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HavelockV 07-27-2009 05:23 PM

Woman dismembers infant, consumes brain and more
 
http://news.aol.com/article/police-s...s-brain/588892

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SAN ANTONIO (July 27) - A woman charged with murdering her 3 1/2-week-old son used a knife and two swords to dismember the child and ate parts of his body, including his brain, before stabbing herself in the torso and slicing her own throat, police said Monday.

Otty Sanchez, 33, is charged with capital murder in the death of her infant son, Scott Wesley Buchholtz-Sanchez. She was recovering from her wounds at a hospital, and was being held on $1 million bail.

San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said the early Sunday morning attack occurred a week after the child's father moved out. Otty Sanchez's sister and her sister's two children, ages 5 and 7, were in the house, but none were harmed.
Otty Sanchez's aunt, Gloria Sanchez, said her niece had been "in and out" of a psychiatric ward, and that the hospital called several months ago looking to check up on her. She did not elaborate on the nature of her niece's health problems.
"Otty didn't mean to do that. She was not in her right mind," a sobbing Gloria Sanchez told The Associated Press on Monday by phone. She said her family was devastated.
McManus, who appeared uncomfortable as he addressed reporters, said Sanchez apparently ate the child's brain and some other body parts. She also decapitated the infant, tore off his face and chewed off three of his toes before stabbing herself.
"It's too heinous for me to describe it any further," McManus said.
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McManus described the crime scene as so grisly that police officers barely spoke to each other while looking through the house. Parts of the child were missing, including pieces that Sanchez allegedly ate.
"At this particular scene you could have heard a pin drop," McManus said. "No one was speaking. It was about as somber as it could have been."
Officers called to Sanchez's house at about 5 a.m. Sunday found her sitting on the couch screaming "I killed my baby! I killed my baby!" McManus said. They found the boy's body in a bedroom.

Police said Sanchez said the devil told her to kill her son and that she was hearing voices.
"It was a spontaneous utterance," McManus said.
Police said Sanchez did not have an attorney, and they declined to identify family members who might speak on her behalf.
No one answered the door Monday at Sanchez's one-story home, where the blinds were shut. A hopscotch pattern and red hearts were drawn on the walk leading up to the house.

Neighbor Luis Yanez, 23, said his kids went to school with one of the small children who lived at the house. He said he often saw a woman playing outside with the children but didn't know whether it was Otty.
"Why would you do that to your baby?" said Yanez, a tire technician. "It brings chills to you. They can't defend themselves."

Authorities said Sanchez and her sister took turns watching the baby Sunday morning, and that the boy was placed in Sanchez's care at about 1:30 a.m. Her sister discovered what happened about three hours later and called police.

Investigators are looking into whether postpartum depression could have played a role in the attack, McManus said. Authorities said they were looking into Sanchez's mental health history to see if there was anything "significant" but did not elaborate.
Ghastly stuff. I cannot fathom what it must have been like to be in the shoes of one of the crime scene investigators in this tragic and terrible situation.

Renatus 07-27-2009 05:50 PM

Somone took the eating dead babies jokes a bit too seriously.

But frankly while I find myself disgusted hearing this, since I live one county over from where Jeffery Dahmer lived I'm find myself saying it could be worse. Now if you excuse me I have to get my mind off this.

Tumor 07-27-2009 05:51 PM

I simply don't know what do say. Anything I could say would sound pathetic in the face of such a terrible incident.

korinna5555 07-27-2009 05:52 PM

Maybe she thought she was a hamster?


It's horribly sad, though.. poor kid.

Haunted House 07-27-2009 06:50 PM

Maybe she's a zombie.

Lord Whiskerton 07-28-2009 07:38 AM

Quite obscene.

zerademark 07-28-2009 09:11 AM

Indeed. *shrugs* but yeah, there are about 6 million humans on the Earth. What does it matter if 1 baby gets eaten?

Lord Whiskerton, would you do the honours of marrying me?

-Zerachiel de Mark-

alyroi360 07-28-2009 09:22 AM

hmm... a bit sad, but humans are no different than any animal on earth. hamsters eat their own babies as well. The woman is obviously in psychological distress, therefore consuming her child. If she turns out to be a serial killer, good for her, there aren't that many around at the moment...

zerademark 07-28-2009 09:45 AM

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hmm... a bit sad, but humans are no different than any animal on earth
Finally someone who isnt arrogant!!!

