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Mir 10-09-2009 08:19 AM

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
 
Quote:

WASHINGTON/OSLO (Reuters) - Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision that honoured the first-year U.S. president more for promise than achievement and drew both praise and scepticism around the world.
The bestowal of one of the world's top accolades on a president less than nine months in office, who has yet to score a major foreign policy success, was greeted with gasps of astonishment from journalists at the announcement in Oslo.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee praised Obama for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," citing his fledgling push for nuclear disarmament and his outreach to the Muslim world.
Obama has been widely credited with improving America's international image after the eight-year presidency of George W. Bush, who alienated both friends and foes with go-it-alone policies like the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
But critics called the Nobel's committee's decision premature, given that Obama so far has won few concrete gains as he grapples with global crises ranging from the war in Afghanistan and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea.
The White House had no idea the Nobel announcement was coming.
Obama's press secretary woke him with the news before dawn and the president felt "humbled" by the award, a senior administration official said.
When told in an email from Reuters that many people around the world were stunned by the announcement, Obama's senior adviser, David Axelrod, responded: "As are we."
The first African-American to hold his country's highest office, Obama, 48, has called for disarmament and worked to restart stalled Middle East peace moves since taking office in January.
"Very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the Nobel committee said in its citation.
Despite problems at home including a struggling economy that have eaten into his early high public approval ratings, the U.S. president is still widely seen around the world as an inspirational figure.
Obama laid out his vision on eliminating nuclear arms in a speech in Prague in April. But he was not the first American president to set that goal, and acknowledged it might not be reached in his lifetime.
Obama was to make a statement in the White House Rose Garden at 11:00 a.m. EDT (4:00 p.m. British time). Obama, a Democrat, is struggling at home with high unemployment and resistance in Congress to his healthcare reform plans.
Obama will travel to Oslo to receive the prize, Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said after speaking with the U.S. president on Friday. The prize is handed out on December 10, the anniversary of the 1896 death of the award's founder, Alfred Nobel.
While the award won praise from such statesmen as Nelson Mandela and Mikhail Gorbachev, both Nobel laureates, it was also attacked in some quarters as hasty and undeserved.
Afghanistan's Taliban mocked the award.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, speaking to Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location, said it was absurd to give a peace award to a man who had sent 21,000 extra troops to Afghanistan, and Obama "should have won the 'Nobel Prize for escalating violence and killing civilians.'"
Obama is considering a request from his top commander in Afghanistan to send him at least 40,000 more troops.
The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip and opposes a peace treaty with Israel, said the award was premature at best.
EMBARRASSING "JOKE"
Nobel Committee Chairman Thorbjoern Jagland rejected suggestions from journalists that Obama was getting the prize too early, saying it recognized what he had already done over the past year.
"We hope this can contribute a little bit to enhance what he is trying to do," he told a news conference.
Obama is the fourth U.S. president to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize after Jimmy Carter won in 2002, Woodrow Wilson picked it up in 1919 and Theodore Roosevelt was chosen for the 1906 prize.
Issam al-Khazraji, a day labourer in Baghdad, said of Obama: "He doesn't deserve this prize. All these problems -- Iraq, Afghanistan -- have not been solved . . . man of 'change' hasn't changed anything yet."
Liaqat Baluch, a senior leader of the Jamaat-e-Islami, a conservative religious party in Pakistan, called the award an embarrassing "joke."
But the chief Palestinian peace negotiator, Saeb Erekat, welcomed it and expressed hope that Obama "will be able to achieve peace in the Middle East."
While many Americans voiced pride, some were puzzled.
"It would be wonderful if I could think why he won," said Claire Sprague, 82, a retired English professor as she walked her dog in Manhattan's Greenwich Village. "They wanted to give him an honour I guess, but I can't think what for."
The committee said it attached "special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons," saying he had "created a new climate in international politics."
Without naming Bush, it highlighted the differences in America's engagement with the rest of the world since the change of administration in January.
"Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play.
"Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts," it said, and the United States was playing a more constructive role in tackling climate change. The committee awarded former U.S. Vice President Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change the peace prize in 2007 for their work on fighting global warming.
Obama is negotiating arms cuts with Russia, and last month dropped plans to base elements of a U.S. anti-missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic. Moscow had seen the scheme as a threat, despite U.S. assurances it was directed against Iran.
On other pressing issues, Obama is deliberating whether to send more troops to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan, and is still searching for breakthroughs on Iran's disputed nuclear program and on Middle East peace.
Israel's foreign minister said on Thursday there was no chance of a peace deal for many years.
Zimbabwean Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, who had been tipped as a favourite for the prize, told Reuters that Obama was a deserving candidate and an "extraordinary example."
Obama's uncle Said Obama told Reuters by telephone from the president's ancestral village of Kogelo in western Kenya: "It is humbling for us as a family and we share in Barack's honour ... we congratulate him."
The prize is worth 10 million Swedish crowns (897,162 pounds).
(Additional reporting by Oslo newsroom, Kamran Haider in Pakistan, Mohammed Assadi, Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; Mark Denge in Nairobi, Jason Webb in Spain; Writing by Alistair Bell, Editing by Howard Goller and Frances Kerry)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5981JP20091009?sp=true


