Helping suggestions for those who get heckled
 

Lately and over time, I've noticed a trend of young goths and spooky kids who complain about getting heckled by the masses. Most of the time, I think it's safe to assume that they get picked on because of how they look and then continue to get picked on by how they act or behave.

What this thread is for is to conjure up some creativity amongst the members to come up with ideas that can still be a fashionably dark aesthetic without putting said fashionista in a pigeon hole of ridicule and mockery.

From my experiences, the more "evil" one looks, the more mockery is bestowed on them. I have come to realize that outlandish fashion isn't so much looked down on as it's more about what kind of message you're really conveying in said image.

So come up with some ideas on how to be "outlandish" that's original or actually unique, or state some things that you've found doesn't help you when you try to look different, but it incites friction amongst the laymen.

What I've found is jewelry. Pentacles, especially upside down ones, will cause people to think you worship satan.

So what about you guys? Maybe this could become a thread of "gothic" dos and suggested "gothic" don'ts.

DON'T draw extra attention to yourself by screaming, over reacting to things on purpose, or shouting words like "penis", "death", or anything else.

Who in the world does that?? o_0

Donts would be wearing cloaks in midsummer. And no white makeup on the face. It looks just silly.

You'd be surprised at the amount of idiots who do.

I wish I had your experience.

Here's some sound advice:

GROW THE FUCK UP.

DON'T go to the club in your underwear if you're seriously overweight.

Ugh...last time I was at the club this chick showed up in just her panties. She HAD to have been at least 50lbs overweight for her height.

A couple of "cyber" girls do that around here.
But their panties are PVC...
Along with the PVC vest.
And hairfalls.
MASSIVELY overweight.

People go clubbing in their underwear? o.O I have yet to go to a club that doesn't have really sketchy pervs just waiting to pounce, that would seem like wearing a sign that says "R@pe me!"

Overweight people are taking over the goth scene.

Yeah.
I have.

And no, it's not wearing a sign that asks to be r.aped if your demeanor says "FUCK. OFF."

If you're actually a slut, then yeah, it can be dangerous.
It also helps to roll with a bunch of really big guy friends in case someone does get brave.

My advice=black lipstick is bad.

I saw this page called "the goth workout" or something specifically for goth fatties.



Edit: I found it.
http://members.tripod.com/~LadyJane6...m/workout.html

Fixed.

lets face it, almost everyone in America is at least 15lbs overweight

The same sort of thing is happening in Australia, too much beer making a generation of pot-bellied goths.

Actually, get yourself one of those wide-brimmed hats with corks hanging off. Won't make anyone look evil but it'll draw a few funny looks! :P

Just mind yourself and don't be obnoxious. Don't dress just to draw unneeded attention. And if someone does say something, I just stop dead in my tracks and stare blankly at them with no expression until the leave, lol.

Not getting heckled? Easy - don't wear anything outlandish unless you are ridiculosly good-looking and sexy, enough to obscure the patent absurdity of your choice in clothing. Also, do NOT assume this to be the case until it has been confirmed by at least 8 people who are not one of the following: friends who only speak when they have something nice to say (i.e. pussies), a drunken stranger in a bar who wants to sleep with you, a person who is trying to cheer you up after a break-up, or your mom.

If this isn't you, then either dress inconspicuously or STFU.

This is for everyone, but goths often wear heels, so...

IF YOU CAN'T WALK IN HEELS NORMALLY, DON'T FUCKING WEAR THEM.

Ugh. These bitches look like 5 year olds playing dress up in their mother's closet.

My knees tend to give out, so I look like an idiot...especially when I'm wearing heels. I eventually decided to stop wearing heels, though they are ever so pretty.

My suggestion is that you should NEVER cover over 20% of your face with eyeliner.

Another suggestion is to accept attention if you cry for it. I hate the way some people virtually scream for attention and then get all blubbery about everyone staring at them.
Plus, If you dress outlandishly, then at least pull the act off, no-one ever dressed outlandishly to be subtle.

Fat people - Velvet is always better than latex, pvc, silk or satin in tops , skirts and trousers. Also, avoid corsets and tightlacing. I have never ever seen this look good on anyone more than half a stone overweight, overspill in any direction is appalling even if you are wearing some sort of shrug. Just don't.

