Mass Shooting at Ft. Hood
 

This is hard to process. My dad was stationed there, and I've been there to visit. My heart goes out to these people and their families.

http://news.**********/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting

D: My friends relative was one of the men shot. My heart goes out to these guy's families.

Oh, fuck,. My sister and her husband were stationed there for quite a while. Dear God, I hope none of G's friends were in that. He's lost too many already =(

Which site hosted the story? stupid asteriks =p

Many prayers to the service members and their families!!!

It was Ya***. I was stationed for awhile up at Ft. Sam. I'm feeling the same way.

http://m.www.**********/ See if this works.

Sorry for the double-post. Tried to post the site, but it won't post. This was all I could get.

FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army psychiatrist set to be shipped overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army post Thursday, authorities said, a rampage that killed 12 people and left 31 wounded in the worst mass shooting ever at a military base in the United States.

The gunman, first said to have been killed, was wounded but alive in a hospital under military guard, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood. He was shot four times, and was on a ventilator and unconscious, according to military officials. "I would say his death is not imminent," Cone said.

The man was identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old from Virginia.

President Barack Obama called the shooting at the Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening, "a horrific outburst of violence." Some rushed to treat their injured colleagues by ripping their uniforms into makeshift bandages to treat their wounds.

"It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas," the commander in chief said. "It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil."

Hasan had transferred to Fort Hood in July from Walter Reed Medical Center, where he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said generals at Fort Hood told her that Hasan was about to deploy overseas. Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he had worked with Hasan, told Fox News he was being sent to Afghanistan.

Lee said Hasan had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan

wow.
Seriously, just wow.

We had a lot of Wisconsinites involved including one who got shot, a medical unit from up here was being processed at the time. One guy who was originally going to be there at the time had his appointment rescheduled to another day, lucky guy.

what a douche, what muslim in any mind joins the us army?? seriously? and with two hand guns nstead of a bomb? wtf

And the residual suffering from the Bush administration continues...

One who wants to serve his country...?

Yes.

Got to upgrade sometime, eh?

*blatantly ignores if what he quotes was a miserable try of a joke or not*

i suppose, but if hes gonna upgrade why not something with a little more umph? why not a couple of uzis or something other than that walker texas ranger bullshit?
we may find out scince he didnt die, just shot into a coma

My stepdad was there not too long ago, that got me by surprise. My heart goes out to those who died today.

Don't know if this will work or not, but this is the memorial service.


http://cosmos.bcst.**********/up/pla...26736&src=news

(If this does not post, it's on Yah**).

Over 200,000 innocent men, women, and children have died in Iraq due to this war. A few soldiers die at home and people start pouring their hearts out.

Those feelings people now feel are the same the people of Iraq have felt for almost a decade, thanks to America. Well, except you need to multiply the number of affected by 200,000.

Every time the US military kills innocent civilians, people in Iraq feel just as sad. It's ironic to see so many people feeling so bad for a group of people who were heading out to kill other peoples families.

Had those people been deployed, at least a few would have brought the same level of sadness to someone elses family in another country.

The value of life tends to hinge on whose family you care about for some. That in itself is sad.

Well, you know how the saying goes... The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.

No offense meant, and none taken I hope, but most of the people who died at Ft. Hood were medical personnel, and some were coming back from Iraq to join their families. One of the peole killed here was a civilian PA (Physician's Assistant). How does killing medical personnel help the Iraqis, pray tell? I was a Medic in the Army. Medics don't kill people. We put them back together. The same Medic who treated the police officer who took the gunman down, also treated the shooter. Why don't you chew on that for awhile. I get a little fed up with being accused of being a 'gun-toting killer' by people like you who are so busy spouting off your opinions, you don't even consider the fact that the Military is like any other organization, it's a business. It's not just all shooters. There are business people and medical personnel in it, as well. (I never shot anyone the entire time I was in the Army, but I put a lot of people back together again. Get your facts straight, then we'll talk turkey. Sorry for venting, but I work in a hospital now as a medical typist, and you'd be amazed at how many people do NOT believe we exist! That's because people think everyone who works in a hospital is either a doctor or a nurse, just like they think everyone who works for the Army is a shooter. Baloney. We have business people, cleaning people, cashiers, food service people, etc. who work at the hospital for which I work, and SO DOES THE MILITARY. It's like a small city. Some of the people who go overseas don't go there to kill people, Cpt. They go there to put things back together. They're doctors, nurses, carpenters, etc. They go to try and help. I will give you the 'benefit of the doubt' since you've never been in the military and obviously never been on a military post, but please stop lumping us all into the same basket! It gets old after awhile).

If you're part of an invading army, it doesn't matter what job yer tasked with, your still part of an invading army.

The 'I'm just a medic' or 'I'm just a carpenter' defence didn't work for all the members of the German army working at Auschwitz, it won't work here either.

1) The Americans are not part of an 'invading' army. They are part of a muiltinational peacekeeping force, which includes members of your own country.

2) The second allegation is also incorrect. The people who were tried in Nuremburg were the individuals who perpetuated crimes in Auschwitz, etc., not the people who tried to help.

