that they're anti-mainstream and laughing at them the whole time knowing they are mainstream, and making tons of money off of them in the process. I have nothing against Manson, like I said, I think he's smart.

Oh but actually... I do like that one song, I think it's the If I were you vampire, or something along those lines... I like a lot of music though. There isn't much I don't like.

IsolatedReptile · 08-10-2008, 06:35 PM

I never realized that his music was emo. Especially his new music. Seems to me people are throwing the word Emo around like word Gay used to. As though it were synonymous with lame?

meezerosity · 08-10-2008, 06:41 PM

I saw him live, put on a good show but I'm not that in to his music. Observing the people attending was hilarious. I Only went because my bf at the time drug me to go see Slayer since for some odd reason they were touring together.

PortraitOfSanity · 08-10-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IsolatedReptile

I never realized that his music was emo. Especially his new music. Seems to me people are throwing the word Emo around like word Gay used to. As though it were synonymous with lame?

I think Manson's classified as "shock rock" because he's really more of a performance artist than a musician (whether he's good at it or not is up for debate).

Das Kommandant Mog · 08-11-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PortraitOfSanity

I think Manson's classified as "shock rock" because he's really more of a performance artist than a musician (whether he's good at it or not is up for debate).

That's what I always classified him as. He's about rattling the bars of society's cage, and getting them to stick their faces out and bite him. He wants a response, so he looks extreme, and sings extreme, and appeals to the people who like that sort of thing. But, that's just the opinion I've formed.

I admire his ability to take all the shit he gets from society in stride, and keep doing what he's doing. It's not like he isn't asking for it, though. But, I've never considered his music to be anything goth.

I kinda like some of his makeup though...and to whoever said he was a failure...mmkay you obviously are letting your personal opinion, and the whole "hate Manson 'cause he gives TRUE goths a bad name" thing influence, if not completely encompass, your opinion of Manson. On a cruder note, he had Dita von Tease in the ass. If that's failure than I really wonder what success is.

onyxprop · 08-11-2008, 04:36 PM

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God, when I read the title I thought Marilyn Manson died

We are sad to inform the public that singer/song writer Marilyn Manson passed away in his bed at 3AM, Aug 11, 2008...

IsolatedReptile · 08-11-2008, 08:06 PM

I agree with the shock rock statements. He has always tried to stay outside of the box and scare people into thinking he's some sort of deviant.

I've wondered if his entire life is orchestrated around trying to be so shocking, like some sort of grand joke on everyone else at his expense. It's a wasted life, but if the day he died there was a written letter saying, "Fooled you, I was as normal as any of you," I think I'd be more impressed by his work.

Zakyath · 08-17-2008, 09:15 AM

well, as far as I know, after Lest We Forget, he tried to live a "normal life". But he didn't like it, so Brain decided to get back to music and became Marilyn Manson again.

and I think his "older music" is coming back again, nwo that Twiggy's back. We'll see in december when the next album comes out.

x-deviant-x · 08-17-2008, 10:12 AM

I'm a manson fan. And I'm too old to give a shit whether it's cool to like him or not. I don't like all of his stuff, but he has some compelling lyrics. I think his first cd was shit, and I wasn't too impressed with his 2nd. Though I'd never even heard of him until some point between Antichrist and Mechanical Animals.

IsolatedReptile · 08-18-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by x-deviant-x

I'm a manson fan. And I'm too old to give a shit whether it's cool to like him or not. I don't like all of his stuff, but he has some compelling lyrics. I think his first cd was shit, and I wasn't too impressed with his 2nd. Though I'd never even heard of him until some point between Antichrist and Mechanical Animals.

It seemed to me he wasn't really worth listening to until some point between Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar.

Carin Broken · 01-05-2009, 05:04 AM

Manson is great person... deep, smart, romantic, crazy))) he's amazing & i love him! He's not like others & this's soo important, also i've heard that he loves Goth more then someone else

soo... respect to him))

Albert Mond · 01-05-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Carin Broken

Manson is great person... deep, smart, romantic, crazy))) he's amazing & i love him! He's not like others & this's soo important, also i've heard that he loves Goth more then someone else

soo... respect to him))

What's that? You want to be strangled? Well... if you insist...

viscus · 01-05-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Carin Broken

Manson is great person... deep, smart, romantic, crazy))) he's amazing & i love him! He's not like others & this's soo important, also i've heard that he loves Goth more then someone else

soo... respect to him))

Who the fuck are you, and why did you have to go and necro a bunch of Manson threads?

JCC · 01-05-2009, 05:27 AM

It's Manson's birthday today, isn't it?