A little premature (he hasn't yet accomplished many of the things he promised), or perfect timing to add momentum to things he's pushing for? Thoughts? Opinions?

Btw, Gandhi has been nominated times, and hasn't won.

gothicusmaximus 10-09-2009 08:22 AM

So, I think I've made some pretty good posts here on Gnet. Where's my Pulitzer?

Delkaetre 10-09-2009 08:29 AM

It does seem very early, and there are a hell of a lot of people out there who've been working all their lives and actually making a change.

However, he *has* become an icon. Obama is this globally recognised figure who stands for hope, healthcare, dignity, international peace, etc. He's been making very clear and strong stands on a whole variety of issues that have previously been ignored or handled badly- that alone is worth a lot. America's a hugely influential power, and the opinion of US president carries a lot of weight. If he says he's up for world peace and makes the moves to show it, he can make a big difference.

TLDR- he's a very useful icon and giving him the Nobel Peace Prize gives him even greater credibility and usefulness.

Mir 10-09-2009 09:05 AM

It is early. Don't get me wrong, I like Obama, and the moves he's made, but at this point in time, all I can go on is what he's said, not done. Guantanamo bay doesn't have a concrete deadline for closure, he is said to be considering icreasing troop presence in Afghanistan/Iraq, his health care bills face heated opposition, etc.

I really hope he manages to accomplish many of the things that he's promised. Especially on the International stage.

If the Nobel nod can hasten this process in any way, than I say hell yeah to that.

viscus 10-09-2009 09:06 AM

I voted for Obama and all, but this was a stupid move for the Nobel Committee. Their damaging their own credibility and inciting those Americans who dislike Obama in part because of his international popularity. Why they want to politicize the Nobel Peace Prize like this is beyond me.

creature6 10-09-2009 09:53 AM

here are a few comments on what people thought about Obama getting a Nobel price.


1 Sets him up for a fall. A lot of hope and expectation on words and promises, but short on measurable action/ achievement. In time it may be proven fair, but way too early. I always thought it was about achievement not about potential. In science it can take a life-time to be truly recognized. He's not even completed a year in office and has nothing tangible to show so far that supports this award.

Andrew, Geneva .


2 Are you kidding me. This man has done nothing to deserve this and I am glad most of the world agrees with me, he's a sweet talker and that's all.The U.S.A. is in shambles,and he has surrounded himself with cronies,tax cheats, and perverts. Give me a break 'Nobel' you are a disgrace.Leaving Israel out to fend for themselves is not promoting peace.

dan szklarz, worcester, United States .

3 A bit too early for such an award! His record is by no means extraordinary in this respect
what's their hurry?

Denis, Brussels .

4 So a man who is currently bombing two countries (Iraq, Afghanistan), waging terrorist campaigns against several others (Pakistan, Iran), supports Israeli colonialism and mass murder, and aids nuclear proliferators (India) has been awarded a 'peace' prize.

There's not much else to say about the bankruptcy of the Nobel prize and the complicity of the mass media for not laughing the whole thing out of the room.

David Traynier, Colchester, United Kingdom .

5 Obama did nothing to this world to get such prize. It dishonor all of Noble Prize Winners

symon, dhaka .

6 No way should Obama have won the Nobel Peace Prize! I think it's sad the the Nobel Committee cannot come up with a better candidate, let alone winner for this prestigious prize. Maybe if all of his idealistic goals are accomplished in a couple years, will he deserve the prize. However, other than the U.S. gaining popularity worldwide, our country is not dramatically different from a year ago when Bush is president. If Obama can accomplish his goals, he will deserve the prize, but not yet.

