When did I paint you in the light that "you're attacking people based on their ideas and beliefs?"

That's a fucking retarded thing to say. You just pulled that out of your ass.

You're just pissed because I caught you up in your own Bullshit.

Get over it little boy.

See? More unbased bullshit. Seriously, point out where I painted you in the light that "you're attacking people based on their ideas and beliefs"

All throughout I've attacked you because you're fucking stupid, just as I attacked Tam; never because you attack other people. Fuck, you don't even do so; you might say bullshit about other people but that's that. You're not smart enough to attack other people's ideas and beliefs, only to get offended by their opposition to yours

Deadmanwalking_05: You merely reveal yourself to be nothing more than a rambling man. Potentially prejudiced against anyone with a differening attitude.

Seriously, work on articulating your ideas or arguements or be forevermore ridiculed.

So where exactly didn't you try to attack my Beliefs and Ideas?

I've always attacked your beliefs and opinions, because they're stupid. I never denied that, and that's never what you said.
What you said was that I apparently have said you attack other people's opinions and beliefs, which is an idiotic thing to say because I always do that. No opinion, no belief, is safe from scrutiny, and if yours are fucking stupid, I will call on your bullshit.
I would even be offended if others didn't do the same and just respected me for the sake of respecting me. Lucky for me, you are too much of an idiot to make a real argument against my own opinions. I say I'm an anarchist and you say "nah nah that's not true I'm not listening to you you're really a commie fascist I don't have to prove this to you"
Great job.

Fine then.

Anarchy only leads to trouble,nothing good will come of it this time around,because weak willed little bastards like you don't have the stomach for it when all hell breaks loose,I'll bet my last fucking dollar that you'll run away with the rest of the god damned Sheep.

Little cluster fucks like you wave the black flag of Anarchy until something actually happens,then you piss yourself when the full realization hit's,that the cops aren't coming to stop people from kicking your door down and taking what they want.

Well I have to ask you a question Jill.

I've heard that you have a Gf,ask yourself what would happen to her during a long state of lawlessness?

That's what lead me to believe that you would be fine with Murder,R*pe,Child Molestation,Robbery,and Home Invasion.

Because that is what Anarchy is,and that is what will happen during Anarchy.

You fuck up.

You're laughable. So you're saying that the only reason you are not murdering, r*ping, or stealing, is because there is law?
Other than that you would be a complete animal?

Nope,at this stage of my life I would be too busy protecting my home,family,and would be busy trying to find a way to resupply food,water,and Ammo.

You would need to worry about the bastards that just broke out of the nearest Maximum Security prison though.

Odds are they wouldn't be as well prepared and would be looking for a way to sustain themselves,and would be looking for some stress relief after 10-20 years (I.E. your GF).

So how great of a fucking Idea is Anarchy again?

You still didn't say anything. Your whole premise idiotically rests in that if there were no laws, humans would be r*ping and murdering each other at will. But not you, no, never you, you're superior to them somehow; just like the humans who created the laws that stop other humans from being animals because they are somehow exempt from the viciousness you ascribe to us as a species.
You are such a fucktard, saying that you would shoot cops if they even dared to stop you and ask you for papers, and yet you believe that without them enforcing laws we would be killing everyone else?
You haven't actually thought about your own beliefs that much, have you?

Straw man argument Jill I never said anything about shooting cops.

Look what happens even with the laws you dumb fuck.

Are you so god damned stupid that you don't realize with no laws,it would Be Exponentially worse than it is now?

Yeah, you have. Precisely in this thread
And no, you're the fucking idiot because you don't understand causality. Your argument is no different than saying if there weren't relief funds for disasters, more natural disasters would occur.
Criminal activity is lower where there is more freedom to the citizens. What the fuck happened to your ideas of a small government that does not mess with its people?
You're the kind of idiot that hits a dog with a stick and complains when the dog bites back. Laws don't pacify people; laws keep them in line without solving the problem.

Anyone that disagrees with your ideology is a moron and is lower than you right?

Because that is what you have been saying throughout this discussion.


If Anarchy does happen you better stay put where you are,because if I catch sight of you,you'll be shown how Anarchy actually fucking works.

