2 years
 

Well it's been about 2 years since I've seen the monochromatic layout of this website...

Looking down at some of the introductions it's looked like a few people have comeback, though I'm pretty sure I don't recognize anyone beyond Beyowulf and Godslayer Jillian

I wonder if there are any more...

1. What do you do? (Hobbies, job)

Printing/Signs/Book Binding/Flyers/various other printing press related tasks

2. Where are you from?

Virginia

3. Who is your favorite author?

Terry Pratchett

4. What are your favorite films?

Alice in Wonderland
Angels With Dirty Faces
Back to the Future
Beverly Hills Cop III
Casablanca
Cowboy Bebop: The movie
Iron Man
Kiki's Delivery Service
Mary Poppins
Mirror Mask
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist
Night at the Roxbury
Out Cold
Scamper
Seven Pounds
Spirited Away
Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi
Stay
Stranger Than Fiction
The Sword in the Stone
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

...there are loads more..

5. What music do you want played at your wedding?

Dunno if anyone's heard of 'em but the song that everyone picks for their song at their wedding for me would be "The Ballad of Love and Hate" by The Avett Brothers. Then other music would include The Shins, maybe Seven Nations, or some of John William's Memoirs of a Geisha soundtrack, I listen to everything so it'd probably be more up to whoever the female counterpart would be.

6. At your funeral?

"Danger! High Voltage" by Electric Six

then "Putting on the Ritz" by Taco

7. This IS a gothic website, so... how do you want to die?

Who really gives a shit? Whether someone might view it as artistic, morbid or otherwise, no way hurts more than any other, apart from dying in one's sleep. The body overdoses on adrenaline and the paralysis inducing chemical the body produces upon realization that death is imminent.

8. What kind of casket would you want?

Paying money for a casket is an absolute waste

9. What's your FAVORITE outfit?

Black/Grey contrasting UFO pants, JabbaWockeeZ T-shirt, A black Japanese style hoody with all the suits of a deck of cards down the right side in white and red, studs in horizontals and verticals on the other side of it and red cat ears on the hood.... yes, cat ears, shhhhh

10. What's one thing you miss about being a little kid?

Ignorance

11. What's your favorite band?

Iron Maiden

12. What kind of education do you have? What is/was/will be your major?

I'm a Studio Art and/or a Graphic Design major

13. Why did you join?

Joined a long time ago upon reading a post about "Goth with a sledgehammer" I believe... that was 3 years ago so I don't exactly remember

14. If the first 13 questions didn't give it away. What is your gender?

Male... obviously

I remember you.

I do too, welcome back, just as a heads up there have been a few recent changes to the site and we are in somewhat of a state of conflict at the moment

Since when wasn't this site in a state of conflict? haha....

And fucking christ Solumina I can't believe you're still on here. hah

Heya Ophilia... There's a hell of a lot of new members since back then...

FUCKING YEESSSSS!!!!!


Welcome back!

Hahahahaha, thanks man.

Not even Saya?
you whore

Welcome back

Well I said that before I snooped around a bit. I did happen to see Saya on a couple other pages, tekajo as well. I guess the more I look, the more I shall find.

Tek's been banned. No one knows why, the reason is super secret and therefore probably non-existent.

Did he get banned within the last 2 days 'cause he posted on the 19th?

And If he was banned I know why...

Yeah, it was very recent.

What's the reason?

I'd probably find it in my own interest not to say anything or I might get the ban hammer as well.

1 - I have no idea what the state of conflict of this site is....

2 - I kinda missed this site and wouldn't want to have the same thing happen to me, after getting that lovely welcoming back by the ever loveable godslayer, I wouldn't want to dissapoint him by getting the boot.

Fair enough. I wouldn't worry too much about keeping your nose clean though, so far the bannings seem to have been more incidental than geared at rooting out bad behavior.

Well yeah, Tekajo has never been one for bad behavior

My heart really did break when I saw I was left out, I was gonna not post for a while as tekajo got banned and a few posts I made got deleted for no reason other than Dirtnap didn't like them, but then I happened back and saw Mr. E Nigma and Ben posting and thought I'd say hi....

Now I'm gonna go weep in a corner for a while...oh maybe if I draw a picture while I'm at it I'll be goth by Sledgehammer standards, as my Robert Smith fandom doesn't seem to be on the list.

Hehe, welcome back!

Haha! Seriously though what's with the all of a sudden, you have to enjoy goth rock to be goth on this site? O_o I don't even recall the talk of goth rock a couple years back...

I missed you too saya!

I do know what you mean, I remember reading the Sledgehammer when I first signed up and not really giving it much thought, but since you brought it up I reread it, and had to cringe.

I know a bajillion people who fit the criteria, and NONE of them would consider themselves goth and I would never accuse them of being one. It describes my philosophy professor, my dad, my roommate.