John, LA .

There are many more that you can find on this website(newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID)


i personally think that it's far to early to be giving him a Nobel price.
It's look like a big joke and by doing so they are giving a new meaning to the Nobel price which is not a good one.
i think it's a disgrace and somehow they are mocking people who had won Nobel Prices in the past .I'm talking about people who actually deserved it.

Saya 10-09-2009 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mir (Post 570683)
Btw, Gandhi has been nominated times, and hasn't won.

So has Thich Nhat Hanh. I mean, Martin Luther King Jr nominated him, how could he lose?

Mir 10-09-2009 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saya (Post 570704)
So has Thich Nhat Hanh. I mean, Martin Luther King Jr nominated him, how could he lose?

Blows my mind. Btw I forgot to add five to that sentence.

Beneath the Shadows 10-09-2009 10:53 AM

Huh. And here I thought that the Nobel Peace Prize actually meant something. Silly me.

skoteinh 10-09-2009 11:03 AM

Nobel Peace Prize => Here's hoping...

Saya 10-09-2009 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows (Post 570716)
Huh. And here I thought that the Nobel Peace Prize actually meant something. Silly me.

I think when Kissinger won was when you could figure out its pretty much a meaningless award.

creature6 10-09-2009 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows (Post 570716)
Huh. And here I thought that the Nobel Peace Prize actually meant something. Silly me.

well that's what i thought but apparently not any more after seeing that.

I_Zik 10-09-2009 11:45 AM

Same here. It meant something on the order of "helping all humanity." I feel dirtier than before after hearing of him getting the peace prize. Has anyone seen The Obama Deception by Alex Jones? Makes my blood boil at some of the stuff I see in the news.

creature6 10-09-2009 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Zik (Post 570743)
Same here. It meant something on the order of "helping all humanity." I feel dirtier than before after hearing of him getting the peace prize. Has anyone seen The Obama Deception by Alex Jones? Makes my blood boil at some of the stuff I see in the news.

i didn't watched it yet but i'll later.
Every time i listen to the news ,you can hear me cursing from the other side of the world.

creature6 10-09-2009 11:56 AM

For those who are interested to watch it:

(http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0711843120756#)

video.google.com


The Obama Deception
1:51:21
The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. and only by exposing the con can we help to save freedom in America. The Obama Deception is not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation. Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda, and how his initial appointments and actions prove he serves the corporate oligarchs, not the American people. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you.....

KontanKarite 10-09-2009 12:03 PM

Sounds like a set up for a fall. :-/ He's no messiah.

DRM 10-09-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creature6 (Post 570752)
For those who are interested to watch it:

(http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0711843120756#)

video.google.com


The Obama Deception
1:51:21
The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. and only by exposing the con can we help to save freedom in America. The Obama Deception is not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation. Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda, and how his initial appointments and actions prove he serves the corporate oligarchs, not the American people. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you.....


I hope you don't actually count that as a reliable source since it's just a bunch of conspiracy theory.

creature6 10-09-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM (Post 570756)
I hope you don't actually count that as a reliable source since it's just a bunch of conspiracy theory.


just for your fucking information before you jump to conclusion ,it has been mention in a previous post and i posted where to find that video along with the introduction that i of course did not write
i did not watch that video yet but i guess you read that too before you made your fucked up stupid comment.

Mir 10-09-2009 12:49 PM

I saw the first half hour. Waste of my fucking time.

creature6 10-09-2009 01:00 PM

i can't say yet i didn't watch it.
i'll comment on it once i saw it.

creature6 10-09-2009 01:02 PM

why did you think it was a waste of time ?

Despanan 10-09-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Zik (Post 570743)
Same here. It meant something on the order of "helping all humanity." I feel dirtier than before after hearing of him getting the peace prize. Has anyone seen The Obama Deception by Alex Jones? Makes my blood boil at some of the stuff I see in the news.

I hope you can see this, Because I'm doing it as hard as I can:

*FACEPALM*

creature6 10-09-2009 01:11 PM

i can't see anything?
i can't read it.
i think it's too small.