I have nothing further to say to a shit eating troll like you.

Yeah, with four years in here I've just been secretly waiting for you to join so I can troll you. Not everyone that disagrees with me is an idiot just people whose ideas are stupid and inconsistent like yours; and if anarchy happens, people like you would be fucking weak, alienated from the rest of the community. Good luck trying to fight against real freedom and real democracy with your shotgun and your disregard for human life just because they pity you.
The fact that you say you actually would kill me shows one thing: either you really have a small dick and that's all you got against me, or you really don't deserve to live anymore than the "bastards that just broke out of the nearest Maximum Security" you mentioned, seeing as you probably call them bastards because of r*pe and murder; acts you don't have a problem against me.

Back on topic from the O.P.

Pro-gun/Anti-gun?

Pro-Gun. Anti-idiots-that-dry-hump-guns.

This is lame from both of you. Deadman is clearly a fucking nutcase and Jillian, "you have a small dick"? Did you really just make that insult?

It's what I say when people show an inferiority complex. Makes them angrier.

Like I was saying Projection pure and simple.

See what I mean? You realize you could just as well be "projecting yourself" in accusing me of projection, right?
If you were confident enough you would make a legitimate argument, but you don't.

Back on Topic.

Pro-gun/Anti-gun?

Yeah yeah, just like six posts above when you didn't have anything else to respond.

Pro-Gun. Anti-idiots-that-dry-hump-guns.

Back off Topic.

What's your opinion on Cornflakes?

Pro-Cornflakes or Anti-Cornflakes?

Hahaha, that reminds me of a musical called The Angry Housewives where a bunch of women form a punk band with a hit song called "Eat your fucking Cornflakes".

Pro cornflakes so long as they have milk with them. Dry cornflakes are horrendous.

I agree with this. Although I have a strange weakness for Cornflakes with Ketchup or BBQ sauce.

Yeah, I'd try it, I actually want to. My grandma, back when she was a wee tyke of 15, owned shooting records with pistols. I learned of this only recently and was astounded, and it made me want to try.

Personally, I'm a little torn on the pro/anti-gun thing.

I could go pro-gun, because, crime would plumet. But, I could see it also going the other way...some nut job would recuit more nut jobs and go crazy.

Anarchy: The concept that the human race has enough basic common sense to just get on with their lives if there wasn't a government or law enforcement system. The idea that we can actually just go and get stuff done without the threat of imprisonment or violence, because it's just a better idea to get the damn stuff done anyway.

Deadmanwalking: The proof that if/when anarchy occurs, there will be some poor sods stuck living in their reinforced homes and shooting at everything in visible range. Much the same as we get hermits, shutins and nutcases in everyday life even now.

Well at least this poor sod won't be a target walking around in the open unarmed.

Besides I wouldn't shoot unless forced I would give plenty of warning before sending anything down range.
Because once a round is on it's way there isn't anyway of calling it off (Besides shooting people down needlessly doesn't sit well with me,and it's just a waste of ammo without any real gain).

I am not gonna say much more than that I am against guns.
But I'm glad to know that your main concern regarding gunning someone down at random is the waste of ammo, not the loss of a seemingly innocent life.

In that situation ammo would mean life or death.

To put it in simple terms.

If the person is important (Read that as an actual threat to me and my family) enough for me to look at through the sight picture of a loaded rifle,it would be in that persons best interests to get out of my sight picture,or to stop doing what they are in the middle of doing.

So that way I don't have to waste them or the ammo.

Or, you know, some random kid that pisses you off and brings out your fucking pig mentality

I'm pro-gun rights. I'm not a crazy right-wing gun nut or anything like that, but I think anyone who's sane should have the right to at least have a gun inside their own home.

Then again I'm from one of those areas in the South where people cling to their guns and religion. Before moving here, I lived in Charlotte. The 14th most dangerous city in the US. Being from that area pretty much means I ended up very, very, very paranoid.

I'm getting my gun permit soon and a pistol to go with it.

Doesn't mean I'll use it for much. 90% of my shooting now is target practice with my air rifle.

Not unless you crossed into my territory and were trying to take what you wanted from it (My livestock,my garden, apple and peach trees,not to mention the Blackberry patch I've been working with for awhile).