Why it says punks don't have brains or good manners I don't know, it really seems to imply that we are punks with something stuck up our asses XD And not to mention that, excluding you and a few others, a lot of people who tout themselves by the Sledgehammer definition of goth rarely display "extreme intellectualism." Infact, they tend to be extremely dumb.

And also with the punk comparison, well, would you consider someone with an attitude and a mohawk a punk even if they were listening to Hilary Duff and the Jonas Brothers? Does wearing a Metallica shirt make you a metalhead? Does displaying "extreme intellectualism" and creativity make Stephen Hawking a goth?

But the thing is, a lot of people here don't consider themselves goth or don't listen to the music, and thats fine. No one is going to judge you because you don't like Peter Murphy ^_^

You make a good point there.

Yeah I keep leaving but I always seem to be drawn back for some inexplicable reason

Haha, I do like a decent amount of what people would call Goth rock... It just doesn't make sense to me. "Goths" are okay with using the term for a musical genre but no one else, when at the same time they took the term from something else, gothic architecture and the Goth tribe. Though, they frown on others for doing exactly the same thing, taking the term from architecture and a tribe and using it for their own purpose. I mean I know humans are hypocritical, it's part of their makeup but still.

I personally think what is goth? is as ambiguous as the question what is art?

Things like that don't have real definitions, everyone just uses them however they feel it's necessary. in the early '80's using the term to describe a type of music subculture was born, so why can't using the term to describe something else be born, just 'cause it came later? Well, them using the term came later than it being used for architecture. The discussion on a whole is full of silly hypocrisy.

I mean, look at someone like gothicusmaximus, he thinks you have to be a goth rock fanboy to be called a goth.

If anything the actual musicians would represent who the goths were, not the fanboys who cling to the "musical style." They'd just be goth rock fans, not goths themselves, what the hell do fans do that could even come close to being considered what the gothic term the way they use it is meant to imply. So far in all my research it's used to describe a musical genre, the lyrics, etc... not the fans of it. You don't call a lesbian heterosexual for liking heterosexual porn. You don't define a straight man straight just 'cause he watches heterosexual porn, what you define them as is based on what they are, not what they are fans of.

You don't call fans of metal rock.. metal, they have their own names, like metal heads... In a sense I guess being goth as a person really is non-existent based one the way most people go about describing it, and yeah after reading what you said I went back and re-read the sledgehammer. And it is ambiguous, I honestly don't even think the term should be used for anything other than the architecture, that's why I've never labeled myself as one, but based one what everyone else is saying I wouldn't label anyone else on this site one either...

You're just arguing semantics, goth has become an acceptable term for fans of goth rock, as you call a fan of punk rock a punk. Also like punk, goth meant something before we took the label, fine, but I don't see any barbarians or fifteenth century architects taking an issue with it. If goth is undefinable then anyone and anybody can label themselves "goth", and there really isn't anything special about goth since we're all arguably gothic. But Andi Sexgang called us goths so dammit, thats what we're gonna call ourselves! He does not lie.

well when the subculture was new there was more to it than the music, those things have just kind of fallen away and all that we are left with is the music

And each other :3 And we'll always have Paris.

Welcome back !!!. :)

I don't have a problem with goths being people who are a fan of goth rock, my problem is those same people having an issue with other people using the term elsewhere. People who think it's only to do with the music.

Fans of goth rock are goths, but fans of gothic literature can't be goth? That's my gripe. Not that they are calling themselves goth, but that they frown at the word being used elsewhere.

And I honestly never knew people who were fans of punk rock were called punks, they've just always said they're into the punk rock scene or into punk rock music, and I lived in DC, somewhere where it's hugely present and I honestly had never heard any of them call eachother "punks"

learn something new everyday

Yeah I met a lot of those people last time Edgar Allan Poe came to our university to do some readings, they prefer to be called English majors. Really, I never heard a fan of gothic literature demand that they be allowed to call themselves goth. If you're talking about people who read Poe a few times and decided to dress like a Victorian, then why can't they just call themselves Neo-Victorian or something of the sort? Their fashion doesn't even have to do with the literature.

Seriously? I assume they would never calls themselves punk in everyday conversation, but never in reference to someone you haven't heard "punk"? Like "Man there was his hot punk girl at this bar last night....?"

I'm not saying someone into goth literature would necessarily want to be called a goth, just that there are other people besides ones into goth rock that would probably consider themselves goths. Some of those, yes, would probably be into gothic literature and they don't necessarily have to be in college to enjoy it...

And as a break to you using the punk for punk rock like goth for goth rock, as far as I can tell goths do use the word to define themselves in everyday conversation... or haven't you noticed?

And honestly no. If something like that came up I imagine I'd hear a description of what they look like as a lot of people into that music don't look the same.... and I don't believe "punks" have ever had a problem with other people using the term for various other things from computer modifications to literature as well, a la steam punk or cyber punk...