Despanan 10-09-2009 01:14 PM

This is an unbearable strain; but I'm doing it harder than I've ever done it before:

*FACEPALM*

Mir 10-09-2009 01:15 PM

Maybe this will help.

*COLLECTIVE FACEPALM*

creature6 10-09-2009 01:19 PM

the first one is better,the second one is somehow not necessary Mir.
i just love sheep ...
they are cute in their own little way.

Despanan 10-09-2009 01:42 PM

Communal Facepalm:

*InSovietRussia;FACEPALMSYOU!*

creature6 10-09-2009 01:58 PM

hmmmmmmmmmmm still not my style.
i prefer this one.
http://motivateurself.files.wordpres...d-facepalm.jpg

Alan 10-09-2009 01:58 PM

Gandhi didn't win a Nobel Prize. Sartre rejected a Nobel Prize.
Mother Teresa and Henry Kissinger won a Nobel Prize.

It should be common knowledge by now that the Nobel Prize doesn't really stand for anything that really matters.

By the wya, what the fuck is up with people talking about Alex Jones?

Beneath the Shadows 10-09-2009 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Despanan (Post 570772)
This is an unbearable strain; but I'm doing it harder than I've ever done it before:

*FACEPALM*

Looks like you could use some assistance.

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...epalmRiker.jpg

Beneath the Shadows 10-09-2009 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan (Post 570781)
By the wya, what the fuck is up with people talking about Alex Jones?

Well, I_Zik brought up that Obamaspiracy movie, so...

JCC 10-09-2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM (Post 570756)
I hope you don't actually count that as a reliable source since it's just a bunch of conspiracy theory.

Yo, do you remember when you said that watching the Obama Deception changed your views and I verbally assailed you for taking an Alex Jones documentary as a legitimate source for political opinion?

Good times.

Despanan 10-09-2009 02:15 PM

I'm really getting to like JCC.

Jaye Jang 10-09-2009 02:32 PM

Einstein must be spinning in his grave. First they put a McDonald's in the Louvre, then they award Obama a Nobel. I mean, the world is going all wonky. That's a given. But Obama should really decline it because, compared to some of the nominees, he hasn't actually earned it. It almost seems like a 'token' gesture.

Granted Obama is popular, but a Nobel is kind of going overboard. So what's next? He gets his face 'planted' on Mount Rushmore?

DRM 10-09-2009 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creature6 (Post 570759)
just for your fucking information before you jump to conclusion ,it has been mention in a previous post and i posted where to find that video along with the introduction that i of course did not write
i did not watch that video yet but i guess you read that too before you made your fucked up stupid comment.


Well gee, maybe you should re-read what I said. I said "I HOPE" not "You are". Perhaps instead of getting defensive and going on about my "fucked up stupid" comment, you should take the time to let your one celled brain prosses the information you're trying to put in it.

DRM 10-09-2009 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCC (Post 570787)
Yo, do you remember when you said that watching the Obama Deception changed your views and I verbally assailed you for taking an Alex Jones documentary as a legitimate source for political opinion?

Good times.


Yes, yes I do.
Now I know better.

Despanan 10-09-2009 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM (Post 570804)
Yes, yes I do.
Now I know better.

http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/th..._you_know2.jpg

Mir 10-09-2009 03:14 PM

I dislike Alex Jones. I don't mind talking about people I dislike, and morons that don't know what he stands for, and therefore fail to see his agenda. And I'm the sheep. Baaa! Fuck you.

I_Zik 10-09-2009 03:25 PM

It's one person's opinion. It's just the same as finding all your other information, eventually it boils down to a few people's opinions per source. The concept and inception of politics is highly overrated anyways. Although my inclination politically is towards the quest for truth whatever that may be, I would rather follow someone who told you to ask questions and demand answers.

vindicatedxjin 10-09-2009 03:48 PM

Blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Despanan 10-09-2009 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Zik (Post 570816)
It's one person's opinion. It's just the same as finding all your other information, eventually it boils down to a few people's opinions per source. The concept and inception of politics is highly overrated anyways. Although my inclination politically is towards the quest for truth whatever that may be, I would rather follow someone who told you to ask questions and demand answers.

And thus you fall into the same trap that all well-meaning idiots fall into:

Someone presents themselves as a scientific, reasonable, question asker, and you take them on their word and let them tell you the "truth" Because your tiny brain has a little post-modern orgasm and you're too lazy to actually investigate/think about this stuff yourself.