HavelockV 07-28-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by zerademark (Post 549336)
Indeed. *shrugs* but yeah, there are about 6 million humans on the Earth. What does it matter if 1 baby gets eaten?
-Zerachiel de Mark-

An excellent suggestion. Perhaps then you would volunteer one of your own offspring to feed someone in the future, since you seem so obviously unperturbed by this turn of events. Of course, if you object to such a suggestion, I suppose you would be implicated in the 'arrogance' that you accuse others of exhibiting.

And by the by, approximately six billion humans occupy this planet.

zerademark 07-28-2009 10:06 AM

Who says I'm not arrogant?
And yes, thank you. Six Billion people. Dang, even worse...

And no, I dont encourage people to eat eachother, except if its for survival. Same goes for animals.

But anyway, I'm going to post a thread involving my thoughts about reducing the human population to 500 people somewhere. I wonder, where would be the best place to do that?
In another site, the discussion wether humans were worthy enough to live (started by me) ran for about 7 pages. I'm pretty sure I'll receive better arguments here and less bashing.

-ZDM-

alyroi360 07-28-2009 10:24 AM

Hmmm... I'm a vegetarian. But I don't see a problem with reducing the human population a few notches.

HavelockV 07-28-2009 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by zerademark (Post 549349)
Who says I'm not arrogant?

And no, I dont encourage people to eat eachother, except if its for survival. Same goes for animals.
-ZDM-

It was not my intention to suggest that you would encourage someone to eat your offspring. I was merely commenting that if you were thoroughly devoted to your attitude regarding the value of human life, you would not object if someone wanted to kill and eat your child; especially if such a sacrifice were required for the survival of at least one other human being. I do not consider this a form of "bashing" so much as, to employ the vernacular, "putting your money where your mouth is."

I admit I am slightly confounded at how you joyfully declare finally having found someone who "isn't arrogant" and then turn around and essentially assert that you yourself are arrogant. Remarkable.

Saya 07-28-2009 11:03 AM

Sick, poor baby! I don't think I can eat now.

The lady who owns the Cake Wrecks blog put up a post today about cakes shaped like babies but put a note saying that it was entirely coincidential and had nothing to do with what was going on in the news, and sorry if anyone was offended, I was wondering what that was about.

alyroi360 07-28-2009 11:06 AM

The way you type makes me want to take out a metal pole and beat you with it until you die. You sound like one of those idiotic political dirt bags. Human life is just like any other thing that lives. We are full of our "god-like" selves, and we're up on a pedistal before everything else. Someone died today, who gives a shit? Animals go to slaughter everyday for the purpose of somebody wants to eat them, but they don't NEED to eat them. It's a waste, and it's stupid. Humans ruin everything. WE are a plague, especially stupid ones like you, plus all of the fake plastic bitches that go to parties and get wasted when they're fourteen. If my child died, sure I'd be sad for a while, but who or what would not be? In my opinion, you're the arrogant fool here, Havelock.

Lady Christine 07-28-2009 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by zerademark (Post 549349)
Who says I'm not arrogant?
And yes, thank you. Six Billion people. Dang, even worse...

And no, I dont encourage people to eat eachother, except if its for survival. Same goes for animals.

But anyway, I'm going to post a thread involving my thoughts about reducing the human population to 500 people somewhere. I wonder, where would be the best place to do that?
In another site, the discussion wether humans were worthy enough to live (started by me) ran for about 7 pages. I'm pretty sure I'll receive better arguments here and less bashing.

-ZDM-

So who is included in this group of 500 people? Certainly not you, there are more worthy human beings to be included in this 500. If you sit down and claim you want population control be willing to sacrifice yourself and your loved ones for the furthering of human society or don't suggest it. But back to your Utopia... there is possibility you won't be eliminated in this hypothetical 500 scenario, but your chances are 800 million to 1. Personally if I were you I'd invest in a game of Russian Roulette instead.

Saya 07-28-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by alyroi360 (Post 549370)
The way you type makes me want to take out a metal pole and beat you with it until you die. You sound like one of those idiotic political dirt bags. Human life is just like any other thing that lives. We are full of our "god-like" selves, and we're up on a pedistal before everything else. Someone died today, who gives a shit? Animals go to slaughter everyday for the purpose of somebody wants to eat them, but they don't NEED to eat them. It's a waste, and it's stupid. Humans ruin everything. WE are a plague, especially stupid ones like you, plus all of the fake plastic bitches that go to parties and get wasted when they're fourteen. If my child died, sure I'd be sad for a while, but who or what would not be? In my opinion, you're the arrogant fool here, Havelock.

