Salvia
 

Can someone please tell me why Salvia divinorum is legal...and cannibus isn't. I ask this question because of my experience aka. my thread in whining.

Salvia can't be used for more efficient and ecological paper production the way CANNABIS can.

o.0....Well I'm sure that's a factor but what about the whole aspect of it completely FUCKING you up.

It's only like a fifteen minute trip. The likelihood of you getting into a car during said trip is null.

But dude I fucked my face up bad from a freakin 10 min. trip..I had to get fucking stitches...I never ever went through anything like that while smoking weed.

What about it 'completely FUCKING you up'?
You're not suggesting that the solution is making salvia illegal too, are you?

I know. It's fuckin retarded. I thought my friend was fred flintstone and then he was homer an then I broke my ankle and fainted. Don't remember how I broke my ankle.

LSD is illegal but it's hard to keep tabs on the people who use. Rather than make it illegal they'll tax it.

All I have to say is "God, grant me the serenity to except the things I can, the courage to burn buildings down, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Keep coming back, it works if you work it"

I do not know why salvia is legal, but here in canada weed is also pretty much decriminalized.....it helps ease anxieties while smoking or drinking it...I have only ever had pleasant experiences with salvia...it always makes me wonder about things such as where birds are flying too or how the sun ignited, but I have always smoked it on an island surrounded by willow trees

No not at all...all my friends enjoyed it greatly, and thought they were pockets and teddy bears and stuff...so I wouldn't want to ruin it for them...I'm just saying though...that it really just doesn't make sense

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Salvia isn't legal everywhere, anymore. It's illegal in nine US states, and a ban is under consideration in several others.

Salvia is much more useful as an ethenogen as opposed to a recreational drug. Salvia is not a "fun" drug, and I've only ever found it useful as a meditation aid. It can yield some pretty trippy artwork, but other than that..


After reading your thread in whining, you are an absolute fucktard. It's people like you that have led to the criminalization of salvia.

Maybe YOU just can't fathom the concept of it not effecting everyone the same way! All my friends were just fine...I was apparently the only one who hallucinated that bad....I'm saying it's bad for ME...And I know damn well that its illegal in nine states...but it obviously fucks you up a billion times more than weed....which I smoke almost every day....and thats what I'm trying to get at.

Stick with carbon dioxide. Soda bottle whippets!!!

WHICH IS WHY YOU SHOULD EXERCISE CARE WHEN TRYING A NEW DRUG.



I know several people who can't handle even a little bit of weed. It all depends on the person, but saying that isalvia's "worse" than weed after one [irresponsible] trip is a ridiculous generalization.

For someone who claims to hate the government (and congress) you seem rather surprised about this.

Okay...I understand that no matter what I say...your gonna bash it so i'm just gonna end this with saying that yes it was really stupid of me to take such a high amount of salvia for my first time....BUT we all make mistakes so you shouldn't throw it my face over and over again when I already know that I OBVIOUSLY made a mistake...and Salvia is A HALLUCINATORY drug... and it is totally different from weed...Whats the worst that can happen from smoking weed?? Passing out?? I totally think salvia is more intense

Well it just baffles my mind everyday to see how things really are!

I don't know what this Cannibus is of which you speak.

Sorry my spelling sucks as of late.

Salvia in it's natural, plant form is mild, and it would take a good amount of time and plant to experience what you mentioned in the Whining section. To take extract your first time was dumb, let alone taking 40x. Concentrated THC could very easily have a similar effect on a person, so salvia's not that different from weed. Cut the bullshit.

As for "throwing it in your face".. you're the one posting multiple threads about how stupid you were/are. If you think salvia is too intense for you, DON'T TAKE IT AGAIN.

^^^^ Your just mean!

Ahem, that would be "you're".. thanks. Have a nice day.

You too meanie!

I think it might have to do with the fact that, physiologically, salvia is quite harmless. Marijuana, on the other hand, can effect significant changes in the brain. Keeping in mind that salvia hasn't really undergone anywhere near the amount of testing that cannabis has, so further study might come up with more "damning" evidence against salvia.

Also, what someone said about it not being a recreational drug. It's "interesting", but not a lot of "fun". So it's not as exciting for the government to rush to quash it's use :P But seriously, for that reason there aren't really issues with "abuse" of salvia, which is a key determinant in government banning a substance.

Well what you said about the government makes alot of sense. But as for the changes in the brain thing...I'm gonna have to disagree...My mind is messed up bad from that on hit...I've been seeing light flickers in random places...and patterns turn into faces and I can't really focus on any one thing that well...it sucks! I know it probably all has to do with the amount though...so its all my bad

You didn't need to say that.
It's pretty obvious that you never, ever post with a clear and focused mind.

I call MASSIVE FUCKING BULLSHIT and PURE POSTURE.

