The Goth genre
 

Hello.
As you may or may not know, I am going through a period of research and learning about different music genres that I claim to know something about, but lately turned out may be failed information.
Therefore, I am probably gonna be making a few threads in here with some sincere questions that may seem dumb, but all I am doing is trying to understand.
As the title hints, this is about the Goth and Gothic Rock genres.
If at all possible, I would like an authentic source for some of your info, but I will take anything.

I read somewhere that Goth and Gothic Rock are two different genres with Goth as a very "Doom and Gloom depressing" sound and lyric quality offspring of Punk and post-punk while Gothic Rock is a more rocking and energetic. Does this hold truth?

Also, I have heard a lot of you in here and other places who seem to know a lot about the gothic genres and scenes say that it has nothing at all to do with the dressing or looks at all. But how can that be true when the old goth and gothic rock bands did tend to dress up for the effect? Is it not partly true that the looks played a big role in the original gothic scene?

Yet another question would be, are all Goth and Goth Rock bands from the 70's and that era, or are there actually any real Goth or Goth Rock bands today?(not counting the still active bands from back then)

Also, are there any Goth or Gothic Rock bands through the misunderstood history of said genres that used growling vocals?

This is all I have for now. I thank you for eventual answers and help.

Man, we're not google, and I doubt anyone really cares about this sort of thing anyway. I listen to music I like, full bloody stop. I suggest you do the same...

I did actually get this info from Google, I just wanted to run it past the pros on here.
I too listen to music I like and leave music I do not like alone, but the history of music genres interrest me.

The specifics of the goth genre aren't exactly a secret, you'll learn as much anywhere else as you will here.

I suppose that's right.

Stop making these fucking threads.

Good work !
Very cool, looking great so far. Keep going, I wanna see it finished!
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Go to a fucking bookstore, buy a copy of Moby-Dick, and read it. Don't even think for a second about 'researching the goth genre' until you're finished. In fact, don't eat anything or get off the exercise bike until you're finished, you fat piece of shit.

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Ok, I can't answer the last two, but I might as well give the first two a shot. It would be better for people to stay out of threads they don't like, instead of going in with nothing useful to add. If a thread is stupid/'stupid', leave it alone.

Alright. As far as I'm aware, "Goth" is an abbreviation of the term "Gothic rock". This covers quite a lot, from the classic 'doom and gloom' post-punk, known at the time as "positive punk" due to its relative lack of aggression, through styles such as deathrock (classic gothic rock/punk) and gothabilly (rockabilly music with a dark sound and lyrics with morbid themes). I've not been aware of a difference between those terms, Goth and Gothic rock.

As to the fashion, as with punk the music (and often the ideals) are the heart of the culture, for instance advocating freedom of expression and so forth. However, anybody who claims there is no fashion involved is very wrong. The fashion is important as artistic expression, and expression of tastes and beliefs and a way to show others who you are. It shouldn't be used to try to be cool/popular and it definitely shouldn't just be copied.. make it your own. Wear whatever you like, but Gothic clothes tend to be black and such. For some reason. It fits, I suppose.

You think your deft paraphrase of Goth Subculture's wikipedia article is more useful to Anarasha than the suggestion that he stop making these fucking threads? You're the one indulging his piteous display of excessive enthusiasm for 'researching' musical genres, which he only puts forth because he believes it will secure him the social validation he desperately craves from gothic fucking dot net. We're encouraging him to stop being a sniveling imbecile and do something worthwhile with his time.

He's a good guy, just misplacing all of his priorities.

Anarasha, IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME, genres are for people that run HMV.

The fact that I actually had to type ThouShaltNot lyrics in response to this means you should to give up the ghost with the quickness.

You have misunderstood my desire to learn about music genres. I don't fucking care whether or not people in here like me or not, if I did, I would have left a long time ago. I am well aware that a lot of people in here including you hate me.
But did you ever stop to think that maybe I am researching music genres for me, not for you? I value information and I am interrested in music genres, and I had the failed impression that people in here knew something about these different genres through a longer time as a music fan than I do, and therefore I believed that these people could help me in my studies, but I see that this is in fact not the case.
You are no more informed than I can be by reading the sources by typing in Google.

