Very true. Up until about two months ago my BMI just made the mark for overweight.

"Overweight" is a medical definition. Being overweight can cause diabetes, heart disease, stroke, etc etc.
That's why it's bad.

Not only that, but it is limiting. Don't try to tell me that chick can climb a flight of stairs as efficiently as I can and not have to catch her breath.

As far as LOOKS go, it's the same as anything else. Like brown hair, some people like it, and some people don't.
The fact of the matter is, however, that it's not healthy, and humans are programmed to dislike what looks unhealthy.

Well, fair enough.

Though honestly from your initial post it seemed more of an aesthetic issue. Sorry if I misunderstood; it just seemed to be one of those glass houses / stones kind of things.

Obesity causes diabetes and heart disease and stroke. Being a few pounds overweight isn't suddenly putting you at death's door, infact it may be good for you. And I actually have met people who are overweight who are athletic, including my sister who while is a bit overweight competes athletically with men and is joining the police force, and one of my best friends who is in kick boxing with men and does very well.

Not quite true, being skinny and underweight is unhealthy too but thats the ideal. I'm underweight, I used to be worse though and even then I got tons of compliments from strangers. Its far more cultural than programmed, plenty of cultures find overweight women attractive and skinny women ugly.

Nothing turns me on more than caressing the skin pulled tight over the bones of an anorexic woman's rib cage.

There should be a range of models of different body types who eat right and exercise right.

Personally I find the size 12-14 models much more attractive than the size 0 models. And I have to side with popular opinion on http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...mpetition.html

I don't buy that all these people find 'non-skinny' girls (for a lack of a better word) that attractive.
Here, I invoke creature6's complaint that I believe most people are just answering what they feel they have to answer rather than answer what they actually like. Only in this case I won't bitch about that and then have the same opinion.

I could never be attracted to a chubby girl. I like them skinny. I like them to compete with me for who's the lightest. If you had an option of having a girl at 140 pounds or 115, why would you want 140?

I know it's terrible but I laughed at that.

And what's this aboot you and trannies?

In before someone wisely suggests that you masquerade as judge for a dicksucking contest between 'em.

Depends on the distribution of the weight, a friend of mine named Shannon weighs 145 and has the most amazing body I think I have ever seen, then again she is 5'11" and is exceptionally toned.

More than anything it really comes down to being in proportion to your frame.

Personality? Intelligence? Ability in the sack? are these things not factors?

Wait-I'm '5"11 and 145 pounds and I am not toned. I guess this makes me a fatty mcfatterstein.

It's one thing when being thin comes naturally for some people-genetics, metabolism, or someone who just doesn't eat that much and is fine with it, doesn't feel hungry, etc. It's a whole different thing altogether when someone has to struggle daily and deprive themselves when they'd much rather take another bite in order to keep up with some stupid skinny fashion statement. If you give that much of a shit about how you look that you count every calorie you eat and never let yourself indulge, ever, then you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that there are a hell of a lot more important things than looking emaciated and/or impressing douchebags who wouldn't like you any other way.


I say eat mostly healthy and exercise and whatever your body naturally looks like while you're doing this is the weight you're supposed to be.

Personally, I wouldn't even want to be around anyone who would like me less because I weighed more. What would I want with a fuckhead boyfriend like that?

Of course, they are; and in that order.
But even so, why have a girl with all those qualities who's fat when you can have one with all those qualities who's thin?

Thats just a weird way of looking at it, you'll never find two girls who are exactly the same except for weight. I know its a hypothetical but relationships with human beings is a little more complicated than that. Chubbiness just isn't a deal killer for a lot of people, thats all.

Now that I think of it, trying to hard to be thin seems to me to be one of the more retarded ways to conform. "I wanna be really skinny so everyone will like me and I will be like all the other skinny girls and I'll be so cool because people will think I'm hot." Why give so much of a shit what people think?

Its easy to know that its silly but there's always that part that wants to be considered attractive, especially to certain people. Since I started dating again I've been really harsh on myself to the point where I'm actually willing to dish out money for beauty products and make up (I never wear make up). I know its stupid but I just can't stop.

