I was just looking for it! : )

And there's another on my profile page.

*wonders if she'll get a copy of JCC's book*

Yes I know. I look thinner.

Saw your profile picture. Appears to be an age gap between the two pictures. Profile pic being more recent? I have to say that you look good, and give off this crazy-happy-fun vibe. Total turn on. I'd totally want to hang out, and get plastered with you.

Well, not really. The one I posted on the pic thread was taken four months ago, and the profile one was taken 10 days ago. However, you're right, the profile pic is more recent! : )

Yes, you could say I am crazy-happy-fun in my gloomy-goth-self-destructiveness. [I love oxymorons].

All you have to do is hop on a plane. I know a couple of great places where we could go and get hammered!

Being happy with your body really is the most important accessory, honestly I wish I had your confidence, though some days I get pretty close then for some reason I go back to thinking that my ass, legs, and stomach all desperately need to be toned (Howl-O-Scream has really toned up my legs so I feel that they look better but now they ache from being over used every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday so I actually feel less healthy) *blech* body image issues are damn annoying.

Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.

This just became my new signature. Like it?

Thats an old saying XD

Ooops... : o

I hadn't heard of it... Well, I like it anyway. I'll keep it for a while.

: )

Can't take credit for it, but I'm still flattered somehow. =)

I'm a size 18 and I can leg it up the stairs without being out of breath. I may be losing weight but I don't actually have to be thin to be able to do that.

I get tired just walking to my car....

Walking 5 miles home in an hour , every night 3-4 times a week used to tire me out when I first started working where I am now, as it is a very mixed route with regards to the many uphills and downhills, but now I can march that at a quick pace and I'm barely out of breath at all when I get home. My legs ache a bit but that's all. Sometimes I have a Friday off and get the bus for a change, and I do catch the bus on Mondays to save my energy for my aerobics class. I also go for a walk over the fields most weekends ( often a Sunday ).

That's good for you, I really mean that. I can only really speak from my own experience of being overweight (and yes, I was REALLY overweight,a UK size 24 in fact) Obviously, you are a lot healthy than I was when I was large. I don't wish to disrespect you or anyone else for their weight, I just find personally, that I feel better being thinner than I was.

As I said, I made a much better argument and had to rewrite it after my internet clapped out on me as soon as I hit reply. Life's a bitch.

How do you know that they aren't happy? None of us know them, we wont know until you or I walk up to his wife and say "are you happy?".
This is a pointless argument, one of us is wrong but unless we find a mysterious way to contact his wife and get her to honestly answer that question we will never know.
I didn't think those things because I don't like to make assumptions based on prejudice.

Perfection IS impossible. First of all, are you defining perfection by what is perfect according to what the general public assume? or by what is perfect for individuals according to their own terms?
Secondly, people are fundamentally flawed and bad and good things happen to everybody, anything can happen to someone during their lifetime, perfection is not long term because any number of external influences can shatter it. You can't be completely in control all the time, it's just not possible.

I think it was really great that someone finally realised that size zero is unhealthy, unnatural and disgusting. 12 and 14 are not big sizes, they're average.

You didn't read the thread, did you? We came to the clear conclusion that size 12 is a big size.

12 is not big! It's horrible how everyone's made to feel they eat too much or that they're fat by people saying a 12 is big! If you ask me an 8 is border-line un-healthy (although sometimes it's natural). I'm a 14 and I take offence at that!

What the fuck do I care if you take offence at being told the truth?

It's not the truth. Do you have any idea how many teenage girls have been turned anorexic or bolaemic (how the hell do you spell that?) by being told they're fat because they're a size 12 or 14?

If someone turns anorexic then that is a shame, sure. But it doesn't mean that size 12 and 14 are average sizes.

You can't find a fucking middle gound?
The fact that you say 8 (8!!) is 'borderline unhealthy' just tells us you know shit about health and you just want the world to be as fat as you so you won't feel bad anymore.

Do you realize how many perfectly healthy girls who just happen to be size 6 or 8 are told they are anorexic and too thin just because they happen to be naturally slim? Ok, on some people a size 12 looks fine, a 14 is still a big size though even this size looks different on individual people based on their build and their height. Don't start the whole *calling people fat makes them anorexic* bullshit because anorexia is a far more complex illness than that, well, it is from what I understand about it.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...compromise.jpg

^ Doesn't work like that with him.

Alan, shut up. You don't know what fat is.

I'm guessing that you're a pretty good example.

I'm finding it very hard to believe that people still actually give a fuck what's considered fat and what isn't.

Once you pass a certain height it is unhealthy. If your only about 5 foot tall then being a size 8 is normal, but being 6 foot tall and still being a size 8 is unhealthy, you need weight to support yourself. And if 14 isn't average how come the only sizes that are ever left are 12 and below and 16 and above? It's infuriating! Also, calling people fat hardly helps. Although it works in reverse with me. I never actually said that causes anorexia, but it is proven to be a major contributing factor to the causes. I was in some shop or other the other day, I can't remember where, but it was one of those places where the clothes are sized S to XL. I think it's just plain unfair that an XL is the equivelant of a 14 (also it wasn't fair that all the XLs were gone in the skirt I liked). The media is implying that 14 is too big to be healthy and that we should all eat less. I'd rather eat my chocolate and be considered fat then sarve and be considered atractive

Be happy with your fatness, that is fine, but it doesn't make a 12 average and it doesn't make you healthy.

