A heathen walks amongst you.
 

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Heathenism is bullshit.

Welcome to the site OdinsXson

UnderwaterOphelia
Hove can you say that Heathenism is bullshit? Manny of my friendes belives in and/or supportes the Aasatro. It is a religion just like Wicca, Christendom, Satanisme and other religiones. I dont mene to be unpleasant or to ofend you, i just want to know whye you came whit that statement.

As soon as I saw your name I started singing Amon Amarth's "Twilight of the Thunder God."

Thor, Odin's son, protector of mankind, ride to meet your fate, your destiny awaits.

Because I believe it's true.
Heathenism is a bullshit half-assed faith in the same way Wicca is.

Well, to be a bullshit faith, it shure is old. But i wont argue whit you. If OdinsXson wantes to belive in tha Aasatro he should be abole to do so whitout annyone flameing him for it. That's all i am sayeing

Hello and welcome, I hope you enjoy your time here !!!. :)


Ophelia, may I please ask what your beliefs are, and how you would feel if someone was disrespectful of them ?

I have nothing against the Asatru, but I can see how one would call it half-assed. I am not sure that anyone who claims to believe in the faith actually believe that the gods exist. To me, the gods are more representative of ideals, similar to that of LaVeyan Satanism. I enjoy Norse mythology, and I praise Odin as if I believed in him, but I know he, nor the others, exist. Since I have only met one or two Asatru I cannot say this is how they all feel, but I would assume the majority (particularly in non-Scandinavian countries) do understand that it is simply mythology and nothing more.

I have no religious beliefs. I did once, and people were disrespectful of them. I didn't care, because another person's opinion does change or influence the way I believe or practice.

Old? Not really. Wicca is about 60 years old and Asatru is only about 100.


Why?

I will make the assumption this was intended to be "doesn't," otherwise the context is strange.

1. The Aasatroo got roots that is MUCH older that 100 years old
2. Bechouse everyone have the right to say and belive what ever they want.
But like i said, i sont want to argue whit you, although i admit that it is thempting.

The Asatru stick as closely as possible to the original religion, but they are still technically neo-pagan.

Yeah, haha.
Doesn't.

Having roots that are older doesn't mean the religion isn't a watered down shitty version of an already flawed belief system.

I'm not even commenting on the second part.

You have a point there. Sorry if i have insulted you, it was not my intentione

In reality, aren't all religions (specifically older religions) watered down shitty versions of the original system? Or "shittier," rather.

Wow. My first post is starting a verbal battle lol. Ok NOw to the neo nazi that likes to belittle and question others beliefs, are you to shallow to ecpet that there might be a higher power? TO much of a narsassist to admit that things are beyond your control? Did a priest stick it in your ass? Come killer fighting over teh web is liek the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded.

Beowulf and others that have stepped in to defend my/our faith, thank you.


FFF

No, I'm just intelligent enough to realize that God is a myth.

But still you are to narrow minded to see that it may be som shread of truth in myths? I agree whit you when you say that the Aasatro may be a whatered down versione of the faith of my anchestors, but i have to disagree whit you when your caim that there is no such thing as a higher power. But that is just what i belive. I dont trye to shovle my belifes up your ass, so whye dont you give OdinsXson a brake?

I wish there were a shred of truth. It'd be badass to breed a horse with a demi-god and make an eight-legged horse. That'd kick so much ass.

It's Nazi to question things?!
BAHAHAHA
I can imagine streets flooded in Nazi propaganda saying "Always question our authority" and "Be rational"

Wiccan is neo-pagan. [new pagan] It's -roots- are ancient.

As a practicing Wiccan of seven years, I do know what I'm talking about.

Wicca, as a true faith, is all about honoring the earth [Goddess].
Personally, any other deity form aside from the Goddess and the God [sky, heavens, Sun, etc.] is bullshit and belongs in mythology. Not every Wiccan believes as I do though. I don't support pantheons.

LaVey had it right. I dabbled in Satanism briefly. I have such a deep belief in karma and energy work that I couldn't flow with it. But the goddess/god archetypes are indeed qualities [goddess of creativity, god of fire, etc.] that people desired, that kind of belief and desire made it real to them, hence god[dess]forms.

I don't believe the Goddess is or ever was a real person...