I didn't say fans of the literature have to be goth, just that if they wanted to be considered one, because I do know some people who consider themselves gothic because they are into gothic literature and one of them is hugely into painting ominous alleyways or high cathedral churches with one or two characters in the scene in sort of a grimy way. I mean he's into a lot of stuff, I'm sure he likes goth rock as well, but when people refer to him as a goth or ever pose the question why it generally has to do with how he writes short stories, poems, or paints. To him, what he creates makes him a goth, as opposed to what he's a fan of. Me and him hold that view because we, way back when we were younger, were highly interested in Gothic architecture and it influenced a lot of his art, at least most of the structures that was in it and the colors, to us those were Gothic architects... gothic because of what they created, people who were fans of gothic architecture wouldn't have been considered goth...

My point is mostly to do with why the people who think the way they do with goth rock are so hypocritical, I wouldn't consider them or people who are a fan of gothic literature or the architecture itself goth or gothic.... There could be any such elitists of Gothic architecture who could rightfully bash goth people who are solely a fan of goth rock. 'Cause all I've been hearing is that of goth rock people. When they could easily deserve the same harassment from prior uses of the word. I don't think any of it should happen and honestly as it seems goth shouldn't even be a term for people, only for what those people create. But it is. I just think that since it is, since people do use it, what reason do they have to say only they can rightfully be called it and no one else

Again the point is my annoyance with their blind hypocrisy....

The only people I know who will use the term goth to define themselves in everyday conversation (I guess you mean out of the blue) are kids who are desperate to cling to the label, the mallbats in their Nightmare Before Christmas garb and Crow make up, same with punks, the only ones I knew of that would say "I'M PUNK" would be the Good Charlotte fans. Usually I find its a descriptive of other people, or if others ask if you are.

If you don't like it that fans of gothic rock call themselves goth, then why wouldn't you also think its stupid to call a fan of gothic architecture a goth? Because they're fans of buildings doesn't make them a building XD

Are you saying now that no one should ever be called a goth, that only our literature and our buildings may lay claim to the label?

Gudday. Which would you prefer to be called; Penguin or Enigma? I hardly knew you when we were both initially here but know your personality decently elsewhere.

Welcome back, glad to see you posting in the literature section!

For my spare change:

I agree with your friend who draws and those who like the music. If you can appreciate the aesthetics together or separately then I suppose it can apply to the term Goth; I just happen to enjoy the music more than just the literature.

I just call it "A good song to listen to" or "A decent read" etc etc.

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Good to see you're still here, Saya.

Whatever happened to your beautiful Lain avatar?
Then it comes down to defining what music/art/literature is Goth.

Sorry to be leaping in like this, but it was Ian Asbury who referred to followers of Andi Sexgang as goths. Andi Sexgang himself was the Gothic Goblin.

And hey I remember Mr E Nigma. Welcome back.

Anyway I'm entirely in the court of 'goths are fans of gothic rock'. Literature and architecture don't exactly have loads of festivals, clubs and magazines devoted to their appreciation and continuation. And I really can't stress enough that at the end of the day it doesn't matter whether or not someone is actually a goth. Or a punk. Or a metalhead. It forms such a miniscule part of who a person is, it's barely worth mentioning in reference to someone outside vague descriptions such as 'Remember the goth chick we spoke to?'. I prefer focusing on the part of the word that refers to the subculture and music as a whole.

I'm not exactly sure why you, Saya and the subsequent posters completely missed that I said I had no problem with goth rock fans calling themselves goth or gothic. And I don't think it's stupid for them to use the term at all, I was merely expressing how I felt about them using the term but at the same time denouncing others for using the term as well. As I've said a few times before and will say again, I have no problem with goth rockers calling themselves goth/gothic, I never did and no where in any of my postings do I ever say that I did. Just that I had a problem with the hypocrisy of them bashing others for using the term as well.

Corpsey - Hey mate how are ya? and I don't care, either one works for me

and Cicero - Nice to see you as well! And don't feel sorry for jumping in, haha, if no one ever just "jumped in" conversations wouldn't really get that far...

I was just sorry for nit-picking at a silly little fact like that, haha.

And I must say you've done the best job of presenting your case out of anyone around here who doesn't agree with goth being solely about the music. Most will back it up with 'goth is in the darkness of my soul', etc, etc. So many people seem desperate to have the label apply to them, as though it grants special goth powers.

It does. You get to dress like a prick and actually have an excuse. : D

Well at any rate I'm a decently intelligent kid, who has chronic insomnia and does loads of research about various subjects. Knowledge fuels my will to live.

Also! Debating 101 - Whenever someone puts words in your mouth, never let what they say become true. ALWAYS notice when they tell you you said something even though you never did, so you can say, "Excuse me, but I'm sure I never said that and for you to put words in my mouth shows me that instead of you having your own proof or evidence you'd rather attack me as a person instead of the subject matter at hand" Or any other variation of that. I notice quite easily when people tell me I did something or said something when I didn't, I always correct them but they generally just ignore it and try to find something else to say to distract from the point that they're just attacking you instead of the subject matter at hand. , so many people do it to each other and most people don't realize they let people force words into their mouths that they never really said..