Before anyone thinks I am anti fat person, I am 112lbs ( 8 stone ) overweight myself . Some say I don't look it but all the same, I avoid committing all over the above clothing mistakes because I know how bad they can look . I have seen some HORRIFIC sights, and committed one or two myself ( involving silk and satin , I am not stupid enough to attempt any sort of corsetry and do not wish to taste the horror of pvc as I don't think it suits anyone whatsoever, fat or slim ).

Honeythorn, pvc and most silks are dangerous even for average-sized folks!

Haha! Indeed. Seriously, I don't like PVC at all for clothing. I have never worn it and never will. Boots are ok. As are cute bags. but not clothing.

Silks and satins are really lovely , and I do own one satin-ish top, but it is cut in such a way as not to show all my lumps and bumps so that one I do wear. If it's a jacket or something then fair enough they look ok on most people big or small, but close fitting tops, skirts and trousers are just such a no no . Shows all your worst bits.

Velvet is really great. Even with a stomach like mine ( sticks out a lot at the bottom ) it works ok as it gives a much softer outline and feels really nice.

Ah, most people have a bit of a pooch down at the bottom. I wear skirts and tights every day except for work, so what I do when I'm sporting a food baby is just hike my tights up a bit and it squishes my undergut in a little, ha.

Mine is far too large to do such a thing unfortunately. My problem is FAR more than a " bit of a pooch " .Less a food baby and more a food whale. Which is why I am eating a lot less food. And a lot less sugar and bread ( I didn't eat a vast amount of either before but now I eat even less than I did ) .

I've seen your pictures Honeythorn and you're not as big as you think you are. Anyway, I tried that whole "don't eat as much" thing and I couldn't do it!
I read somewhere that if you eat six meals a day, like this: Breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner, snack, and make the meals smaller than you normally would that you'd lose weight. I tried it and it was working but I couldn't keep up with it. Plus breads and carbs are my favorite sorts of foods.

I went from almost 170 to 145 when I went vegan from lacto-ovo vegetarian. There's always that option, but I think you look beautiful already.

I can't do the little and often meals thing as I work in a warehouse and we have set breaktimes. Vegan isn't something I like the idea of at all. Not natural IMO. I know we evolved from plant eaters, but the fact is we did evolve and even prehistoric man ate eggs at least when they could get them, as well as a moderate amount of meat. I don't eat a lot of meat though as I dislike the taste of most of it.And the only milk I have is in tea. I do like yoghurt though. Yum. Low fat ones of course ! I eat far more healthily than most of my much slimmer friends who all drive. I suspect my metabolism may have left the building some time ago though.

Metabolism is what does it, methinks. That's why they say to go six small meals 'cause it keeps your metabolism up throughout the day-like anybody wants to do that, lol. Moderation is NOT my thing.

I actually like the whole small meals thing. That's just the way I eat, I guess you grow into it or something. My metabolism is already WTF, i weigh 105 lbs and I'm around 5 feet 7. I just can't eat too much in one sitting, it's too much for me sometimes.

I think my metabolism is messed up as well, I have a BMI of 17 and people always think I'm anorexic when I tell them how much I weigh. Which is rather strange considering that I'm kind of normally built. I think it may be that I'm too active in the sport department.

You're not necessarily anorexic, but your BMI is dangerously low.

I know it's dangerously low. It's seriously baffled me. I mean It's not like I eat little. My normal diet consists of:
Breakfast: Cereal, toast, tea, beans, a fried egg ( maybe a sausage if I'm feeling up to it. ).
Then various snacks up until about lunch time. Candy bars, pot noodles and the odd bag of crisps.
Lunch: This consists mainly of Ravioli or noodles, but I do get the odd kebab or a cheese-steak sandwich.
After lunch it's the various snack routine again until dinner. Dinner generally entails chicken or porc pie or pizzas. Then the snacks until I go to sleep again.

This is the reason why I think my metabolism has messed up somewhere. weighing 54kg at 1.78m is not normal considering the amount I eat.

Mine's 17.5, but aren't you supposed to consider your bone structure too? Some people have petite frames and some people are big boned. Doctor never told me I'm dangerously underweight, just that I could stand to gain a few pounds.