Dude, being stick thin is not the ideal.
The vast majority of people find that unappealing.

When my family lived in Papua New Guinea the locals thought my dad was batshit crazy for marrying my mother because she didn't have a sizeable ass, haha.

Though I personally have a preference for slenderness I can appreciate that people of larger sizes can still look good up until a certain point, usually when they start to look unhealthy. Same goes for thin people though - if they look sick they're not attractive. It's really very simple.

May I point out the difference between being large and being fat?

Some of those models had bad bodies. Not that they had a larger waist, but small tits, a big waist, and a small ass makes you look bad. It's proportions.

I tend to find personality and intelligence attractive above other factors.
If she's physically rather attractive but has the personality of a microwaved dogturd, then it won't fly. Then I'll probably go for the funny chubster with whom you can actually have a meaningful, interesting conversation that doesn't revolve around items of clothing and/or mobile phones.

Yeah I've noticed that generally works a lot more often than one would think.
I am a very spiteful, jealous individual. When I see a woman I think is more attractive than me, I automatically dislike her. Problem is, most of the time when I meet girls who are attractive they end up being total sweethearts and I can't help but like them anyway.
Wellll, I went to a party once and there was this girl there who was fucking gorgeous. She was curvy like paintings of oceans, rolling all smooth and perfect in all the right places. She had these full pale titties like they were fake but you knew they weren't, and she had a gorgeous face. Her hair was about down to her waist in this natural dark brown-black, and it curled naturally all shiny and smooth. I wanted to kill her.

Anyway ten minutes go by and I realize that she is a fucking dumbass, and she's also rude and openly conceited. After a while she just looked fat to me, and her hair had a bunch of split ends in it, and I am not kidding by the end of the night I thought she was just some dumb average looking chick.

Shit actually happens like that dude.

I thought size 12 was pretty normal and that plus size was 16+, I think this argument has a tendency to get a tad subjective. Noone is going to come to a conclusion about what is and isn't attractive and I think we don't need to talk about the bodies of human beings in a way that is demeaning. You may not like big women...however some people genuinely do, I personally know people who do, it's not really anyone elses place to tell them it's wrong, you would never tell a homosexual that their orientation was wrong. (Well, I hope not anyway) The same goes for those who like skinny women.

I came to a conclusion a year ago after spending years moping about the way I looked, that, I will try and eat right and do excercise I enjoy (I enjoy it so much I manage to do 2 hours without even thinking) and do it for the love of it...not to impress others or try and make other people pleased with the way I look. I have kept to it, I'm a size uk14 at 5"1 and I'm healthier than a lot of my thinner friends who struggle to do one sit up when I can do 60. So, yes...you can be overweight and healthy. People may look at me and think "she's overweight, she must be lazy" but for once...I'm happy because I'm not obsessing about being thin and looking beautiful for a majority. I think it's not always the "chubby chicks" who have to change but people's attitudes towards those who they don't find attractive and/or are overweight. We need to stop comparing ourselves and dictating how others should look because then we will feel uncomfortable thinking that other people are saying and thinking the same about us. Just be as healthy as you can be and enjoy the excercise that you do. I'd rather be fat than unhappy.

Same here. Dumbasses are more of a turnoff for me than chubby girls.

As much as brains and personality are key factors, it's aesthetics that draw you to that person to give you the chance to get to know them, or at least that's my opinion.

True. I'd prefer to get to know some chain smoking chick with bruised knuckles and a Charged GBH tee. Than someone that looks like they've put infinite care into painting their nails...

Smoking is gross!!!!!

Burn the fat people! Long live anorexia!

Meh. I like it.

You know, some people actually sit around for several hours with a huge golf umbrella smoking cigarettes on the roof of their car! How vile!

Yeah I notice that when I like someone its way harder for me to notice their flaws and they're cute or pretty to me. When I dislike someone I notice their flaws more readily and they seem really unattractive, even with people I thought were hot before I got to know them.

Exactly. It works the other way around too. I have dated people that at first glance looked meh or alright, and then once I got to know them they just got more attractive in my eyes until I could swear they were the most attractive thing I had ever seen.

This is the problem I have with many fat women.
Often, when I'm at the gym or just out, I'll get rude looks or even comments--and no, it isn't by both fat and thin women, it's by fat women. If it is thin women, they're very ugly. They are random comments, and the truth, I suspect, is that they're jealous.

It's not my fucking problem that I made a commitment to eat healthily and go to the gym almost every night and you had two kids by age 23 and eat at McDonald's every fucking day, bitches.

I love bitchy comments. It basically gives me green card to diss them 'til they cry. =D

Will you shut the fuck up? Just because someone says that they like skinny chicks doesn't mean that they have anything against fat chicks: I don't give a flying fuck if a chick is fat, do whatever you want, it just means I don't want to pork her and I might laugh at her behind her back. That's just how shit goes.

Right, I figured one of you idiots would go there.
That's why I said "many." I stand by that.

Also, just so you know, glandular issues that cause unmanageable weight gain are extremely rare.

I know what you mean about the comments and looks, I honestly couldn't count the times I have overheard chubby girls talking about how I have an eating disorder or do coke and how my tits are fake (because of course only fat chicks have naturally large tits). I really have no idea why it seems to be acceptable for fat chicks to say those kind of things about thinner girls but yet is isn't acceptable for me to call them fat in response.

There are much worse habits. That's why I started smoking in the first place. I would have gone crazy without nicotene buzz.

When it cmoes to fat bitchy chicks, it's the bitchyness that bothers me. The same goes for stupid fat chicks, or boring fat chicks, or tool fat chicks.

The reason I started smoking was because I got bored when I was getting drunk, it kinda gave me something to do. Plus I like the taste of most blends/brands.

I find the action of smoking to be a relaxing one.

i love my cigarettes ,i could not live without them.

I can assure you a size 12 is definitely NOT in any way shape or form a plus size for a woman of approx 5'4 - 5'8. It also depends on the body shape of the individual and where their fat is distributed.

On a very short woman a 12 may look like a plus size. But on a woman of average height and weight distribution it is perfectly normal.

People also seem to be forgetting muscle mass here. If I lost all visible fat right now, I would still weight too much "medically" due to having a lot of muscle.

You may find that many very athletic people will tend to be technically overweight and/or of large build depsite having very little fat on their bodies.

I would like to take a moment to make a slight clarification of measurements for the sake of this ongoing debate. The models referred to in the articles in this thread are British models, and the clothing sizes quoted are likewise numbered according to the British sizing standard. It is worth noting that a UK size 12 is approximately equivalent to a US size 10, and a UK size 14 corresponds to a US size 12.

Carry on.

That's some pretty relevant information Havelockv, unlike this post.

why do you think i didn't posted anything related to this subject.
I'm sure they will take pleasure on continuing debating about something that i'm not quite sure of as it's an irrelevant debate.

hobnobs anyone?
http://www.jpmq.org/hobnob.gif

I know a lot of bitchy skinny girls too that drive me insane, there's the ones that even tell me I'm eating too much and will get fat, and pick up smoking because they think it makes them thinner. Then there's the ones who know they have a good figure but for some reason love to rip into other people's flaws, especially if someone else gets complimented.

I guess I just hate bitchy people in general.

why don't you have a hobnobs it might make you feel better.
chocolate put a smile on my face.
whenever i'm under the weather or i'm irritated i run to get some chocolate.

Chocolate is GREAT. Especially Dagoba. Nom..





I'm somewhat overweight, could probably stand to lose a bit. It doesn't really bug me. I focus more on eating well and exercising than being a certain weight or jean/dress size.

I'd much rather have someone interested in me because of my personality, not my looks. It goes the other way, too - though I do have my personal aesthetics, I'd still choose personality over looks.

There are more reasons people are overweight than glandular issues. I have a very good friend who had all sort of cancer and she's been on some medication for years. She was able to quit the medication about a month ago and not even trying has lost like 30 pounds.