If you asked permission to take only what you needed for yourself and family,then proceeded to do so,all that would be asked is that you return the favor if needed.

Showing up and getting grabby would get you shot (Kids are exempt from that rule,because well...they're kids).

Besides I wasn't talking about shooting you dumbass.

I was talking about what you would have to pass through before you arrived at my place,all the destruction and chaos that would be brought down on people like you and me,then I would ask you one and only one question.

Was it really worth it?

Check it out. A pro-gun argument I've seen often is that Hitler 'rose to power by confiscating guns' or something analogous to that.
But turns out there's little that makes that a valid argument. Germany had extremely strict gun laws due to the Treaty of Versailles, as another one of the terms of surrender. There was no need for a political party to 'ban guns'

On the contrary the Firearms Policy Journal (January 1997) writes:

"The Nazi Party did not ride to power confiscating guns. They rode to power on the inability of the Weimar Republic to confiscate their guns. They did not consolidate their power confiscating guns either. There is no historical evidence that Nazis ever went door to door in Germany confiscating guns. The Germans had a fetish about paperwork and documented everything. These searches and confiscations would have been carefully recorded. If the documents are there, let them be presented as evidence."

And the law about guns the Nazis did pass was the German Weapons Law, which relaxed gun restriction laws.

Why would anyone want to give up a right to the government? I think everyone should have guns, and we should have them out all the time.

In the words of Larry the Cable Guy: "Husbands that come home early, kill people. The guns just sittin there." "If guns kill people, then I can blame mispelled words on my pencil".

I'm all for "higher restrictions" on guns, such as making them harder to get by requiring more credentials or perhaps adding rediculous fees/taxes, because it would make it harder for non-upstanding individuals(like criminals, for example) to purchase them; however, banning handguns, or similiar is rediculous. Not trusting the american people with the rights we were given upon the founding of the constitution is self-destructive to the country as a whole. Take away a murderer's gun, and they'll pick up a knife, or some random blunt object. The idea that the banning or discouraging of firearms would reduce crime/murders is purely ignorant. Just one more reason why I am utterly unhappy with Obama. A few more years of his bullshit and I'm immagrating, perhaps to Holand.

edit: Yes I am well aware that it is illegal for a civilian to possess a firearm in Holand, I figured some diehard smartass may try to use that against me.

If what I think is going to happen actually happens,I'm standing my ground and fighting for every inch of Kentucky soil until I'm killed in action or survive long enough to see complete victory.

Okay....I'm big on this topic...Did anyone watch that 20/20 episode on guns... called "if only I had a gun" or something like that? Well upon watching it I could tell right away that it was going to be be completely based on an anti gun/left wing mentality...Now I'm going to make it quite clear that I do not agree with violence...and I'm not going to justify killing.... BUT... Seriously all this hype is merely the after effect of recent shooting incidents that has led people who wouldn't know an AK-47.... from a paintball gun to issue demands for more restrictions on guns....

Because obviously what "other" factors could you blame the incidents on besides the guns??? Hmm???? I wonder???

One of the recent shooters was...a former crack addict Jiverly Wong, who told co-workers "America sucks" yet somehow was not offered a job as a speechwriter for Barack Obama. Wong blockaded his victims in a civic center in Binghamton, N.Y., and shot as many people as he could, before killing himself. Then there's....Lovelle Mixon a paroled felon, struggling to get his life back on track by pimping, who shot four cops in Oakland, Cali....before eventually being shot himself. It might make more sense to outlaw men than guns... Or crack.... Or to prohibit felons from having guns. Except we already outlaw crack and felons owning guns and yet still, somehow, Wong got crack and Mixon got a gun....Of course the stupid government tolerates rallies on behalf of cop-killers, but they prohibit law-abiding citizens working at community centers.... from being armed to defend themselves from disturbed, crack-addicted haters like Wong......They think they can pass a law eliminating guns and nuclear weapons, but teenagers having sex is completely beyond our control????....Pshyah.....Obama explained that "the United States has a moral responsibility" to lead disarmament efforts because America is "the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon."
Since when does America have the right to think that it's such a morally superior hoo-ha??? Cough*hiroshima*cough Cough*conspiricy*cough

If a single civilian in that fucking Binghamton community center had been armed, instead of 14 dead, there might have only been one or two, including the god damn shooter. In the end, the cops didn't stop Wong. His killing spree ended only when he decided to stop, and he killed himself...bless his poor corrupted soul.