ARGH! Curse you boy! I'll swap with you any day of the week :p I only have to look at foods like that and I practically swell like a bouncy castle!

Seriously this is what I have eaten today so far.

Breakfast : Porridge ( a small prepacked sachet of plain porridge ) with raisins.

Break : I apple, 1 low fat yoghurt

Lunch : Porridge, same as above ( it's easier to swallow because of my tonsil, I usually have soup or low fat noodles )

3pm Break : 1 low fat cereal bar thingy, 1 plum

Dinner : 1 small plate of chilli con carne

And that actually is a typical day for me. I'm on my feet all day either standing and making helmets or walking about the warehouse/climbing racking to get stuff.

Most of my mates work in offices, sit on their arses typing ect, eat all kinds of shite and drive to and from work!!!! Bloody biology! * shakes fist at it *

Considering you have a physical job it is probably your metabolism.
I think my underweightness is a mixture of overly enthusiastic metabolism and too much sport. I often go skating at night ( if it's warm and dry enough, which it isn't at the moment. ) if I want to get things filmed and also you don't get kicked off after hours. Depending on my mood It can be anywhere from getting home at 2am to getting home at 4am.

I think if you've got a BMI of 17 it might be an idea to see your doctor. My step daughter was very thin and we managed to get her sorted out with our GP, it turned out she was anemic and probably had been for some time.

I unfortunately have the opposite problem, I'm on a medication which has made me pile on the pounds. I've managed to loose about 40 pounds, I need to loose another 15 to get down to a normal weight. I find dressing well helps cover at least some of it.

I think PVC can look great on very thin woman, I haven't worn PVC tho since I was 17 and like a size 10 on a day day. Corsets I think look good on all woman, particularly ones who have more curves.

^corsets. need I say more?

Damnit, you skinny people! I'm at 145 at 5"11. Which isn't fat obviously, but it's not waify enough to be fashionable and not curvy enough to be sexy.

Are you sure you're not waify? I'm 6 foot and 170/175 and I don't even look slightly overweight. I have a somewhat v shaped torso, but a lot of people will say that I'm pretty skinny. If you weigh that much and are generally the same size as me, I'd be kinda creeped out as to how your physique looks. No offense.

I personally CAN'T go below 160 it seems. By the time I reach 160 pounds I start feeling really really sick unless I'm working out like a crazy mofo for 7 days a week.

No. No they don't. And it seriously depends on how you define "curves" One of the most mis-used and mis-appropriated ( I think that's the term I mean anyway ) words ever . I have seen some truly godawful sights, and those women weren't even very overweight. Admittedly it could have been a case of bad corsetry, but still, I have seen far more bad sights than nice ones.

Another helpful suggestion to avoid being heckled:
If you do partake in an alternative religion, don't advertise it, let alone ram it down other people's throat. It's generally not appreciated or taken too kindly.

No, I'm not waify, I promise. I won't even begin to look it until I hit like 130. Maybe it's because your weight is muscle mass. I don't have any muscles. Or maybe it's because I have big boobs.

Now I'm wondering if maybe you're weighing yourself wrong, ha.

Nope. The scales say 170/175. Then again, I thought you were male, so I guess that makes a difference.

Ah, well I suppose that makes quite the difference then. Not a dude.

Too many people to count on both hands and feet.

lol fuck yea monty python



On a side note. How many people here would wear a cloak in the winter? I personally love my cloak and it would be much warmer... But I tend to be self-conscious and don't like people looking at me. If there are people who do that do the number of looks go down after awhile? (or do you just get used to it?)

Looks good on certain people, but most of the time it is too much.

I've used an exercise that seems to work.

Make a fist and extend the middle finger. Do this 4-6 times a week for better results.

Learn to not show emotion when confronted, keeping a look of general distate for the people around you (unfortunately the heckler's usually aren't perceptive enough to realize that means them). Respond to any satirical comments with likewise satire, making sure what you say is intellectual yet hits them far below the waist. Make sure you come off as far smarter than them but really couldn't give a shit about what they're saying, just the fact that they've distracted you for longer than a second.
The typical goth persona in movies and media as well as real life.
More often than not people heckle others as they don't understand and/or are not comfortable with anyone so different from themselves.