Argh, a tangent is starting.
[I'll go on if anyone cares to read my two bits.]


Welcome, welcome...

Atheism's roots are even more ancient.

As an active atheist for five years I do know what I'm talking about.

Atheism, as a true point zero, is all about humility.
Personally, any kind of deity form with absolutely no excuse is bullshit and belongs in fairy tales. Most atheists believe as I do, though, because it ain't a pick-and-choose thing, but a mere absence of absurdity.

Buddha had it right. I dabbled in buddhism briefly. I have such a deep understanding in the liberation from everything and skepticism that I couldn't reconcile it in the end. But its nontheistic main tenets are indeed qualities [absence of sickness, spiritual richness as opposed to material opulence, etc.] that people desire, hence my tolerance to it.

I don't believe that any god is or ever was...

Buddha DID have it right. I am very respectful of Buddhism, although I prefer the lifestyle as opposed to the "religion." It's strange having a religion with no deity.

Debating religion is not a particularly scholarly field and you won't find much admiration in others when you dabble in it.

One side says "yeah-eah!" and another side says "nuh-uh", the closest thing to an intelligent argument has been talking about the age of a religion but that's totally discrediting the ability for something (relatively) new to be in any way correct which is just illogical.

Err.... Welcome!

Mock much?

I hope you're proud of yourself.

Oh, we find ways to fight with each other without a God.

And is it really that odd? Bodhisattvas are kinda of saintly, and we have devas and asuras, and the Tibetans have the goddess Tara?

Resentful much?

I hope you're over yourself.

I do not know much about branches of Buddhism, but I do know that practically every country that worships does so differently. Buddhism is more spiritual, however, and some will argue that spirituality does not equate to religiousness. It all depends on how a person defines "religion" since the meaning varies depending on who you ask.

Buddhism is weird because traditionally lay people aren't expected to be serious practitioners, so they are just taught basic morality points and are asked to support the Sangha of monks. So for the average layman in Asia it is a moral spirituality whereas for the monk its a religion. Here in the West we convert so we can be serious practitioners, and end up being a weird layman/monk hybrid. How far in depth with it you go is pretty much what makes it a "spirituality" or a religion to you, I guess.

Ah, shouldn't hijack a thread, I haven't said Welcome ^_^

Welcome! Sorry for hijacking!

I thought a heathen was just a person who wasn't religious, a person who ignores the idea of gods, etc... As in, not a religion.

I thought that was the general difference between a heathen and an athiest...

Atheism is a religion because it believes in something. It believes that gods and/or deities don't exist, whereas a heathen pays absolutely no attention to it. They don't outright believe gods don't exist, they just ignore the subject matter altogether. They just don't acknowledge it in any way.

I'm neither a heathen or an atheist. So I'm no expert, I could've sworn that's what a heathen was though...

hea⋅then
   /ˈhiðən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hee-thuhn] Show IPA noun, plural -thens, -then, adjective
–noun
1. an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan.
2. an irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized person.
–adjective
3. of or pertaining to heathens; pagan.
4. irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heathen

Wow, how many religions are you a part of, then?
I assume you're at least in these:
The religion of the belief that I am not a girl.
The religion of the belief that creationism is not true.
The religion of the belief that you can't divide by zero.
The religion of the belief that Santa Claus isn't real.
The religion of the belief that brown is not objectively the best color.
The religion of the belief that we don't live on top of a giant turtle.
The religion of the belief that our god isn't a double-headed labradoodle.
The religion of the belief that I Can't Believe It's Not Butter isn't butter.
The religion of the belief that Zeus isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Mithras isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Medusa isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Hercules is a legend.
The religion of the belief that your favorite sport is your favorite sport.
The religion of the belief that you don't own a pink unicorn.
The religion of the belief that you don't own a pink left-handed unicorn.
The religion of the belief that you don't have a tiny angel inside your skull.
The religion of the belief that vampires don't exist.
The religion of the belief that aliens don't exist.
The religion of the belief that ghosts don't frequent Minnesota public libraries.
The religion of the belief that I am not god.
The religion of the belief that vitamin C doesn't kill you.
The religion of the belief that geocentrism is wrong.