3) Won't work for whom, people who know why they need a peacekeeping group in Iraq right now, or with you.

4) The 200,000 people you mentioned were not killed by us. They were killed in a war. People die in wars. There were many more people killed before the UN Peacekeeping groups got there and there will be people killed when we leave. Who do you diss then. The US, of course. We're a convenient target because we're trying to help. If we did nothing, we'd get the same treatment. (Ironically the same people who frequent Gnet, who dissed the people who watched a girl be gang-***** and did nothing, are the same people who diss people who step in to help).

5) Why don't you look at what the UN Peacekeeping troupes are trying to do FOR the people over there. Your logic does not wash, because it's 'skewed' to the negative.

6) What does a UN Peacekeeping force have to do with Auschwitz in the first place? Maybe if there had been one at the time, there wouldn't have been an
Auschwitz.

7) If you're so concerned about what is happening in Iraq, why don't you volunteer to go over and help. In short, put your money where your mouth is. It's easy to be an 'armchair' commentator on a war you are not involved in. Get off your brain and go help out if you're capable of doing so.

It did not work for the German army working at Auschwitz and other concentration camps.

However, the rest of the German army, which made the majority of the war, were released on that very basis.

So, to draw a modern analogy: While the Coalition forces in Guantanamo Bay might face a trial, the U.S. forces, in general, would not.

I'm sure I'll get yelled at for this, but . . .
Has anyone wondered at all why he did it? And, does him being Muslim really have anything to do with what he did? Has anyone read his history and what he did for the army?

You must remember they kept what went on in the camps secret except to those working in the camps, and the camps were run by the SS which was considered a separate, higher up organization compared to the regular German military. The majority of the German military and civilian population had no idea what was going on. The SS did an EXTREMELY good job of hiding what they were doing. They did such a good job that when one high ranking jewish man in one of the invaded countries tried to tell the world what was going on, no one believed him untill after millions were already dead because the rest of the world couldnt believe that such a large scale operation existed without leaving behind more evidence.

I do remember.

'Twas somewhat my point.

So America did not invade Iraq? Is that what your trying to say?

It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sure those who joined the SS thought they were helping better their country as well.

They wouldn't need any soldiers there if America had not invaded.

Really, your going to continue and argue that those people would have died if America did not invade? Thats pretty weak. If you really believe that, then your quite disillusioned.

Negative is thinking your way of life is better than someone elses in another country in another culture half a world away, and deciding to drop bombs on them until they decide to let you steal their natural resources.

I prefer not to kill innocent civilians so someone can afford to fill their SUV.

Oh man.
I used to live there.
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How sad for them.

My point is you cant be held responsible for somthing you have no control over, and no knowledge of.

All I wrote, is what the modern analogy would be. Even if it wasn't explicitly clear, I'm trying to imply that soldiers aren't generally held responsible for horrors like Auschwitz because they have little control over it.

Entering without permission is invasion. Plain and simple.

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Well, primarily because we took out the entire government that we instituted without first making sure people had a plan on how to continue after Sadam was removed?

That we started.

There are far bigger atrocities being committed that we don't so much as talk about on the news, much less go help out in. The WAR in Iraq is not an act of altruism.

We're trying to take three groups of people with a thousand year old violent feud to form one cohesive government. We've also help set up yet another corrupt government which replaced Sadam's government, which we put in power to begin with. Maybe we should STOP helping?



It wouldn't be a peace keeping force that would've prevented Auschwitz, it would have been an army. The high ranking Nazi officials said, "Had they shown military force to oppose us when we took the Rhineland, we would have stopped. "

... He's concerned about the US invading force. What you just said essentially is telling him to go join the Iraqi resistance and kill US soldiers.

You might want to phrase things more carefully.

To clarify, I'm not justifying what Sadam did or supporting him in any way. I'm a pacifist to the end, but if anybody deserved to be attacked, he would be one of them. I'm saying what we did was heavy handed and blundering, and done plainly without giving a damn about the Iraqi citizens.

Also Sternn, politics aside, bringing up political opinions when you're talking about a non-war related death is a bit insensitive. Any other thread is fine, but that was tactless.

Actually I'm suggesting that he consider volunteering his time or his money to some organization that would help these people out. Have you never heard of the Peace Corps? Granted it's an American-based organization, but surely they must have some kind of equivalent in his country.

As far as I know, the Peace Corps are not currently in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Peace Corps generally do not make a habit of occupying warzones until well after the war is over.

I didn't think you wanted him to kill US soldiers, but your phrasing was awful.

Sorry about the late reply. Haven't been on Gnet for awhile. You're right about the phrasing. That is why I try not to respond to something when my 'Irish hair catches fire.' I prefer to wait until I calm down a little bit, so I can think more rationally. I suppose I will also have to apologize to Cpt. Sternn at some point for 'reaming him out a whole new rear axle', although I still don't agree with him; however, I suppose we can agree to disagree, in an effort to be civil.

I agree with the fact he made valid points, but disagree on when he chose to mention them. It's a tragedy that all those people in Iraq have to die on either side, but it is likewise a tragedy that the people at Fort Hood had to die.