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Originally Posted by Solumina
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As I said in most societies there is wiggle room for gender rolls. I'm having a hard time thinking of a true hunter-gather society where both men and women don't take part in child rearing and hunting (that usually starts up when there are crops and/or animals that must be tended), I'm also having a very hard time thinking of one that wouldn't be happy that a woman wants to bring in more food if she is capable of doing so.
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In certain societies women aren't allowed to do certain things at all (one thing that comes to mind is that in Australia women are not allowed to touch a didgeridoo) and in many if not most societies there are gender roles with different levels of wiggle room as you suggest, but precious few were egalitarian, while there are some in which women are the hunters, mostly its man the hunter and woman the gatherer. And despite the fact that most hunter gatherers get most of their meals from gathering, it is usually always men who are the authority figures.
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You are saying that people can't do different things and have those things be equal by comparing it to segregation where different people were not allowed to use the same version of the same things. I'm saying that having expectations based on your gender doesn't necessarily make you a second class citizen, it can but it doesn't have to.
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Only in the sense that if someone chooses what you're going to do for the rest of your life, it might not be necessarily bad, but it still wasn't your choice. And they based this choice on whats between your legs. It does make you a second class citizen in the sense of that you are less than an individual, you are merely a representative of your sex and are being pushed into a gender binary that doesn't really exist. The minute you impose gender roles of course it is sexist and robs that person of their individuality.
That said, there are aboriginal groups that to this day are cool with gender bending, and its too hard to say what was the norm of every group of people before agriculture and civilization began.
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