Ok, whatever. They have a certain style of goth. And gothic sound. I am not saying that they are goth :P And does it really matter anymore? :P Let people have their own opinion about "goth". I have my opinion, you have yours. Peace.

There are opinions and there are facts. When it comes to definitions of things, only facts apply, that's why when you want a definition of something you go to a dictionary, not your best friend in high school. The things that make Goth what it is are facts, not opinions.

Well I'm not here to argue about whats "goth" -_______- If I want want to believe that Evanescene has a gothic sound/style than let me. Please do not try to change my mind. I know that they aren't really "goth" but to me they have that gothic sound/style.

I think Slayer has korean pop tendencies.

SHUT UP, LET ME BELIEVE M OWN STUPID SHIT!

Seriously?

I'm not even gonna bother....Night. Peace.

We gave you the decency of talking to a retard. You can't do the same to a retarded statement?
Is it that you realize that if you were to call my statement retarded, you'd see the stupidity of your own assertion?

Look, I said that they have a sorta gothic sound/style. I did not say that they are GOTH. They have elements of goth in their music. I'm just saying that they have that sorta sound. I'm not here to argue about whats "goth" and whats not. So peace out & have a good night.

"I'm not here to argue what's goth and what's not; I'm just saying the bands I like ARE."

That's grand.

I'm here to argue about what is and isn't goth.

My central thesis is that nothing is goth.

Tier 1: post-punk

Joy Division
Bauhaus
Siouxsie and the Banshees

The definition of goth to some, there was no goth when they produced their most seminal output. All arose around the same time as a reaction to the same thing, we can loosely group them together despite being individually unrelated. Peter Murphy eventually came to embrace the label, but Peter Murphy is a cunt who had a worthless solo career selling pop music to Americans and did a Twilight cameo. You think anyone who enjoyed the hunger is watching Twilight? Twat.

Tier 2: positive punk/batcave

Alien Sex Fiend
Sex Gang Children

These guys are probably more like what goth actually is if anything at all, because the label reputedly gained currency when describing Sex Gang Children fans. Short lived, not massively popular

Tier 3: The Sisters of Mercy

The Sisters of Mercy

Need I say more? I wouldn't even call them post-punk really. Just a rock band. Nothing to do with either of the previous categories. Are they THE definitive gothic rock band, or are they THE definitive not-a-gothic-rock-band? You see the problems we're having?

Tier Z: After the Sisters

I'm not even going to list bands here, they know who they are. Allow me to quote:

Nevertheless this is the era which defines itself as goth rather than being retroactively defined as such by the media. Not all of it is a horrible sisters rip; there are also elements of horrible bauhaus rips and horrible siouxsie rips in there. Devoid of, you know, substance and wit, and evoking as many superficial similarities as possible.

Tier Now: "Industrial?"

Combichrist
VNV Nation
Angelspit

Well I mean industrial is a whole seperate can of worms but these guys seems to me to have more to do with Skinny Puppy than Evanescence have to do with the Banshees. The post-Sisters wannabes seem to have mercifully died off now but this stuff is still being manufactured and played at "goth clubs".

Honorary mention: I rate Interpol and the Strokes in the same broad category as my Tier 1 bands. In terms of captured energy I'd say they have more to do with those than Tier Z bands which shall remain nameless do. Until their fourth albums anyway.

Conclusion:
Goth is not Goth.

No. They have elements of goth in their music :P I am not saying that they are.

And they have elements of k pop too. Shut up, I can believe what I want!

OK, believe what I said is stupid or whatever.

Only on the first 3 albums. They were definitely Visual Kei on Seasons in the Abyss.

try:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w4brCuUt3w

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Ok, I skipped the second page of this. Lots of ranting and not a lot of actual good suggestions for OP. On a note to the arguing - two things:

1. We live in a generation of 'I'm Too ADD for Subculture' where everything is merged into pop-rap crap and that's it. If it's dark and attracts dark, smart and weird folks, let it be 'goth'. Industrial is Industrial and I would consider it its own monster, but lots of things can be considered 'goth', which is more of an attitude than a genre anyway.

2. What's wrong with bands that sound like Sisters? They had a good sound, I wish I could hear more goth rock these days.

I DJ/host a specifically goth and medieval style party, so perhaps I can give a few recommendations?

Faith and the Muse was an obvious good one. Try also, Dead Can Dance, Qntal (not in English, but you can probably find a cool song in them), Black Tape for a Blue Girl, Rasputina, Faun, the Shroud, Rosetta Stone, Inkubus Sukkubus, perhaps also a few songs from the Cruxshadows (not the biggest fan of them myself, but 'Winterborn' remixed by Subway to Sally has a good feel) - and for the symphonic metal, you can't go wrong with a bit of Nightwish. There are more out there, but, it's late and yah, :)