Edited in: But yes, all of you, I will be the first to admit, I am not tall or thin, neither am I really popular. Yes, I am lonely and therefore spend my time researching useless information to keep myself busy. But I am clear about it, and I can live with it. YOU are the ones with the need to point it out, therefore saying more about yourselves and your appearent need to make assumptions about my motives.
I may be a loser with my priorities on useless and non-constructive things, but how about you?
Think on that.

If you were more belligerent, you'd remind me of me when I was younger.

I will take that as a good thing Duckie.

It never ceases to amuse me how people in here believe that the world centers around them and this board at all times, yet they accuse me of being the only one in here who has that view when in truth that is not so.
Appearently, both gothicus and Malice In Wonderland believes that I will in fact crawl into a dark corner and cry at their oh so horrible burns based on a misunderstanding of my interrests. They need to learn that the world does not in fact revolve around them, nor does it revolve around this board.
Let me inform you here:
The world's course is around the sun. This board is not the sun. Deal with it.

I doubt they want or expect you to go cry under the stairs. I see it as more an attempt at getting you to go out and make something of yrself, rather than trying to understand something as pointless as musical genres or whatever. Go read a book, make a movie, become snot flicking champ of Denmark or something.


Just please, for the love of God, stop making threads like this.

Also, GM is cranky.

I suppose that holds some truth.
As stated earlier though, music genres interrest me, and I really do have nothing better to do.
Aye, agreed. I have never seen GM post anything OTHER than flames. Nor have I ever seen him make a thread of his own.

He posts some funny shit. I have to give him that.

Dude, there's ALWAYS something to do. You just gotta DO IT.

Aye, he does. I enjoy his long wordy rants.
And yes, I suppose so.. I am playing the guitar actually.

I haven't been to Goth's wikipedia article... I don't know where you've dragged that one from. I wrote from accumulated general knowledge.

I've only seen two threads by Anarasha, myself. I don't think he thinks it will give him social validation - it'd be (more than) incredibly naïve to think that. For that, I see no reason why i shouldn't tell what I know - perhaps if I tell him, he won't ask again.

Also, if nobody ever replies to these threads then that should be more of a discouragement than flaming them.

I always find your responses to threads like these highly amusing.

You're wrong.
So wrong.

On second thoughts, you might be correct there... but not through fault of my reasoning, rather that I tend to overestimate people.

Shoot yourself in the face, It will ultimately raise your quality of life.

I could...

But if I shot you in the face instead, I'd improve the quality of both my own life and yours, and then some.

I was talking to Anarasha. Shooting me in the face is only to get you killed by hordes of my pissed off followers.

In that case, I humbly retract that... it seemed you were talking to me. As you weren't, I'll step off. Sorry

*grin* As you should.

so your getting angry at him for making threads which is one of the main aspultions of message boards and then teasing him for being fat which JCC (who still owes me money or food stamps i irrefutably add) exhausted on that fatass vinyardxjizz, or some shit?...even if the joy from calling her fat is almost as good as gettin' some

Knowing names of genres doesn't make you clever. Try actually listening to music. That's what it's there for.

i find it sad that the pursuit of knowledge has become valid grounds for "flaming" or other such nonsense. if someone asks a question because they genuinely want to know the answer, either post an answer or hypothesis, or don't bother posting at all. i'm sure this forum was not made for the purpose of picking on people for being out of shape after they simply asked a question. stop being arrogant bastards and go get on with your lives.

You're on the wrong website.

That may be true Sybl, but when i have something i find to be worth saying i say it.

Except what you said wasn't really worth saying. People here aren't going to experience wild epiphanies because of your measly post.

Stop pretending to have a spine and quit being a self righteous prick. Go get on with your life, moron.

well pardon me for trying to assist someone.