Personally I am in excellent shape, it takes quite a lot to make me even the slightest bit winded, I am well within the percentage range for body fat, I have excellent cardiovascular health, and to top it off I have rather large, lovely breasts. Yet at 5'6 I'm a size 4, call me unhealthy all you want if that makes you feel better but it simply isn't the case.

It's the average size going by average height/weight. I don't like being a size 14, but if I was a size 8 I wouldn't look nice at all. I'm happy for you about being a size 4, your lucky, obviously your body fat is distributed evenly. I'm just saying that people starving themselves to achieve that isn't healthy.

That's just it, I'm not. I know many fat people and they're cooler than you :) Lame nerdy looking fudgemonkey...

Besides, I thought size 12 UK wasn't fat? This is pointless anyways JCC you hold a grudge for far too long, lol foureyes lolol.

does it matter..............
it can go on and on..........
http://images.nymag.com/images/2/dai...ka_250x395.jpg

http://www.goodlife.com.ng/uploads/Y...fat-people.jpg

who care!
they are far more important things in life than fucking size 12/fat.....
and all the rest.

I'd like to make it clear to everyone that I'm talking about UK sizing, I've no idea how European or US sizing works

repeat after me fucking mode...
same story ,different person.

Uh... what? So you've actively made the descision that eating chocolate is more important to you than being attractive and you're mad that no one caters to your size... oh... but you just said that they DO carry your size. But you don't like that you're wearing the biggest size. What the fuck? We should be eating less. I should be eating less, and it's a work in progress that never would have happened for me if I hadn't gone to thereapy. I've lost weight recently and I feel great, but a lot of bad eating habits form as a result of what your parents taught you and as a reaction to an emotional disorder.


I'm tired of the fat acceptance movement turning into making OCD overeating and other forms of emotional eating look healthier than anorexia or bullemia. I think it's funny that noone seems to realize that the root of compulsive overeating is the same as the root of anorexia and neither are healthy.


There are plenty of healthy weights in the MIDDLE- size 8 is fucking unhealthy? What world are you living in?

UK sizes are about one size smaller than US sizes as this thread has mostly been about UK sizes that is the size that I gave, in other words I'm a US 2 but a UK 4, I don't know about European sizing.

What do shoe sizes have to do with clothing sizes?

I'm not even kidding here Solumina, but in a "normal" ( as in not alternative, I am unsure of alternative sizes as they use inches for waist measurements , not 8, 10 12 ect ) clothes store over here, such as River Island for example, or Jane Norman , you wouldn't find anything to fit you . They don't carry sizes in UK 4 to my knowledge ( I have to go into these stores a lot with very slim friends when shopping)

The smallest you'd find here is an 8, possibly, just possibly a 6 and those are not often seen.

No joke, you'd have to go into the childrens section to find clothes to fit you.

US sizing may possibly be more than one size down from ours.

It isn't. It's an average size along with a 14. A UK 16 is where the plus sizing starts. Stores here don't often even stock size 16 in the plus size sections which I think they should. You won't find a 12 or 14 in the plus size sections of stores here.

OK, let's talk about feet.

Shoe size 5, big or small?

well enough is enough and the way people still goes on about sizes and argue over it is stupid .
that's why i wanted to talk about shoes sizes.
you don't understand the trouble that some people have when it come to picking a new pair of shoes.

i'm size 5 and i'm quite happy with it.
i think it's a descent size.

I was just being ironic, creature.

i was being sarcastic

No, most people are larger than I am and therefor it can be difficult for me to find clothing that fits properly in your average mass market clothing store, and even then when the tag says 2 that doesn't always mean that it is an actual two. If I go to more of a high end establishment or to a boutique it is amazing how much easier it is to find clothing that is the my size.


The average girth is growing and clothing stores aren't stupid, they know that women are more likely to buy clothing if it isn't in the plus section and if the the number is smaller, that is why you are starting to find so many lines of clothing that have sizes that deviate greatly from the norm (I believe bridal shops are the worst offenders, I'm a 00 at most that I have been to, a difference of two full sizes, and even so many of them would have needed to be taken in) and why you find sizes 12 and up in the regular sections. This sad attempt at boosting sales by boosting egos doesn't mean that the fashion industry and other clothing stores need to reconsider what it means to be plus sized.

No it's pretty much been that way here for as long as I can recall, certainly since I started shopping for myself when I was 12 or so, and most likely before that as well. It isn't a recent occurrance to boost sales.

design your own fucking clothes then you won't have that problem.

I honestly don't know when the inflation of sizes started (and I never said that it was recent) as most of my clothing is SML type sizing but I know that I have seen 12-20s in with the non plus sizes (I think we can all agree that a size 20 is a plus size) so to me the fact that it can be found outside of the plus section doesn't mean much. Every plus sized store that I have been in (I do help friends shop after all) carries size 10 (UK 12), there is no motive for them to have a size that isn't a plus size, there really aren't women who want to go to plus sized shops to buy their clothes, so why the hell would they all carry something that isn't actually a plus size?

Oddly enough I've not been in a plus size store here and seen anything below a 16. Seriously.