You allow yourself to be indoctrinated by finks, By flashy alarmist charlatans, and you allow your mind to base it's worldview on their shattered, and quite frankly ridiculous logic, until the point where you reject anything reasonable and/or reputable as a "tool" of the "world bankers" (By the way dude, the "World Banker" is just 2009's way of saying "Dirty Jew")

People like Alex Jones are not reputable people, their tactics rely on scare-mongering, ignorance, and half-truths and they make their living off the stupid, the lazy and the mentally deficient.

That's good company to find yourself in; enjoy your tinfoil hat I_Zik.

Mir 10-09-2009 04:39 PM

I was considering responding to his post, but I'm glad I didn't, because I couldn't have done it as well as you just did.

P.s. I really dig your posts in general.

Beneath the Shadows 10-09-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Zik (Post 570816)
I would rather follow someone who told you to ask questions and demand answers.

Read: the vast majority of conspiracy theorists.

Renatus 10-09-2009 05:14 PM

From the second I heard about this I thought it was way to early, THEN I heard about the fact that he had to have been nominated within two weeks of his inaugeration because of the deadline. Now I dont care how good of a president Obama may or may not be, but NOBODY can do anything worth a Nobel Peace prize in the first two weeks on the job. Now sure the money may be going to charity, but frankly if I were Mr. Obama, I would turn down the Nobel peace prize, unfortunately it is too late for that now.

Despanan 10-09-2009 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mir (Post 570840)
I was considering responding to his post, but I'm glad I didn't, because I couldn't have done it as well as you just did.

P.s. I really dig your posts in general.

Thanks. I am pretty awesome.

I_Zik 10-09-2009 10:38 PM

Tin foil hat. You know I could almost see that for a moment. What would that do? Would it stop me from typing and looking up information? Exactly when did the post-modern era start up again? Oh yeah, 1949.
What happens if you find and study seemingly new technologies, and you find out they've been around for 30 some odd years? It isn't post modern to try to build cheap and get excellent quality. To renew resources as well.

I think the more importanrt point I'm trying to make of all of it is I didn't have your so called post-modern orgasm. Plus, I only wear hats when my head is cold. Tin foil is for cooking, and if you're already making them, then have one yourself first.
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/...tinfoilhat.jpg
You only think you're awesome. Why are you lying even to yourself? It's just some behavior you picked up somewhere that basically ended up in you deluding yourself so completely that you don't even question it anymore.

Joker_in_the_Pack 10-09-2009 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mir (Post 570773)
Maybe this will help.

*COLLECTIVE FACEPALM*

God Damn it! These boards can't go twenty posts without starting some sort of collective.

I_Zik 10-09-2009 10:46 PM

I apologise for nothing.

SweetJane 10-09-2009 11:22 PM

Likev I've said before, I ran a conspiracy page through myspace just to be in the hub of what's going on in the interwebs. If you know anything about legitimate research, it's easy to see how things fall together, and how Alex Jones is a complete bag of shit. If you're going to do the conspiracy thing, at least go through the effort to listen to Bill Cooper, who was actually killed by the FBI after half a lifetime of harassment from authorities (and I still can't be bothered to care what he had to say, either).

Alex Jones is so easi to debunk, even in for conspiracy theorists, when you look at his connection to the CIA, and how easily his shit travels to FOX news by way of asshats like Glenn Beck. I mean, come on, someone who's never heard of the FEMA Death Camps bullshit will go right on the internet after watching beck and get a shit-ton of hits for Alex Jones' bullshit. Alex Jones is just like all the other right-wing radio shows, except he isn't religious (but extemely homophobic) so he has that as a uniting factor for Americans who are scared the commies and queers are taking over the country.

By the way, I watched that whole movie when it first came out- it's fucking retarded. KRS-1 is a fucking musician, not a historian or otherwise qualified source. Plus he keeps putting in the meme of "Barack Hussain Obama". Christ.

Also- fuck Ron Paul.

Despanan 10-09-2009 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Zik (Post 570885)
<Insane Rambling>

I do hope you're trolling dude...because that last post would have been perfect for my thread.