Seriously, it's not like you're trying to help him. He could have readily found the info he was looking for, in less than 20 keystrokes and less than 5 mouseklicks.

and just think, you could have gone to school and learned how to spell "clicks".

Just as you could have learned to capitalise.

Jack, you and all the other people who flamed this thread seemed to have misunderstood my actual intentions.
I went out and DID find the info myself. I went out and DID read on it.
My sole intention was running it past people I believe could have helped me verify this new knowlEdge(I managed to do it right, yay) I managed to pick up.
I did not intend to drain you of knowledge(again, yay) without doing any work myself.
I went out, I did the work, I presented it and asked for some guidence and eventual corrections. However, how this triggered a series of flamings against my weight and height issues instead of the actual issues are beyond my understanding. I believed most of the people who decided to flame my physical appearance to be intelligent, but as it turns out, they managed to prove me wrong on that as well.

every forum i have been on has had at least SOME people that apparently take pride in their "mad flaming skills", but of all of them, the award goes to the wonderful people of this forum, because, even on such a simple subject, EVERY POST has been for the purpose of flaming. and when one person tries to actually stay on topic, they get flamed. congratulations guys, you really are the best flamers.
and btw Sibyl, capitalization is not as important as spelling, and notice how i capitalize your name, even when you have done nothing to earn my respect.

We could dowse our flamethrowers if the OP actually took his time using the search function of this forum and perused the myriad of threads, just like this one, created by other *sarcasm on* similarly less worthy mortals who don't know the musical difference between Evanescence and SpongeBob Squarepants. *sarcasm off*

I don't really know what to say.
I'm pretty sure this board's sick of facepalming.

I never said anything about your physique, as I really can't give a shit. All I want is you to stop creating retarded threads like this. I mean, it's like duckies parody threads, save for the fact that they're about as funny as piles and get worse with every shot. This must be the third thread with a thread title, and content that's almost identical to the last...

Well, no, you never mentioned my physique, and I thank you for that.
However, I really do not believe these threads to be retarded at all because the stuff which I am trying to learn something about really matters to me.
Because something doesn't matter to you or seems dumb to you does not in fact make it retarded. In such case, George W. Bush would be retarded... oh wait..
But my point is, that the lot of you may very well dislike my threads, and I will do you all the favour of not creating them, but I just want to make clear that my motives were never to make "stupid Duckman duplicate threads" or directly to annoy anyone. If I in fact managed to really provoke you all, I apolagize.

Today, in the People's Republic of Benin, West Africa, another Goethe was born. Unfortunately, she emerged from her mother's womb with visible teeth, and was therefore judged by her parents to be a witch-baby, bound to bring unspeakable catastrophe upon her family. She was abandoned, to die of starvation and exposure. If she'd been to born your mom and dad, Anarasha, she would be studying Latin, Greek, and French. She'd be pursuing training in dance, riding, fencing, poetry and drawing. She'd already be developing her 'Faust'. Instead, here's you-- 'researching musical genres' by spamming goth message boards. Sincerely, I apologize if I was wrong in perceiving this post to be an attempt at impressing somebody. It was honestly a generous assessment, as craving social validation from gothic.net is substantially less pathetic than asking this forum about growling vocals while Goethe's stomach eats itself.
If you think I want you to somehow squeeze your body under the stairs and sob, you couldn't be more fucking wrong. Your undertaking that course of action would only infuriate me further. If you're curious, what I wish you would do, although I understand this wish to be a vain pipe-dream, is be moved by my quantification of just how much air you're wasting and buy a copy of Moby-Dick, empowering yourself to have a real intelligent conversation. I wish you would feel compelled to educate yourself about something of value and thereby develop the ability to really contribute to society. What is this "I have nothing better to do" bullshit? Yes, you fucking do.
By the by, I've made a bunch of threads, and just the other day I posted an exceedingly nice comment endorsing House of Leaves as a high-quality novel.

Ah...Africa, Good times...good times.