He probably meant:

"Despite claims made by some Atheists (and other parties), atheism does require a certain level of faith/belief

That's my point, it doesn't. Atheism requires as much belief as the thought you put into my claim of "I possess a hippo/leprechaun hybrid that gets orgasms when I solve a Rubik's cube"
Do you require a certain level of faith to NOT believe such an absurd claim?
We've been through this too many times.

Atheism can be a belief, an absence of belief, or disbelief. However, being a belief does not make it a religion, as Jillian made a prime example for. There are many components to being a religion that atheism does not include, such as tradition, faith, and practices. Atheism is more of a philosophy and can be defined in a few various ways.

And one does not need faith or belief to be Atheist, as you say, SCC. What faith need there be when religion is absent? And not all Atheists believe there is no God, especially since Atheism isn't limited to Judeo-Christian religions.

Sure you do, I have to have a certain amount of faith in my ability to logically comprehend that said hippo/leprechaun probably doesn't exist. It's not a belief towards some external source, it is internal faith, a sense of confidence that you can live by that understanding.

If you believe that there is no divine entity then you also have no intangible source to vent at when your life fucks up, you then blame the government or others because just blaming yourself is kind of bad.

You then develop a faith based in humanity, other people suddenly become your pantheon, their fights, their romances, the things they control. Whether or not Susan really is the source of all Good Pumpkin is irrelevant, you have still trusted her to sell you a fantastic pumpkin, you have placed your faith and friendship in her much as you would a God.

"A happy Christian is one who treats God as human, like a friend when they're sad, and thanks them for presents, they know that God has made bad decisions in the past. A unhappy Christian is one who lets God and the Bible rule them and reveres them as absolute. They are just looking for a scapegoat to problems they don't know how to deal with and should wipe the brown off their nose because it won't give them peace" -Somebody

I just typed a bit about how I wasn't certain on either terms, which is why I expressed I was not an expert and that that first post about me being part of multiple religions was absolutely pointless. But I lost the post due to browser failings.

So I'll make this quick.

Jillian, you completely misunderstood my post.

Let me clarify, that I don't know what either term means and I was wondering if what I said was true.

If an atheist just outright denies god's existence or doesn't acknowledge it's existence. Then you could've just said that. Then I'd actually know what the term means, instead of you posting the way you did. And me still wondering.

As far as what I've seen atheism was always specifically believing in the lack of deities. Rather than just not acknowledging them. Like, acknowledging the idea of a deity but believing it to be wrong. Whereas heathens just don't even acknowledge the idea. If they are both the same thing, if they aren't religions and just simply deny deities existence then that's fine too...

I'll ignore the rest of what I was going to say, because it would just spark more unnecessary posts and I'd still be in the dark. So I'll just simply await your take on the definition of atheism...


And Pyre - Jillian never said atheism has beliefs.. I'm pretty sure the above is him most definitely stating that it doesn't.

Scientists believe in Gravity. They have faith that their research is accurate. And for all intensive purposes to include human error nothing is ever 100% accurate. Or true. So to say what faith need there be when religion is absent, I say plenty....

While I know faith/beliefs does not = religion.

I just happen to think that atheism was a religion. I am apparently wrong, I did say I wasn't an expert and was looking for some clarification between the words heathen and atheist.

Sadly my unicorn is right-hoofed.

Hey! It's that hentai chick! =O

It's funny that people remember me by that. I've actually cut that habit and have been hentai/porn free for almost three months.

Hey! It's that boring chick who used to watch hentai!

Everyone should be required to watch/read 1 hour of Porn/hentai/erotic fiction a day

You've moved on to the real deal? Go you!

So many mentions of greek gods... Any ways I wasnt calling him a nazi in regards to asking questions. More in the way that Hitler said Protestantism is the right religion. That whole your wrong im right mentality. Wouldnt totaly rejection of all things spiritual be a form of nihilism?


The Philosophy. a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b. nothingness or nonexistence.

"Heathen", as far as I'm aware, is simply an archaic perjorative for any person who isn't a Christian. However it's a broader term than atheism as it may encompass other, non-Christian spiritual / religious beliefs as well as the absence of belief.

Holy hell, people actually make mistakes that are this ironic? I thought that was only on TV.

Welcome to the forum.
Heathen or not, whatever religion you are shouldn't matter.
Hope you enjoy your time here. (: