I didn't ask you for shit.

Because I am a victim.

Seriously. I didn't ask you for shit. I'd actually get mad if you tried to shower me with praise and glory. See this thread for proof.My choices didn't effect you, but your choices effect me every day.

Bullshit. That entire beginning statement was dripping with sarcasm and insincerity, and now you're trying to back pedal like it was genuine?

Oh. So you dismissing our experience and making yourself out to be the victim in this is a pet issue, huh? How rude of us. Nobody would be outraged by that at all!

It's small and insignificant to you, but for you to bring it up is like a slap in the fucking face to us. We're completely right to be pissed.

It is a big deal.

I'll bold every instance where you render that statement insincere and false with contradictions up to thisa point.

Yes. Because being poor for you is exactly the same as being a person of color or being poor for other people.

You don't owe us shit but the time it takes you to listen to us and understand how fucking wrong you are.

Then stop acting like one.

It was your choice to join the military. No matter how you spin it, that was your choice. Don't blame anybody for it.

Don't fucking tell us how to respond to something you have no fucking understanding of.

You're not giving me anything but a crash course in anger management.

This is my favorite.
Straw man, much? Thanks for the stereotype, brother.

So, I want to ask everybody who reads this to be honest: Have you ever seen me discriminate somebody because they were never in the military?

Fuck you. I wish I could just walk away from oppression when it makes me angry still pretend that I'm not privileged for it.

By the way, the gun argument is still in your court from page 3. You're free to respond to it.

Its never too early to be reasonable.

Yo, KissMeDeadly.

I'll go easy on you. I'll just accept an apology for your dickitude. I'm not too sure about Versus though. You may have just crossed the Rubicon on that one.

I'm not taking what's in my sig out for quite a while though.

KMD's lack of response clearly indicates that he is at his local wounded warrior project volunteering all of his time.

All of his time.

See what I did there?

By the way, before you even start, no, I don't think all veterans are pieces of shit, just the ones who come back who cause huge scenes screaming at coffee shop waitresses who fucked your order up because you FOUGHT FOR THEIR FREEDOM! The ones I despise are the ones who rub it in everybody's faces that they went to war, and expect super special treatment and rolling out the red fucking carpet every time they walk down the street.

For the record, I've never had a veteran scream at me or be rude in all the time I worked(minus the few years I was a stay at home mom). I've seen people with horrible burn scars, arms blown off, legs blown off and bullet wounds in the back of their skulls that affect their memory still. Not once have I ever been screamed at or had someone yell about wanting special treatment because they were veterans. Just sayin'.

Also, Tennessee is the 'deep south'?

Sorry, I never get to respond to this shit when it's active because of work and school. :(

You could have fooled me.

In Ireland we had like 12 gun deaths last year and in the UK they had like 40.

So thats two countries with a combine total of about 70 MILLION people and a total number of gun deaths around 50 TOTAL.

NYC alone has what? Over 12,000 a YEAR? America has close to 60,000 a year if you don't include suicide and accidents (then the number jumps to about 100,000).

I would argue spree shooters are not happening in places where guns are more strictly monitored.

In Ireland and the UK guns are not illegal as many think. You can join a gun club and then legally buy weapons, just not handguns. You have to fill out lots of forms and get permission from the government, in a manner similar to what people in America do for a concealed weapons permit. They also come by your home once a year to check on your gun and see your shooting log which tracks the ammo you purchase (you by law must keep a log of all rounds spent).

Some say that this system is an attack on the rights of gun owners, and that once they get a list of gun owner names it's a short step to taking them away...

...yet the Supreme Court just ruled that Americans must carry papers with them at all times else they may be stopped by the police and asked for their 'papers please', and the same crowd complaining about stricter gun laws have no problem with this.

I'm glad to say I live in a country with sensible gun laws where the right people have guns, hunters can still hunt, and I don't have to worry about being stopped and arrested for not having my 'papers' with me.

And you could back that argument up with any kind of example of successful models for gun laws like the UK and Ireland's, and it still wouldn't destroy this stupid sense of entitlement that Americans have to own a gun for nothing more then shits and giggles.

