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Azura Mistryl 03-31-2008 03:58 PM

Good Vampire Show?
 
I've gotten really into Vampire shows lately, but I've run out of shows to watch. I've already seen all of the Moonlight Episodes and I just finished Blood Ties (though I am still trying to find the Blood Ties books...).

Does anyone have suggestions to help me satisfy this addiction?

KontanKarite 03-31-2008 04:04 PM

Vampire Hunter D.

Blood: The Last Vampire

Johnny Gnar Gnar 03-31-2008 05:00 PM

Vampire Hunter D, well, the first one, is one of my favorite movies.

Lolly PopMuzik 03-31-2008 06:11 PM

Movie-wise: Near Dark, Blade 1 (maybe 2 and 3 if you're not picky and haven't gotten spoilers), Habit, Innocent Blood, Mark of the Vampire, Blacula, London After Midnight, Dracula's Daughter, Vampyros Lesbos
Show-wise: Forever Knight, Dark Shadows and MAYBE Blade: The Series (only ones that come to mind aside from the obvious Buffy and Angel)

IsolatedReptile 03-31-2008 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lolly PopMuzik
Movie-wise: Near Dark, Blade 1 (maybe 2 and 3 if you're not picky and haven't gotten spoilers), Habit, Innocent Blood, Mark of the Vampire, Blacula, London After Midnight, Dracula's Daughter, Vampyros Lesbos
Show-wise: Forever Knight, Dark Shadows and MAYBE Blade: The Series (only ones that come to mind aside from the obvious Buffy and Angel)

Beat me to the Dark Shadows. I'd definitely recommend that one as well.

Azura Mistryl 04-01-2008 11:21 AM

I've started watching vampire Hunter D and my friend lent me Blood + So i will start watching that when I get home....I can't wait!

gothicusmaximus 04-01-2008 11:28 AM

How did Kindred: the Embraced possibly allude mention?

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_High

chelseagirl 04-03-2008 02:58 PM

My favorite cancelled vampire TV shows would be

Kindred: the Embraced
Ultraviolet (the UK series)
Buffy
Angel
Forever Knight

I've heard Johnny Depp is remaking some form of Dark Shadows

There's a gay vampire show on some channel called "the Lair", but I've never seen it yet.

Are you looking for a "series" type of thing, or stand alone movies also?

gothicusmaximus 04-07-2008 05:53 AM

the new Hammer Films is premiering an internet serial called 'Beyond the Rave'.
www.beyondtherave.com

JCC 04-16-2008 01:40 PM

Buffy and Angel. The only television you'll ever need.

The Obsidian Raven 05-24-2008 03:55 PM

Hellsing of course, Vampire hunter D and the second Bloodlust are both awesome, Vampire Kinight

ThreeEyesOni 05-24-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus
How did Kindred: the Embraced possibly allude mention?

Because it was horrible.

The only good vampire-based show that I've found has been Forever Knight. I think that one was quite good on all levels. Buffy/Angel are obvious ones, but they're really more "super-teen" shows, with Angel being the "super-college-student" version.

Vampires on film are kind of hard to portray in ways other than Blade, From Dusk Till Dawn and the like. If you want to use a vampire as something other than the monster of the film, then you have to take a damn lot of time to set up who/what/where/why the vampire is. Books do this very well, but movies simply don't have enough time for this.

Cassidy from the comic Preacher is a nice one to check out. Last Blood is a webcomic that was recently picked up for a movie; the general plot is that the world has been destroyed by zombies within the past month, and the last humans are being protected by vampires. The new version of Salem's Lot seemed quite good. There are a few rarer ones out there; Blood & Doughnuts is worth watching if you ever get a chance.

gothicusmaximus 05-24-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThreeEyesOni
The only good vampire-based show that I've found has been Forever Knight. I think that one was quite good on all levels. Buffy/Angel are obvious ones, but they're really more "super-teen" shows, with Angel being the "super-college-student" version.