Anyway, I figure I should link this essay by Bill Whittle, it's a little old but still a great look at the conspiracy theory mindset and how truly diseased it is: Linky

It's also very long, so if you don't feel like reading the whole thing (though it's worth it) here are some Highlights:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Whittle
Occam’s Razor is the idea that when confronted with competing theories that explain certain data equally well, the simplest one is usually correct. It’s called Occam’s Razor, and not Occam’s Hypothesis, or Occam’s Theorem, or Occam’s Bit of Useful Advice, because it is a razor – it cuts cleanly and with great efficiency. And though it pains me to say so, this culture is in desperate need of a shave.
IT’S A CONSPIRACY!
I want to forgo the niceties of the hot towel and go straight for the jugular on this one. My goal here is not to bust any of these four conspiracy theories; that has all been done much more effictively elsewhere. What I am trying to do here is to build a chain of evidence to show a progressively deteriorating epidemic of world-wide insanity, of truly diseased thinking -- not just a misunderstanding or difference of opinion but real, diagnosable mental illness.
I want to get to that disease in a minute -- and the cause of it too – but first let’s examine what some people claim to believe in and the mountains of sand one has to carry in order to bury one’s head so deep.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Whittle
...Think about that, and weep. Think that there are people out there right now – people two cars over in traffic, or ahead of you in the check-out counter – who believe that our government is spraying high-altitude poisons designed to kill us all. That men and women – thousands of men and women – go to work every day, refilling the tankers with deadly chemicals, or flying top-secret missions in broad daylight indiscriminately spraying death down on their drinking buddies, fellow church-goers, co-workers, cousins and wives and children.
What kind of person--.
Excuse me. I’m sorry. I don’t do this often but I just can’t continue this calmly:
WHAT THE LIVING HELL IS THE MATTER WITH THESE PEOPLE?!!
I think it’s high time – and way, waaaay past high time -- to start pushing back against these kinds of diseased philosophies and the fact that they are getting traction because no one seems willing to point and them and go: HA HA!

This one is particularly relevant:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Whittle
You know who I blame for this pathetic state of affairs? I blame Leonard Nimoy. I remember watching In Search Of… as a teen and always being just a little disappointed that there was so little – you know, proof -- in any one of those episodes. In Search of Atlantis, In Search of Ghosts, In Search of Ancient Astronauts, In Search of the Bermuda Triangle, In Search of UFO’s..., In Search of, in other words, every conceivable hoax and superstition on the face of the planet. And I watched it in spite of the lack of actual proof and I believed it all because it presented one thin string of opinion and falsehood cloaked as "evidence" and no one rebutted a word of it.
“We’re just asking questions” was the official, voice-over disclaimer. You hear that too from the 9/11 Truth crowd when confronted with the lunacy of their claims. We’re just asking questions…

Well, in that vein I’d like to ask some questions myself. Is Michael Moore a serial pedophile? I’m just asking, and I’m sure a lot of my readers would just like to have some questions answered. I heard that Rosie O’Donell ate a baby at a Satanic Ritual once – is that true? Can you please provide the evidence that this did not in fact happen? Thanks. Who has murdered more hookers: Bill Maher or Charlie Sheen? Come on, you can’t tell me there’s no smoke there. I just want a possible explanation…
So that’s what it has come to now. We deserve better.
God damn it, we do.

And finally:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Whittle
If it’s not the the government then it’s the corporations...always the bad guys. Always guilty. Always fat white men ready to kill anyone for money.
Have these dramatists ever – EVER? – run a business? Have they any clue at all how much effort goes into keeping the French Fry station at McDonald’s adequately staffed, to say nothing about pulling together a few thousand people in spectacular acts of mass murder? Do they have any idea that the honest human men and women who work for the government are anything more than plot points in their own bitter narratives? Is there no end to the evidence – as if more evidence was needed – that we are daily led to believe the worst about our government, our businesses and our country by self-centered psychotics who understand nothing but the absolute imperative to glorify themselves at the expense of everyone and everything they share this civilization with?
And people believe this. Look at Rosie’s audience.
How much poison can you put into your veins before you are too weak to walk? Too weak to breed? And how much more of this poison I.V. drip is needed until you die? How many of these cultural suicide pills are we going to swallow before we start to wake up to the fact that dramatists – not the government – are going to kill us all?
When you look at what these people ask you to believe, to justify that naked, awful emptiness in their own souls and the horrible damage their lies are doing to our civilization – well, it’s enough to make you want to take Occam’s Razor out of its golden box and slit their miserable throats with it.



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