It's pretty simple, really. If somebody is against stricter gun laws, then they don't give a rat's ass about the gun-related violence in this country and selfishly put their wants in higher priority then people's safety.

I couldn't have said it better.

Another thing I like to point out is Waco and Ruby Ridge. Both horrible atrocities committed by the US government, but the point was very clear. You can own a gun, but if it gets to the point the government thinks you may be taking the founders intentions to heart and are attempting to use guns against the government, then they will send in tanks and the military to take away your guns.

People think because they own a gun they are somehow 'safe' from the government as it somehow magically keeps them in check.

You of all people can tell us, how many armed insurgents have you run into over there? How well did their guns work for them when they went up against the US military.

To sum up, you can own as many guns as you want, but you still won't be able to run a successful campaign against a well financed military. So the argument people make about the second amendment and defending freedom is nothing more than a fools dream.

Completely, utterly false, to an exaggeratedly ignorant degree.

12,000 gun murders a year equals over 30 gun murders per day. In one city? If that were true there'd be bodies piling up on the streets.

In 2010 there were only 517 fireams related deaths in the ENTIRE STATE of NY.

12,996 Murders NATIONWIDE, with approximately 65% of those being from firearms (8,775). That's down by approximately 7% from 2009, and crime is on a continuous downslide nationwide, (largely credited to the record-setting increase in gun sales since 2008).

Source: http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

There are an estimated 330 MILLION people in the U.S., making the total murders in 2010 less than a fraction of 1%, and less than that for gun murders.

Compare that to the UK where gun-related crimes have increased by 89% in the last 10 years, with 28 gun crimes committed per day, and then compare the populations of the UK and the US, and see which country's citizens are safer.

source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...every-day.html

source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

Wow that's stupid

Source: http://www.atf.gov/statistics/

This site estimates that there are approx. 88.8 civilian gun owners per 100 people in the US and gives dozens of statistics for numerous countries.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

How do I defeat your entire argument in five words or less?


Oh, I know.


*Ahem*


Correlation does not imply causation

I thought deviant ragequit?

Anyway Alan, this is the guy who thinks reading a lot of books is equivalent to a university degree.

Correlation does not necessarily mean causation, correct. Just call it irony then.

Still, I'd rather have the means to defend myself than sit around waiting for a government drone to do it for me, who may or may not show up on time, if at all, and the 2nd amendment grants me that right.

"Gun free zones" are unconstitutional. That means illegal, and the US Supreme Court has upheld that point TWICE in the last few years, just in case anyone wasn't clear on the issue.

I never actually said that, but I guess that would depend a lot on the "university" the degree is from. Considering there are no uniform rules, laws or criteria a school must meet in order to call itself a university today, the whole issue is speculative at best.

You know universities are accredited, right, and if you don't go to an accredited school that degree or diploma is pretty much useless?

Also, good luck shooting drones down with your handgun!

Sternn, did you just say that US operations were successful? The sky must be falling.

Its always precious when someone who ran away crying a while ago comes back to allege we're the ones still butthurt. And we got two in one day!

But I AM butthurt. He was mean to me even though I'M A GOD DAMN VETERAN. It's not supposed to happen. D:

Military operations of course. With that amount of funding how could they fail?

Of course that has nothing to do with the long term peace nor the 'hearts and minds' if you will. That's a whole different story sure.

In a military conflict spending on weapons and training will win battles, but you can still easily lose the war. Just like one gun is no good against one hundred guns, one hundred guns are no good against one idea.

But that's a story for a different thread.

Oh yes, I sat in a corner and sobbed for days. All I could think was "People said mean things to me on the INTERNET and then tried to PROVE ME WRONG

Woe is me. My entire life was shattered in just a few short days.

pffff

Don't worry about it, I just thought the way it sounded was funny.

So what makes you think that we're butthurt? You're not exactly the person who stayed to hash it out, so I'm inclined to agree with Saya.

Maybe it's because I decide to come back to this fail ass thread and find you've made two huge ass posts outlining everything that offends you, like I should be sorry about it.

That's probably why I think you're butthurt.