"The shooter will eventually run out of ammo" ummmm..........................that strategy may not be the best one for stopping deranged psychotic murderers. (retards)

But it's highly unlikely that any community center in the entire state would be safe from a disturbed former crack-addict like Wong because New York's restrictive gun laws require a citizen to prove he has a NEED for a gun to obtain a concealed carry permit.

Seriously......does this truly make any fucking sense???

I hate the government-- but I really, really, really, really, hate pussy democrat left wingers.... who think's turning everyone into brain-washed sissy's is the "right" thing to do.

Okay.............I understand the concern of those who don't agree with having guns. They are very, very dangerous weapons... we all know this. It's dangerous when they are in the wrong hands, especially when children are concerned. But seriously...If one is responsible enough...accidents won't happen. I don't think you should own a gun if you are an irresponsible candy ass and I don't think you should own one if you have major anger issues and don't think that you could control yourself from killing someone innocent. But If you are wise and know what you are dealing with...I feel there is nothing wrong about owning a gun...and I believe that right should not be taken away. Obviously as I have already mentioned...We wouldn't need guns if there was no evil in this world...If we had no need to protect ourselves but...There IS evil in this world...Now obviously someone might say...But if no one was able to have a gun then obviously the crime would go down and violence wouldn't be as bad. This is very true... If none of us and I mean NONE of us Americans had access to any guns...that would be absolutely fine. I would accept that and not go against it whatsoever. But thinking that way is going against common sense.... because you want to know where 90% of gangbangers fire power comes from??? NOT the U.S!!! so that would be out of the question... All the artillery is supplied by the corrupt Mexican government, their own "law inforcement" gangs from places like China, Venezuela and an unstoppable amount of uncontrolled gunrunners from countries where (PLEASE NOTE THIS) Guns Are Virtually Banned From Private Citizens! Mexican residents are not allowed to keep and bear arms, so based on law, Mexico should be a gun-free zone.... Guess how that worked out for them??? About as well as it has in Afghanistan.... And..... more than 2000 Americans are incarcerated in Mexican prisons and jails without any formal charges brought. Including simple American tourists who committed the horrible "alleged" crime of being in possession of a used shell. No guns, no loaded ammo, just a tiny piece of used metal "allegedly" found in their vehicle..........
But like all other gun-free zones, this is the guaranteed recipe for the most innocent lives being gunned down.

.....Sorry I'm just really pro-gun...and when I'm hot about a topic...I'm HOT. <3

I appreciate your stance on the pro-gun side of the issue.

But the issue isn't a sole property of the left or right,it applies to those of all political parties,just the same as it applies to all citizens.

Well of course there are always going to be pro's and con's in either party....but the majority of the cons are Democrats...and it's always been that way.

Well historically speaking this is true to a degree,the Democrats were originally the party of the confederacy during the American civil war (for those that don't believe me look it up) and the original gun control laws were thought up by racists in order to keep their target group unarmed so they would be easier pickings.

Right now we have a Democrat in office with the same policies and seeming M.O. as the last Republican president.

The best thing I can advise all fellow Americans on this forum to do is to go back to the Constitution, most importantly the Bill Of Rights.

Well we can do that...But I have a feeling that our bill of rights...is being destroyed.

It can only be destroyed if we let it be destroyed.

There are two ways of stopping our freedoms from being taken away.

#1: The voting booth.

#2: The gun safe.

Thing is that the voting booth...kinda means nothing dude. It's not even the presidents making the rules...its CONGRESS...what are we supposed to do about those guys?

Oh, you mean your state and district representatives, as opposed to a guy that is selected by the electoral college without giving a fuck about your vote?

Yeah, what are we gonna do about those fuckers that care for their less than a million constituents. We should instead just give all the power of three hundred million people to one person: the head of the state.

That definitely won't trump our civil liberties.

lol do you not realize that we're already screwed?

I don't vote period.