It's all based on politics these days. LSD was legal in the 60's, until Nixon decided it shouldn't be and it was behind all the hippie movements and made it the scapegoat for the anti-war movement.

Ecstasy was legal and sold in nightclubs across America until 1984, when alchohol produces saw it cutting into their profits, then bush/regan decided it was causing moral decay in the youth and they had to criminalise it.

GHB was legal until 1999, when Clinton thought it was being used as a date **** drug and banned it.

Marijuana was banned back during prohibition, because paper companies did not want hemp competing with their timber futures.

Once some politician finds a way to make themselves look like a white knight saving the public from some evil they can loosely link to salvia, it will be made illegal as well.

You can think what you want...I really wish I could meet you in person and PROVE to you that I'm indeed NOT LYING

How the hell would you do that?
And why would you want to?

Don't worry about the patterns. I don't know exactly how it works, but hallucinogens work by randomly firing neurons that aren't normally used. Instead of dying from disuse, the randomly fired neurons survive and your brain builds new thought passages from them. Your thought process is just a little different now. I'm pretty sure it doesn't last too long, so your mind isn't messed, just a little...redirected.

I don't know whether thats a good thing or not :P

I'd like me some psilocybin (magic mushrooms). I heard they can have a long term effect of improving your overall outlook on life.

Dude you can get some really good ones from bouncingbearbotanicals

for pretty cheap too ^_^

I suddenly feel so much better about myself knowing I've never taken an illegal drug in my life.

Why is that?

Well it all depends on preference.

Cos I might've ended up like Vindicated.

I'm not trying to start shit when I say that you are a pretentious coward correcting peoples grammar behind your internet anonymity.
This seems to have a pertinent sociological application.
I believe John Gabriel has his internet Fuckwad theory. It simply states that; given anonymity, a person will say or do things without fear that they will be hunted down.
Be grateful for the anonymity, it's why you still have teeth.

You ever notice that once someone's been corrected on some part of their grammar or spelling they start talking way more eloquently than they were before? Like as if to say "Aha, the joke's on you now. That last word had four syllables in it! I am obviously not stupid."

Salvia blows. First time I did it I didn't have ANYTHING even RESEMBLING hallucinations. I just felt very calm. Not pot high calm, just tranquil and clear.

Well shit. You didn't even have to meditate or pay for a relaxing massage to get there! That's worth it.

$40 an ounce.

Still have a good bit left over. Maybe I need a stronger one. Bleh.

Ok, drug question to you addicts out there.

Any good thing to get you hyper and fast that isn't Meth or a derivative?
Don 't say Caffeine. I used to down 4 liters of Mountain Dew every morning in high school. I'm all but immune.

Yes I have. I do hope you don't think the correction was aimed towards me though. That would be embarrassing for both of us as we would be arguing about nothing from here on out.

Actually because you might have ended up killing yourself by now.

Good call on not doing Meth, it's a healthy decision. Pretty much all of the uppers are amphetamine based, though MDMA is the "safest". The only problem with X is that it's usuall cocktailed with something else. Personally, I've had hits that had speed (Amphetamine), some had caffiene, and two were almost straight meth. If you get them from someone you know and trust, preferably someone who has sampled the batch you're buying from, you usually don't have to worry too much.

Though I will say if you're looking for a show drug, the HUGE problem with all amphetamines and uppers is that they cause you're body temperature to skyrocket. If you're in a packed club, it get's REALLY hot quite fast, and you have to be really careful to avoid severe dehydration and heat stroke. Me and a friend drank about 6-8 L (almost two gallons, I believe) of water at a 3.5 hour show.

Also: if you payed $40 for an O of Salvia, thats gotta be some of the shittiest salvia ever to be sold for consumption. Either that or it was unprocessed leaves straight from the plant. What you want is to find a nice 20X concentrate and smoke that. Make sure you hold the smoke in for as long as you physically can, and repeat doing so until you start tripping, at which point I severely doubt you could make yourself smoke more.

I wasn't aiming my comment at anyone in particular.

Why?

Depends on what drugs you experiment with. Pot and Salvia are incredibly unlikely to result in death, but a bad batch of magic mushrooms can kill you, as well as with pills you sometimes don't know what you're really getting. I double dropped (bad idea) two pills I got from a random guy at a bus stop (really bad idea) and spent about 7 hours reminding myself to breathe curled up in a ball feeling like my head was about to pop. Also, with hallucinogens such as acid and mushrooms, there's a chance you'll overlook something important, like that car 20 feet down the road going 100km/h.

Responsible drug use isn't hard though, so fear not. As long as the hard stuff like extasy, acid, speed, etc. is kept down to an occasional use s'all good.

Regardless of legal or not one takes it apon themselves to do any sort of drug.
One can hardly blame the govornment if you smashed your face up . You chose to try a drug and found out what happend after it.