So why kill everyone? Replace all the animal deaths with human deaths? Why not just promote veganism and animal rights so neither has to happen? Yeah we're a plague but pretty much every life is, everyone and everything competes with something else for resources, the trick is getting through life with causing as little damage as you can.

Someone died today? Thats terrible. A life was ended in an extremely cruel way, and a baby no less, who is innocent and defenseless. Why do you mourn the deaths of billions of animals but feel heartless when a human infant dies in a similar manner? And if we're all equal but we're all a plague and need to die, why are you still living and judging everyone else for living?

See, while yes a lot of species go extinct because of us, several others profit from our existence (vermin, insects, etc) A lot die but there is still a lot of life and life will always continue. No matter what we do to the planet or ourselves life will go on, how is it putting us up on a pedestal saying human life is worth something, but then turning around and saying humans are so powerful that we'll end the world and we must be destroyed is not even worse?

alyroi360 07-28-2009 12:05 PM

I didn't say kill everyone and not animals. I lack sympathy for us because we have ruined so much of our world. Animals don't deserve to die, they have done nothing but continue their circle of living. Humans? take, take, take, most of us. It just so happens that we are of higher intelligence, so most take advantage of that, yes? What are the concequences of that, I ask you?

I live because I am alive. I am not so far along in my insanity that I wish to cause my family pain. I am a terrible person for my views on humanity, that is right. I constantly judge myself for living as well, so I also must ask why others happen to be alive. We live on a dying planet. Everyday, we all get closer. When something is born, it begins to die, ever heard that expression? So everything MUST die, it just so happens that we are not helping anything as we are. So that person died in a cruel way. That is no different than something else dying in a cruel way, or dying in general. Human life is worth just as much as any other life. What is wrong with saying that?

Saya 07-28-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alyroi360 (Post 549394)
I didn't say kill everyone and not animals. I lack sympathy for us because we have ruined so much of our world. Animals don't deserve to die, they have done nothing but continue their circle of living.

Babies do even less than animals, they can't hunt or kill or anything, they rely solely on the mercy of others.

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Humans? take, take, take, most of us. It just so happens that we are of higher intelligence, so most take advantage of that, yes? What are the concequences of that, I ask you?
Its a curse and a blessing but not one I would wish away. Humans don't have to be horrible, so why not just work towards a better world? Misanthropy doesn't get anyone anywhere.

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I live because I am alive. I am not so far along in my insanity that I wish to cause my family pain. I am a terrible person for my views on humanity, that is right. I constantly judge myself for living as well, so I also must ask why others happen to be alive. We live on a dying planet. Everyday, we all get closer. When something is born, it begins to die, ever heard that expression? So everything MUST die, it just so happens that we are not helping anything as we are. So that person died in a cruel way. That is no different than something else dying in a cruel way, or dying in general. Human life is worth just as much as any other life. What is wrong with saying that?
Its the way it died, and what died. This wasn't an evil person who was viciously cannibalized, it was an innocent baby. Everything must die but thats just horribly unnecessary, a lot like its horribly unnecessary that animals die for us, but without the normalization and desentization that most people have about meat eating. And then, not only was it a vicious murder but it was by the hand of its mother. If human life is worth just as much as any other life, so why does animals dying bum you out but not human babies dying?

Still Jack 07-28-2009 12:46 PM

Hey, If you ain't got nothing in the fridge!!! Grab a child, they're nourishing and tasty, get yourself a child today.

Lord Whiskerton 07-28-2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zerademark (Post 549336)


Lord Whiskerton, would you do the honours of marrying me?

-Zerachiel de Mark-

I am quite flattered, but I must deny your request. I am content with my marriage to Lady Whiskerton.

Alarica 07-28-2009 02:59 PM

It's sick, and my initial reaction was one of shock, and hoping they would slowly torture the evil bitch to death. Then I read lord knows how many comments on the news posts, all in the womans favour. I dont give a fuck how depressed she was, or what non-existent 'voice' made her do it. She didn't just kill her innocent baby. She cut him up, ate his brain, and ripped his face off, amongst other things. Officers who went to the crime scene will have to live with the memory of that day, imprinted on their minds. All because some nut job was let loose and allowed to breed. What makes this vile cunt's actions worse is knowing other American women have done similar things to their children and were found not guilty due to insanity, so theres a very real possibility she'll get the same.

That's ok then. You are free to kill your children and the law will protect you as long as you can prove you are insane. Useful methods include 'Satan made me do it' 'I was doing it for god' and 'the voices told me to do it because the children were evil'.

korinna5555 07-28-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Haunted House (Post 549281)
Maybe she's a zombie.