Angel wasn't in college... he was a private investigator. Buffy became a super-college-student around Season Four.

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Vampires on film are kind of hard to portray in ways other than Blade, From Dusk Till Dawn and the like.
You mean in a way other than as ravening hordes of canon fodder for the hero(es) to destroy? What about, I don't know... Dracula?

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If you want to use a vampire as something other than the monster of the film, then you have to take a damn lot of time to set up who/what/where/why the vampire is. Books do this very well, but movies simply don't have enough time for this.
What a silly generalization. What about George A. Romero's Martin? What about recent Tribeca Film Festival hit Let The Right One In? What about the hardly exceptional but entirely adequate Interview With The Vampire?

ThreeEyesOni 05-24-2008 05:12 PM

I didn't mean that Angel was in college, more referring to the differences in tone between the two shows. And yeah, I'm generalizing, mostly because I was trying to be brief.

Dracula, Let The Right One In, and Interview With The Vampire are all movies versions of successful books that (which the exception of Let The Right One In, which I have only barely heard about before now) bad been long-standing and highly developed over years. Dracula was written 35 years before it was made into a film, and it was 100 years before Bram Stoker's Dracula was made; while the classic version is a classic, I don't think it did the story nearly as much justice as the more recent one.

My point being that (when created from scratch) movies, television shows and written fiction are all designed (with a few exceptions) in rather different methods. Of the three, a movie is the hardest one to try and bring across radically different ideas. Vampires have a pretty strong sterotype in fiction (on an unrelated note: one of these days I'd like to do a vampire movie with the vampire is a tradidional floating corpse with it's power in a hat, or maybe a floating chinese head trailing entrails from the stump. just to make people go "gwuh? that's a vampire?"), but there is still a certain amount of explanation needed to show how they work in your setting (for instance: name me 5 vampire movies that don't have some variation on the explanation/questioning about sunlight/garlic/holy water/etc).

The best/best known (certainly not one and the same, but there's a good amount of overlap) vampire movies have been based on these long narratives which have allready put a clear picture in both the readers' and the director's eye. Most good scripts don't actually have much of this narrative wording (anything that isn't a character's actions/dialog/etc) because the film isn't going to read the character's mind.

I'm rambling...

My point is that for every Dracula (or for that matter Dead and Loving it (one of my favorite under-rated films) or Vampire in Brooklyn) there are a half-dozen Blades (it will be a sad day when there are literally a half-dozen Blade movies) and the like, and I still stand by the fact that it is harder to make a good non-vampire-monster/mook movie than it is to write a book of the same sort.

gothicusmaximus 05-24-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThreeEyesOni
Dracula, Let The Right One In, and Interview With The Vampire are all movies versions of successful books that (which the exception of Let The Right One In, which I have only barely heard about before now) bad been long-standing and highly developed over years.

As you noted later, all vampire movies draw from a tradition, these movies are hardly unique for this reason.

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Dracula was written 35 years before it was made into a film, and it was 100 years before Bram Stoker's Dracula was made; while the classic version is a classic, I don't think it did the story nearly as much justice as the more recent one.
I'm sorry, I generally like your posts and appreciate your interest in film, but this statement made me say "What the fuck?" out loud. Coppola's Dracula may have incorporated more minutae that earlier incarnations excluded-- the character of Quincy Morris for instance-- but it was absolutely contrary to the essence of Stoker's novel. Indeed, Browning's Dracula is more 'Bram Stoker's' than the 1992 film, which takes enormous liberties with the source material in transforming the eponymous vampire from a soulless, bloodthirsty abomination into a pitiable, love-sick romantic hero, whose main ambition is not to prey upon the people of london but to court Mina. This scene embodies everything that's wrong with Bram Stoker's Dracula. Read the comments and observe teenagers and lonely housewives alike professing that they've love to date Dracula.


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My point being that (when created from scratch) movies, television shows and written fiction are all designed (with a few exceptions) in rather different methods. Of the three, a movie is the hardest one to try and bring across radically different ideas. Vampires have a pretty strong sterotype in fiction (on an unrelated note: one of these days I'd like to do a vampire movie with the vampire is a tradidional floating corpse with it's power in a hat, or maybe a floating chinese head trailing entrails from the stump. just to make people go "gwuh? that's a vampire?"), but there is still a certain amount of explanation needed to show how they work in your setting (for instance: name me 5 vampire movies that don't have some variation on the explanation/questioning about sunlight/garlic/holy water/etc).
That movies has less 'room' in which to develop new ideas is definitely a valid point. However, the vast majority of contemporary films are adapted from some property, and all are designed such that one who has never read the book can understand them. My point was that many good films, despite that to do this is more challenging than it would be to a novelist, have managed to depict vampires as something 'other than just a monster', and not merely because they adapted from books.

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The best/best known (certainly not one and the same, but there's a good amount of overlap) vampire movies have been based on these long narratives which have allready put a clear picture in both the readers' and the director's eye. Most good scripts don't actually have much of this narrative wording (anything that isn't a character's actions/dialog/etc) because the film isn't going to read the character's mind.
A script doesn't really require an extensive interior monologue on the part of a given character or overt exposition to avow to the audience that their preconceptions concerning vampires are inaccurate. Even in 'Blade', Whistler remarks "Crosses don't do squat!". A member of the vampire gang in The Lost Boys mocks the Frog brothers with "Garlic don't work", only to begin sizzling as the two counter "What about holy water?". In Horror of Dracula, Van Helsing replies to Arthur Holmwood's question as to whether vampires can transform into wolves and bats with "that's a common fantasy". Indeed, you're correct that movies which reveal such information through dialogue or action are superior to those which indulge in extensive exposition-- Like Bram Stoker's Dracula, wherein Dracula tells us, in voiceover, something to the effect of "Contrary to popular belief, vampires can walk in sunlight, but we are not at the height of our power."

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My point is that for every Dracula (or for that matter Dead and Loving it (one of my favorite under-rated films) or Vampire in Brooklyn) there are a half-dozen Blades (it will be a sad day when there are literally a half-dozen Blade movies)
Ehhh... that's just not true. The 'undead, blood-drinking feudal lord with power over the fog and beasts of the earth' still is, for most, the 'classic vampire'. The "LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU A THOUSAND VAMPIRES" movie has definitely risen to prominence as of late, but that incarnation of the monster still has much catching up to do to Browning's classic and its countless imitators. The character of Dracula alone appears in more films than any single character, excepting Sherlock Holmes.

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I still stand by the fact that it is harder to make a good non-vampire-monster/mook movie than it is to write a book of the same sort.
Definitely, making a movie whose cosmology is contrary to the preconceptions of the audience is certainly harder than creating one which accords with them, but movies of the former sort tend to be more interesting and exciting. This, combined with the fact that making a good movie is hard period, ensures that there are as many quality non-traditional vampire movies as there are traditional ones, which was my original argument.

ThreeEyesOni 05-24-2008 06:49 PM

Last Blood is probably the only upcoming vampire film that I'm looking forward to, due to the originality of the plot (Though I can think of one other movie that used some similar mechanics. Then again, I hate that bloody hack of a director, and the movie sucked.). 30 Days of Night (barring some aspects of the movie) was also a nice bit of originality.

I'd like to see a TV series based on the Anita Blake novels, only without all the damn erotica. I have a running notion (mostly a comical one) that female writers of vampire fiction inevitably slip into an erotica style.

Crimson is a vampire comic book that I was trying to remember earlier; unfortunately it was canceled a few years ago. It's worth checking out.

As for the little back-and-forth; my only real point is that the good "traditional" vampire movies (as opposed to vampires that are akin to "fast zombies") tend to be made from existing novels. In fact most of the traditional-style ones that I can think of were based on novels, wereas I can't think of any of the other type (the so-called "LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU A THOUSAND VAMPIRES") that was based on a novel. Blade is the closest that I can think of, and that's a really weird/bad example.

Oh, and if I ever have to watch Jon Bon Jovi and "'Eddie Winslow" from Family Values fight vampires again I'm going to have to bite someone.

gothicusmaximus 05-24-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThreeEyesOni
As for the little back-and-forth; my only real point is that the good "traditional" vampire movies (as opposed to vampires that are akin to "fast zombies") tend to be made from existing novels. In fact most of the traditional-style ones that I can think of were based on novels, wereas I can't think of any of the other type (the so-called "LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU A THOUSAND VAMPIRES") that was based on a novel. Blade is the closest that I can think of, and that's a really weird/bad example.

Well, I don't believe you're correct, given that Blade-style vampires have only become popular in the last decade or so while traditional style vampires have prevailed for nearly a century, but the point is moot. Whether a movie is based on a book is entirely irrelevant to the quality of the film, as all adaptations are designed to be totally comprehensible and enjoyable to people who haven't read whatever novel on which they happen to be based. If films were only targeted at the literate, well, the American motion picture industry would not be the lucrative enterprise that it is.
A good example of a LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU A THOUSAND VAMPIRES movie adapted from a novel would be last year's I Am Legend. The 'Bon Jovi' movies, or John Carpenter's Vampires series, are also loosely adapted from a book.

Lolly PopMuzik 05-25-2008 01:49 AM

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Oh, and if I ever have to watch Jon Bon Jovi and "'Eddie Winslow" from Family Values fight vampires again I'm going to have to bite someone.

Link to IMDB or it never happened (unless you have your actors mixed up :P)

Seeing that clip made me want to see Browning's version all over again, I wanna kick myself for missing it on AMC.

L'Oiseau Noir 05-25-2008 02:16 AM

Hmmm... I'll see if I can name a few.


Anime:

1) Tsukuyomi Moonphase

2) Karin

3) Shingetsutan Tsukihime

4) Rosario + Vampire

5) Vampire Knight

6) Nightwalker

7) Vampire Princess Miyu

8) Master of Mosquiton

I highly recommend Nightwalker, Shingetsutan Tsukihime, Tsukuyomi Moonphase, and Karin to start yourself off with.

Now, that's all I can think of in that department. To the movies!

Movies:

1) Bram Stoker's Dracula

2) Dracula (with Bela Lugosi [I thought it was superb])

3) The Hunger

4) Interview with a Vampire

5) John Carpenter's Vampires (Not that great either, but I don't watch too many vampire flicks)

6) Dracula: Dead and Loving it (It's a Mel Brook's film, but it's hilarious)

7) The Lost Boys

8) Embrace of the Vampire (I couldn't watch it all, it was too sexual for me)

9) From Dusk 'Til Dawn (though I thought it sucked)

10) Underworld/Underworld: Evolution


That's it. Most of the movies on that list sucks, so I'll save you the trouble of naming the ones I liked the most: Dracula: Dead and Loving it, The Hunger, Dracula (featuring Bela Lugosi), Interview with a Vampire, Bram Stoker's Dracula, The Lost Boys, and Underworld (I liked the first one better than its sequel, though the second wasn't bad).

Have fun! :D

Mir 05-25-2008 03:55 AM

Doctor Ackula!

ThreeEyesOni 05-25-2008 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lolly PopMuzik
Link to IMDB or it never happened (unless you have your actors mixed up :P)

Seeing that clip made me want to see Browning's version all over again, I wanna kick myself for missing it on AMC.

Here. The lead star is Jon Bon Jovi, and one of the co-stars is Darius McCrary (aka Eddie). It is horribly sad.

