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HumanePain 12-23-2008 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05
In effect if there were enough of those hardnosed individuals,that hung in until the last,we would see a social tidal wave to the effect of a second civil war,at least in my opinion.

This is the intent our forefathers had in adding the Second Amendment, the last resort to counter tyrannical violence with the people's violence, and so keep tyranny at bay.

KontanKarite 12-23-2008 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar
Why? Do you suck at it or something?
2nd Degree Black Belt, baby. 2nd Degree.
I trained with probably the most harsh and violent Sensei in Scotland, maybe even Britain. He was voilent, but he was a good Sensei and he really taught you how to defend yourself in a fight, and I'm not tlaking about Highschool fights. I'm talking about Street fights.


Really? I love your talk. If I knew someone like you talking some mad shit like this at a tournament, I'd fake my rank just to put you in your place. You'd lose. But it's not from a lack of skill, it's from a lack of intent.

tekajo 12-23-2008 09:39 AM

We've got a few kung-fu masters up in here. i'd like to see Fists of Fury GNet Edition.

To the topic at hand.
i am pro-gun. i don't think everyone should own one though. Some people can't back up their fucking car to get out of the drive-way...no guns for them. It would end messy.

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If you had the chance to be taken to a shooting range by someone that knows what they are doing with firearms,would you take the chance and try it?
That was a daily activity at my grandmother's house when i was growing up.

KontanKarite 12-23-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tekajo
We've got a few kung-fu masters up in here. i'd like to see Fists of Fury GNet Edition.

To the topic at hand.
i am pro-gun. i don't think everyone should own one though. Some people can't back up their fucking car to get out of the drive-way...no guns for them. It would end messy.


That was a daily activity at my grandmother's house when i was growing up.


I know she's full of shit because if it was really hard, she'd be able to do something seemingly less hard like, I don't know, GET A JOB.

Ms.Crowbar 12-23-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite
I know she's full of shit because if it was really hard, she'd be able to do something seemingly less hard like, I don't know, GET A JOB.

I have a fucking job you arsehole.
And I got my Blackbelt fair and square. I went through 5 tournaments and ended up second place in two of them, 3rd in the other three. I trained at Karate for atleast 3 hours every Saturday morning, went home and trained some more. During the week, when I got back from school, I'd go down to the Garage and practise my kicks and punches on my punchbag, then go back upstairs and practice my Kata's in my room.
Do you wanna know how hard it was to get my 1st Degree Blackbelt? By the end of that thing, I collapsed from exhaustion and very nearly passed out. The same happened when I got my 2nd Degree. Then I gave up. Now, I'm hoping to go over to California and train with Jason David Frank. He's my Hero and it would be an honour to train with him, just to see how differently he does things.
Karate ain't easy when it's done right, and it teaches you a fuck load of discipline.
I'd love to see you win in a fight against my Sensei. I really would. He's an 8th Degree Blackbelt in Shoto Khan.

KontanKarite 12-23-2008 11:07 AM

I'm not talking about your sensai, now am I. I'm talking about you, shithead. With as much as you talk, I'll reiterate, I would SO fake my rank just to prove to you that your black strip around your waist means jack and shit.

KontanKarite 12-23-2008 11:40 AM

Ms. Crowbar, I have something for you to read, since you like to fancy yourself a student of war. It is the story of just ONE Medal of Honor recipient of the United States Military. Now, I haven't looked for any stories of the REAL warriors of your country, I find that's more your job.

I would like you to read this link: http://www.medalofhonor.com/RobertBush.htm

Now you want to sit there and tell me that you're in some way a kind of billy badass and yet here you are, giving up in your craft to only 2nd degree black belt at the threat of exhaustion only?

There are people out there that have fought harder and more dangerously than you and I will ever know. So please, tell me where your precious black belt means a damned thing if you had to quit because you were getting too tired?

I've done these tough belt promotions you speak of. They aren't easy. Try to do a belt promotion sometime when you get one of your eyes nearly blinded in the face of real injury and excruciating pain, only to know that at that moment, seeing the end of it, even only half way because of painful blindness, is the only thing that matters to you in the whole world.

And I would NEVER try to lift myself up to the kind of heroism and warriordom that are the fighters of all nations, for good or for bad, that believe that the way of the warrior is nothing more than ultimate sacrifice for the betterment of the people and their countrymen.

I think in that scope, you will realize that you have done NOTHING.

Despanan 12-23-2008 12:06 PM

Kontan once beat me out for the top prize in a tournament.

I'll get you for that you son of a bitch!

Drake:

Kudos man, I'm really enjoying your posts. Well, thought out, well reasoned arguments seem to be few and far between on Gothic.net. Thanks for bunping that number up a bit. :)

KontanKarite 12-23-2008 12:26 PM

But for the sake of the thread. I love gun ranges. I once got to shoot and M60. It was great fun.

Deadmanwalking_05 12-23-2008 12:31 PM

Nothin' says "Vacate The Area" like a belt of 7.62x51mm NATO

Underwater Ophelia 12-23-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar
Why? Do you suck at it or something?

No, because it's annoying for you to constantly bring up karate in a thread that's about guns.
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Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar
I have a fucking job you arsehole.

Charity work is not a job.

my dark anus 12-23-2008 01:16 PM

I am trying to get someone to take me up to a shooting range. I have been instructed to stock up on firearms as soon as possible, but I have no idea how to use them.

Deadmanwalking_05 12-23-2008 01:18 PM

Earlier Ms.Crowbar did come off more as Ms. Chip_on_her_shoulder.

But the past is the past.

Back to the Original Topic.

Where do you live M.D.A.?

Drake Dun 12-23-2008 04:12 PM

Holy crap, dude. Feel the love in this thread! FEEL it!

my dark anus 12-23-2008 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05


Where do you live M.D.A.?

5 minutes from the Alamo. Just knock.

Deadmanwalking_05 12-23-2008 05:23 PM

If only it weren't for the couple or so thousand miles between us I'd be right there.

Jonathan 12-23-2008 06:48 PM

It is cool that you are proud of your karate training. However, there is a reason that modern millitaries are equipped with firearms, and not bo staves or nunchaku.

I bought my glock 17 with my economic stimulus package this last summer. It just seemed like the right thing to do.

I'm hoping to get to the range more this year. I'll be moving back to NH, which is a more reasonable state than MA in terms of promoting individual freedom.

gothicusmaximus 12-23-2008 06:59 PM

The reason the army doesn't have nunchaku is a lack of vision on the part of military officials. I dream of a world in which, when enemy soldiers run out of ammo in their Assault Rifles, they rush each other with nunchucks instead of stopping to reload like pussies.

Jonathan 12-23-2008 07:14 PM

Maybe we could draw up a design where two spare magazines are joined by a chain - then the soldiers can be equally effective at range, or close combat?

Since they wouldn't just be throwing the magazines away and it is like recycling, they could finance wars with the carbon credits. Economic crisis is solved.

ThreeEyesOni 12-23-2008 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan
It is cool that you are proud of your karate training. However, there is a reason that modern millitaries are equipped with firearms, and not bo staves or nunchaku.

Yup, and that reason pretty much boils down to the fact that you can quite literally give just about anyone a gun, tell them "shoot in that direction" and have a competent "unit" in your military force. Firearms, at least in the early times, came into force largely because they were "idiot proof" for warfare. Little to no training for a weapon that can be a one-hit-kill and keep you at a range where a miss might not be absolutely fatal to your men.

Also, most armies in the world are still traned in armed and unarmed combat to some extent because any weapon as complex as a gun is liable to crap the bed on you in the middle of a battlefield.

But that's a big asside...

Godslayer Jillian 12-23-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar
And, in they eyes of a Karate student, the use of weapons to defend yourself is seen as cowardice.

In the eyes of a master pillow fighter, the use of bodily appendages to cause pain rather than submission is seen as cowardice.

KontanKarite 12-23-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
In the eyes of a master pillow fighter, the use of bodily appendages to cause pain rather than submission is seen as cowardice.


Dude, she's a damned idiot.

gothicusmaximus 12-23-2008 09:53 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, behold:

GUNCHAKU

Who could stand against this unstoppable weapon? There could be an additional remote trigger on each gun, which would fire its counterpart. I expect this winning concept to show up in some gnet member's shitty 'manga' , but I'm at peace with that.

Deadmanwalking_05 12-24-2008 04:49 AM

Talk about killing at both ends!

Ms.Crowbar 12-24-2008 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite
Ms. Crowbar, I have something for you to read, since you like to fancy yourself a student of war. It is the story of just ONE Medal of Honor recipient of the United States Military. Now, I haven't looked for any stories of the REAL warriors of your country, I find that's more your job.

I would like you to read this link: http://www.medalofhonor.com/RobertBush.htm

Now you want to sit there and tell me that you're in some way a kind of billy badass and yet here you are, giving up in your craft to only 2nd degree black belt at the threat of exhaustion only?

There are people out there that have fought harder and more dangerously than you and I will ever know. So please, tell me where your precious black belt means a damned thing if you had to quit because you were getting too tired?

I've done these tough belt promotions you speak of. They aren't easy. Try to do a belt promotion sometime when you get one of your eyes nearly blinded in the face of real injury and excruciating pain, only to know that at that moment, seeing the end of it, even only half way because of painful blindness, is the only thing that matters to you in the whole world.

And I would NEVER try to lift myself up to the kind of heroism and warriordom that are the fighters of all nations, for good or for bad, that believe that the way of the warrior is nothing more than ultimate sacrifice for the betterment of the people and their countrymen.

I think in that scope, you will realize that you have done NOTHING.

I hate guns, I hate fighting and will avoid it at all costs and, more specifically...
I HATE WAR! I hate war, I hate Nuclear weapons and I hate what war leads to! Why the fuck do you think I'm a member of Greenpeace and CND? Why the fuck do you think I went to Faslane? To fucking Protest against war and Nuclear weapons! You think I enjoy fighting? By fuck, the first thing that I'll do is walk away from a fight because I don't like fighting. I'll walk away, and only if I get attacked will I fight.
All that being able to win a fight does is attract more fights. You're like a fucking magnet if you win a fight.


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