Daba daba daba daba daba!

alyroi360 07-28-2009 03:20 PM

Like I said, Saya. I'm a terrible person. Babies... innocent, yes. I really don't like to be near babies because I'm afraid that I might hurt them. I don't know why it doesn't bother me to hear it, but it's just the way my mind works. I don't like to be near animals very often, either. I'm afraid that one day I'm actually going to give in to my mind and obey my thirst for blood. I'm a pretty awkward person when it comes to social health... But... I'm proud to say that I intend to stay in therapy and do my best not to hurt anyone. No worries, yet. If anybody slowly tortures me to death... I'll deserve it. I don't necessarily like what I've become.

Lady Christine 07-28-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by alyroi360 (Post 549436)
Like I said, Saya. I'm a terrible person. Babies... innocent, yes. I really don't like to be near babies because I'm afraid that I might hurt them. I don't know why it doesn't bother me to hear it, but it's just the way my mind works. I don't like to be near animals very often, either. I'm afraid that one day I'm actually going to give in to my mind and obey my thirst for blood. I'm a pretty awkward person when it comes to social health... But... I'm proud to say that I intend to stay in therapy and do my best not to hurt anyone. No worries, yet. If anybody slowly tortures me to death... I'll deserve it. I don't necessarily like what I've become.

I highly recommend talking to your therapist about treatments for sociopathic behavior, there are many anti-psychotics that are decently effective. What you're saying pings up sociopath for me.

Xombie 07-28-2009 10:12 PM

Oh, boo. What a stinkin' bummer!

Godslayer Jillian 07-28-2009 10:52 PM

People that have less sympathy for humans than animals are fucking idiots.

Alarica 07-29-2009 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alyroi360 (Post 549436)
Like I said, Saya. I'm a terrible person. Babies... innocent, yes. I really don't like to be near babies because I'm afraid that I might hurt them. I don't know why it doesn't bother me to hear it, but it's just the way my mind works.

Atleast you recognise it and admit it. Few people like you do. When my eldest daughter was 2yrs old, we were walking to my mums house. There was a woman walking with what I assume was a teenager of about 15. This girl stopped dead, pointed at my daughter and just kept screaming 'babies are bastards, babies are bastards' over and over. My daughter was hysterical, and I went ballistic at the woman. Her excuse was 'she's got a mental illness, and doesnt like children'. So the obvious thing to do was walk her in a village where there are a fair number of children.

Anima_Severem 07-29-2009 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alarica (Post 549474)
Atleast you recognise it and admit it. Few people like you do. When my eldest daughter was 2yrs old, we were walking to my mums house. There was a woman walking with what I assume was a teenager of about 15. This girl stopped dead, pointed at my daughter and just kept screaming 'babies are bastards, babies are bastards' over and over. My daughter was hysterical, and I went ballistic at the woman. Her excuse was 'she's got a mental illness, and doesnt like children'. So the obvious thing to do was walk her in a village where there are a fair number of children.

...What the fuck?

I have autism. I'm childfree. I hate kids. But even I think that's a bit outside the realm of sanity. Even though I hate kids I don't flip out and go "babies are bastards". As much as I can't stand babies and small children, it's not usually their fault when they do the shit that makes me hate kids. And I don't even hate all kids, just the annoying brats that can trigger me to melt down in public. Such actions are usually the result of the child's behavior going unmoderated by clueless, rude or selfish parents. Hardly anything will trigger me to melt down anymore, but one of the things that does is a screaming toddler. It hits right in the threshold of pain. Add hyperacusis and you have one psycho Aspergian lady on your hands.

As for the case at hand...

They need to put her away. I'm actually willing to make the rare exception here to my usual sentiment that people who kill infants in cold blood should be executed. This woman is clearly out of her mind, and I don't think certifiably mentally ill people should be executed.

DRM 07-29-2009 07:38 AM

Alyroi360- If you dislike humans so much, aren't you being a self-loathing hypocrat by being alive?

Godslayer Jillian 07-29-2009 10:19 AM

Leave low self-esteem doctors out of this.

JCC 07-29-2009 11:22 AM

I love that the zerademark shithead who trades Yu Gi Oh cards like it was a black market profession, likes the Fast and the Furious and generally exhibits tendencies of being a worthless anthropomorphic pile of excrement thinks that it would be a good idea to reduce the human population to 500 as if he would be a shoe-in for candidacy. By the way, you're a pretty shitty Muslim.

alyroi360 07-29-2009 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM (Post 549501)
Alyroi360- If you dislike humans so much, aren't you being a self-loathing hypocrat by being alive?