Edit: Oh, and "Eddie" essentially gets turned into a vampire through oral sex. Stay classy, vampire hunters! :D

gothicusmaximus 05-25-2008 12:09 PM

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London After Midnight

Wasn't this film lost?

Lolly PopMuzik 05-25-2008 01:55 PM

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Edit: Oh, and "Eddie" essentially gets turned into a vampire through oral sex. Stay classy, vampire hunters! :D

Wow, between this and admitting to a 5th-rate Essence knockoff that he nailed Superhead (even though they were long broken up), I don't know which is more depressing.

And yeah, LAM was lost but Turner Classic Movies got their hands on a version that basically displayed all the stills as a substitute for the movie footage. I think it was shown a couple years ago on their Silent Sunday Night bit.

Crying_Crimson_Tears 05-26-2008 11:31 AM

I'm quite fond of Angel.

chelseagirl 06-20-2008 12:25 PM

I'm going to try not to list any that have already been mentioned...

Some vampire movies that I like a lot...or were at least mildly entertaining:

Eternal Blood (Sangre Eterna)
Razorblade Smile
Ultraviolet (the UK series, NOT the movie)
Dark Prince
The Forsaken
Near Dark
Wisdom of Crocodiles
Thirst
Let the Right One In
30 Days of Night
Perfect Creature
Rise
The Breed
Vampire Journals

vampire comedies:

Blood and Donuts
Vampires Anonymous
Modern Vampires
Innocent Blood

IgorVGoth 06-28-2008 08:16 AM

The silent classic Nosferatu

You can download the entire show (sorry, I'M not allowed to put URLs up yet) from some sites because the original makers got their assessments whipped for copying Dracula with few changes.

HellforgedX 06-28-2008 06:08 PM

The Charlaine Harris "Southern Vampire" books are being produced by HBO as we are speaking. It is a series called "True Blood", and will premiere on 9/7/08. Anna Paquin is starring as Sookie. Info garnered from wiki.

demembers 08-08-2008 11:11 PM

Movie: Twilight (though it technically isn't viewable yet as it has not been released to the theaters)

KontanKarite 08-08-2008 11:40 PM

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Movie: Twilight (though it technically isn't viewable yet as it has not been released to the theaters)


The topic is GOOD vampire shows or movies. Twilight is NOT a good vampire movie.

gothicusmaximus 08-08-2008 11:46 PM

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The topic is GOOD vampire shows or movies. Twilight is NOT a good vampire movie.

Now, now, the movie isn't out yet. We don't know how faithfully it will adapt the source material. Edward could eat Bella in the first ten minutes, that would rule.

KontanKarite 08-08-2008 11:58 PM

The only thing that would make that movie worth watching is making the characters above age, a few good sex scenes, and bella getting the tee total fuck killed out of her.

gothicusmaximus 08-09-2008 12:17 AM

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The only thing that would make that movie worth watching is making the characters above age, a few good sex scenes, and bella getting the tee total fuck killed out of her.

Vampire sex scenes are passé. The Twilight movie could be superb if it was handled like Terry Gilliam's Brazil or An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge. The plot unfolds exactly as written in the novel, but, five minutes from the end, we abruptly discover that Bella's entire experience is a mental hallucination the vampire induces by way of hypnotic powers in order to sedate the girl as he slowly exsanguinates her.

sickmotherfucker 08-09-2008 12:51 AM

go down on me

Apathy's_Child 08-09-2008 04:06 AM

Duckula!

hjuhdfv

kikrox 08-09-2008 05:31 AM

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Vampire Hunter D.

Blood: The Last Vampire

Omg ! I just recently watched Blood: The Last Vampire movie and I totally fell in love with it. I need to watch the episodes..

^ Good One.

chelseagirl 08-09-2008 12:27 PM

lol, my favorite vamp sex scene is Lilith Silver f'n and killing that goth chick in Razorblade Smile... ;)

Mealla 09-18-2008 03:25 PM

I will have to agree that Forever Knight is one of the better vampire series out there. I loved LaCroix.

And as far as the Twilight movie...I never even read the books really because I heard it was mostly romance crap. Supposedly it's like a gimped Anne Rice for teens, especially considering the author is Mormon, and from Georgia. Tried reading Twilight anyway, just to try and give it a chance, and I just couldn't get into it.

Besides, I tend to like my horror fiction a lot more dark and gritty, like Anne Rice or Poppy Z. Brite. Lost Souls is definitely one of the better vampire novels I've read.

MissJane 09-30-2008 10:31 AM

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I'm quite fond of Angel.

Me, too!
I thought Angel was brilliant, but never got into Buffy.

freddy666 10-05-2008 11:04 AM

vampire shows
 
true blood is ok. i didnt say great just ok.

Radiant Eclipse 10-07-2008 01:24 AM

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true blood is ok. i didnt say great just ok.

yeah it's alright

StrangeLove 10-07-2008 04:01 AM

The fact that the Twilight series' author is Mormon is a large indication about why the vampires are young and abstinent.

The Fearless Vampire Killers is a lovely little vampire movie Roman Polanski did in the 60's, albeit a dark comedy. It's the movie where Polanski met his future doomed wife Sharon Tate, for those really interested.

Kij. 06-19-2009 03:56 PM

TrueBlood!

The Divine Ms. M 12-17-2010 09:12 PM

Yeah I know this thread's a bit old, but I just found out the BBC/BBC America show Being Human's being Americanized on SyFy starting Jan. 17. How they're gonna deal w/2 different versions of the same show is anybody's guess...
http://www.syfy.com/beinghuman/index.php
Here's the BBC America link for the original:
http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/369/index.jsp

Renatus 12-18-2010 04:48 AM

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Yeah I know this thread's a bit old, but I just found out the BBC/BBC America show Being Human's being Americanized on SyFy starting Jan. 17. How they're gonna deal w/2 different versions of the same show is anybody's guess...
http://www.syfy.com/beinghuman/index.php
Here's the BBC America link for the original:
http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/369/index.jsp

Hmm I've already watched the original beforehand, it'll be nice having one that doesnt have cultural references that I dont understand and an accent that isnt understandable if they speak too quickly as they somtimes did in the original. Though I kind of wish they'd not work in a hospital as nurses, though maytbe seeing them in an American hospital will seem better.

The Divine Ms. M 12-21-2010 10:34 PM

Well, having not seen any episodes, I'll have to watch a few of the original before the new one comes out. It seems pretty cool though from looking at the sites...

Renatus 12-22-2010 12:26 AM

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Well, having not seen any episodes, I'll have to watch a few of the original before the new one comes out. It seems pretty cool though from looking at the sites...

Heres a good website which I have been watching the original off of, as well as plenty of other shows and movies. Please note, it also includes the original pilot episode which is a bit different from the later episodes, as they switched most of the cast members.
http://www.icefilms.info/index

The Divine Ms. M 12-25-2010 03:50 PM

Cool thanks!:)

JethroAranas 12-25-2010 06:47 PM

The Vampire Diaries

plur427 12-25-2010 07:10 PM

Im very very fond of true blood :)

everyone tried to get me to watch vampire diaries but its too.... idk its not in my interest :/

the movie van helsing was awesome , loved the three brides
blade trilogy was awesome as well

Don't bother on the movie bloodrayne that movie will upset you, just play the games

hmmm im not sure about anime's as i don't watch them as much

the movie tales from the crypt bordello of blood was a good one
and so was From Dusk Till Dawn

hope i was of some help :)

WhispofMemory 01-03-2011 08:35 AM

I have to agree that Dark Shadows is by far one of the best shows to feature a vampire (I'm not going to just call it a vampire show because there were many other things going on) and it set the bar for all the rest.


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