I know exactly what I've said.

I stated my Opinion that they aren't living in Liberty.

What part of that are you having a hard time understanding?

He needs to grow the fuck up,and get over it then because getting all pissy pants won't help him any,but only show how immature he really is.

According to the guy who thinks Americans must be the only liberated people in the world because they have the U.S. Constitution....?

Too bad we Canadians are slaves, I guess I just can't understand liberty like Americans do.

We're all slaves in this world whether it be it unnoticeable or unbearable.
Life comes at a price.

That's your opinion.

Its your opinion, actually.

Were you or were you not stating your opinion of me,as well as my mindset?

No, just paraphrasing. And then mocking in the last bit.

How was it Canada received it's sovereignty and liberty again?

That's right Canada licked the Royals boots,until they were "Granted" Independence.

Meanwhile Americans kicked the Crown out of what is now OUR country.

So I guess you are right in a way,even though you were trying to mock me.

I love my girlfriend.
Potential Threesome on the way.
Hopefully I shoot blanks.
It is my right.

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm sorry Deadmanwalking5.0 did I offend you?

was I supposed to stay on topic?

I saw nothing in the Gnet rules about it...

:(

Well he did...mention...Shooting...

No you didn't offend me,I was just wondering where the hell that came from?

Good for you on talking your GF into a threesome,hope that works out.

He still stayed on topic so that's a +++++

Even if we were anti-gun... that would be people a better reason to sneak a gun somehow....

Me if everyone is not doing it I'd probably do it. Vise versa...

Just fucking tell me why you don't think they live under liberty.
Try that.

Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now for something completely non-different:

Alan: You actually changed my opinions and assumptions, by asking hard questions (of others mostly, not necessarily me directly) and forcing me to think deeper on issues. When you did so, your guiding questions and statements of facts were not venomous, they weren't sugar coated either, but weren't venomous. As a result, I was not distracted by defending my self personally while contemplating the answers to the questions you posed and revelations you made.

But in the case of Deadman, it seems you have lost patience. I know very intelligent people find it insufferable to wait for people of more common intelligence to "catch up", so this is understandable.

But if your long term goal is to win the day, wouldn't it be better to convert him as you did me (on other issues), rather than insult him and thus alienate him further? You do nothing for your cause by addressing him with "What's your IQ?" and "fucking stupid".

Your approach is like leading a horse to water and then whipping it to try and make it drink.

Think of the examples of history's great political leaders: they must have known that the majority of the population beliefs were shallow or misguided by demagogues, yet they remained noble examples of leadership towards noble causes, and thus led a confused, apathetic and misinformed public towards enlightenment. Their causes would not have been helped by hurling their own insults at the misinformed or unenlightened.

By the way, this is not a defense of Deadman. I know the 2nd Amendment defenders very well and their beliefs run very deep.
Rather, I hope to convince you to try a different delivery, because I think your views of issues are well thought out and have the benefit of humanity at the core and thus should be given a better chance at proliferating, and that won't happen with the delivery I see you using in this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty
"Liberty is a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the right to act according to his or her own will.

Individualist and classical liberal conceptions of liberty relate to the freedom of the individual from outside compulsion or coercion."

Technically, Deadman, those in Somalia are at liberty since there are no laws to govern their behaviour. Technically, those in the States are not at absolute liberty because they are governed and restricted in their activities.

Just if we're going to pick about 'liberty'. There is, of course, a difference between positive and negative liberty (certain liberties being actively protected and promoted, or certain liberties existing because they have not been prohibited), but either way citizens of the US are not at complete liberty.

Nor, really, are Somalians as they're lacking in adequate protection for their liberties, but they are still at liberty do whatever they like so long as it is within their power.

You may be quite happy to claim that something is your opinion, but please do understand that being an opinion does not give it special protection. It could also be your opinion that the Sun is a giant hologram, but that would not be true either, and we would be free to pick at it as well.
Perhaps what you meant to say was "in my opinion, my liberties as a citizen of the United States are greater than the liberties of an individual in lawless Somalia", perhaps you would even have gone on to explain that "this is because as a US citizen, I have protections over my rights and liberties that Somalians do not. While I may lack some rights they technically have, I am in practice able to exercise far more liberty than they are thanks to this protection of my remaining liberties."

Fallout 3!

I dunno; if you find yourself in non-military-related situations that require those kinds of self-defense methods to be used on a regular basis, then perhaps it's time to move into a nicer neighborhood. x_x;;;

To be honest, with the way my emotions tend to run dangerously high at times and the fact that I'm not especially graceful, it's probably best that I -don't- know how to use a firearm; I wouldn't want to be responsible for accidentally mortally wounding someone I love.

And that's the thing. Anyone picking up a gun can throw the "accidentally" statement out the window since they are holding a device that has been designed with the sole purpose of killing something.

Upon re-reading this thread, I would like to formally apologise to Alan for my posts made here a few months ago.

If I remember correctly, those were made at the height of our feud, and were a little vitriollic, even by my standards.

It's a bit hazy, but I think I may have jumped in here and missed the pages of conversation beforehand, thus lacking context, I think I misunderstood Alan's point and accidentally manufactured an argument that didn't exist.

My bad guy. Carry on.

Yah I as well, went all out bersirk on this issue...my moms cousin got shot in the head by her husband while he was drunk...my sentiments have slightly changed since then.

Exactly. My luck, I'd trip and shoot myself in the face or something.