Like I said before I'm not so far along in my insanity to cause my family pain. I'm not close to very many people, so it's important... I am in therapy by the way, I used to cut myself because I think that I'm an abomination and need to die because my sanity is stretched so thin. I don't want to hurt anyone, so it's a duality. I keep myself alive, I restrain myself, and both are very, very hard to keep going... but it's going to flip one way or the other eventually right? I just hope I have enough sense to die first. Yes, I am self-loathing. Hypocrite? No. It's strange how much that word is carelessly thrown around on this site...

Renatus 07-29-2009 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anima_Severem (Post 549477)
...What the fuck?

I have autism. I'm childfree. I hate kids. But even I think that's a bit outside the realm of sanity. Even though I hate kids I don't flip out and go "babies are bastards". As much as I can't stand babies and small children, it's not usually their fault when they do the shit that makes me hate kids. And I don't even hate all kids, just the annoying brats that can trigger me to melt down in public. Such actions are usually the result of the child's behavior going unmoderated by clueless, rude or selfish parents. Hardly anything will trigger me to melt down anymore, but one of the things that does is a screaming toddler. It hits right in the threshold of pain. Add hyperacusis and you have one psycho Aspergian lady on your hands.

As for the case at hand...

Oh my, you are certainly a rarity among our kind. I think I have only met one other female with aspergers.

For those of you who don't know female autistics are rare and even rarer among those of us with aspergers, whether this is due to it being more prevalent in men or the fact that female autistics blend in better with normal society is currently unknown.

Not Tha Duckman 07-29-2009 02:00 PM

This thread is full of stupid.

Anima_Severem 07-29-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by alyroi360 (Post 549526)
Like I said before I'm not so far along in my insanity to cause my family pain. I'm not close to very many people, so it's important... I am in therapy by the way, I used to cut myself because I think that I'm an abomination and need to die because my sanity is stretched so thin. I don't want to hurt anyone, so it's a duality. I keep myself alive, I restrain myself, and both are very, very hard to keep going... but it's going to flip one way or the other eventually right? I just hope I have enough sense to die first. Yes, I am self-loathing. Hypocrite? No. It's strange how much that word is carelessly thrown around on this site...

I've learned to deal with my own lack of sanity. I've turned it into a point for comedy.

Joker_in_the_Pack 07-29-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by havelockv (Post 549268)
http://news.aol.com/article/police-s...s-brain/588892



ghastly stuff. I cannot fathom what it must have been like to be in the shoes of one of the crime scene investigators in this tragic and terrible situation.

chileeeeeees baybeh back ribs!

d0p3y 08-04-2009 04:23 AM

I wonder what was going through her mind when she was doing this, i havent been exposed to many truely insane people just the usual sociopath but nothing this demented i am just curios what goes in the thought process of individuals such as this.

Still Jack 08-04-2009 04:26 AM

Try and study psychology then?

Malice In Wonderland 08-04-2009 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Still Jack (Post 550119)
Try and study psychology then?

I heard of a shortcut...

DemiGoth 08-09-2009 12:48 PM

The devil told her to eat and dismember the 3 week old baby? And she did? That's sad on two levels in my opinion. It's sad that the baby had to be eaten alive (my worst nightmare) and it's sad that she failed as a mother to protect her own baby. She picked herself over an infant? And then she slit her own throat? Now what could the "Devil" have done worse to her had she not eaten her child. She only made matters worse for everyone.

I don't think I'll be able to eat for a while now... And I have a sudden feeling of puking...

HavelockV 08-09-2009 05:25 PM

[quote=DemiGoth;552017]It's sad that the baby had to be eaten alive (my worst nightmare) ...QUOTE]

While I concur with you regarding the horrifying nature of this incident, I find it difficult to believe that anyone, much less an infant, could be 'alive' after having been dismembered and decapitated. *winks good-naturedly*

Schazmyrrh 08-10-2009 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by alyroi360 (Post 549339)
hmm... a bit sad, but humans are no different than any animal on earth.

Except that we claim to be 'rational' beings.

This article is probably the most sordid and horrifying piece of news I've read in a while.

Faeir 08-11-2009 09:03 AM

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The woman is obviously in psychological distress, therefore consuming her child.
Like my gerbil. ...Strange comparison.



Oh and, I agree the world could do without some people. So do most of the population.

But almost all of these people (including me) don't want to be the ones that die, you know?


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