Black Goths...Never seen one
 

Ok it's really rare to find a Black goth girl or boy. I've read some stories and about them and how non black goths are racist towards them. I would just like some opinons on how you would approach one. And how would there own race see them. *this is not a racist thread*

Racist. Trolltroll

Like anyone else! For fucks sake it's someone with darker skin than yours, not a wild animal :cool:

I did not mean it as an in bad way, and they r not animals. Some of them do get rejected for being a black goth or they get jumped.

Oh, I hope that this doesn't become another never-ending catastrophe like the infamous "Black people make terrible vampires" thread... What have you done, Onyx? What have you done...

I'm sorry I was just wondering about it. It's that I am fed up about the racist comments ppl make about goths.
I read that thread it was like mayhem.

looks wise I agree... it just doesn't look good.

Yeah I agree

Then why are you using "rare" and wondering about how to approach one? *points to Poly Styrene icon* Drive through, please.

That dude was trolling and half of the folks coming in to the tail end of it had less reading comprehension than a brain-dead wombat.

Its a thread, you post your thoughts, opinons, or questions. Get a dictionary and stop being rude.

That's my initial thought. Also the OP is probably fairly new to the goth scene.

if you call three years "fairly new " then fine, Thank you for understanding!

I find it hard to believe someone in the scene 3 years who lives in....NYC, is it(?) and never seen a black Goth hard to believe.

I live in Texas and I saw lots of them the first couple times I ever went clubbing.

And yes, 3 years is still 'new'.

Hey when you live in NYC its hard to find a black goth because its so urban here in most parts, so mostly the main style here is baggy pants and nikes.

How are you telling people to get a dictionary when you've got misspellings in every other word of your sentences?

For real, this post was not the best idea.

Dude, you're fourteen. You're saying you've been involved with the scene, clubbing and everything, since you were 11?

Except for the clubbing I'm under age for that. But Ive been to concerts and gatherings

so you can't go to clubs or shows that are held at bars, thats leaves out a huge proportion of almost any scene, unless its something lame like live action RPG. Lots of people go out of their way to avoid all age shows, or hanging out with 11 year olds.

I think your bit lost. Did you lose your way from your small mined box? Well you did!
And if you don't know the law says a minor with out an adult or and ID can not go to clubs! And I'm not eleven you brainless bimbo!

Lots of shows have age restrictions, and you're saying you've been involved with the scene since age 11. Now, no offense to the other underage goths here but if there's no clique in your high school, you're not going to meet many like minded people until you're an adult and everyone's comfortable enough in their own skin. And a lot of cliques in high school are just woe-is-me-Amy-Lee-is-goth-right? types.

Seriously, the goth scene here is pretty much also the BDSM scene, and while we do sometimes smuggle in older kids to 19+ shows no one wants to hang out with little kids. Which would an adult be more likely to do? Go to a "goth gathering" where little kids are going to be playing magic cards or an actual show?

So, Ms. Expert, how can you say with authority on a board where most of us are older than you that there are people of colour in the goth scene are rare and don't look good?

God no one can have a damn opinon around here!
And I have been around other goths that are a tad bit older. And were I live there are no cliques everyone are just friends and that's it.
And Amy Lee is just a dipshit of a singer that can sing .
It's my opinion and I personally think they don't look good, and this thread was not meant to be racist.
And you have a very big problem with younger goths.

yeah, saying black goths don't look good is racist, asking how you should approach them is mind numblingly ignorant at best. You can have your own opinion, but if it isn't a valid one of course people are going to call you on it.

And you have a very big problem with black people :P

Did I do some thing wrong to you? Or did I state my opinon the wrong way?
Because personally I don't like to argue much?

You came to a board full of people who are older than you, and believe it or not some people on this board are people of colour, and you told everyone that you wouldn't know how to approach a black person, the look isn't good to you even though you've apparently never actually seen a black goth, and that as a kid you are quite the authority on the scene that goes on in NYC.

Its not how you state your opinion, because I don't know how you can say all this in such a way that it isn't dumb.

Well I am sorry if you want I'll delete the damn thread....I've been trying to find the edit button

And I am a person of color...I'm not black

Man am I sick of seeing this. Complain, complain, complain about how ignorant people are, then insult and harass them rather than making any attempt to educate them. For those of you who can’t be bothered to address the topic of this thread, why would you even post anything? In case it has escaped you r attention you are, in essence, trolling this thread. Who needs outsiders when we have you guys on the job?

*rubs bridge of nose*

Anyway, I’m not posting this to just to start a dust-up; I just thought I would add my two cents to the topic since I happen to actually BE an African American Goth, and I happen to have a couple of decades in the culture under my belt. What follows is my particular point of view; take it or leave it.

This is true, but only to a point. You will notice that there are many people who look and sound like Goths, but either refuse to self-identity themselves as such, or never conclude that their opinions and interests fall under the definition. This is true not only of the general population, but of African American as well. There are numerous instances in popular culture, from music to fashion, in which a Gothic aesthetic can be seen in what is typically pigeonholed as “Black culture”.

They’re out there, just not where you would typically expect to find them or wearing what you would typically expect them to wear. I should know; no matter what I wear, most non-Goths think "thug" or "musician" or "cop" long before "Goth" occurs to them (if ever).


I happen to have lived in Minneapolis most of my life. For those of you not up on your demographics, Minneapolis and its sister city St. Paul comprise the second Whitest urban area in the country, right behind Salt Lake City. I have yet to experience outright racism in the Gothic culture here. Generally, the Goths here all feel as though they are unacceptable in the eyes of society at large, whether because of how they look or what they think. In this atmosphere, dark skin is simply one more difference. As a result of this attitude, the Goths I've come into contact with have not treated me noticeable different from how I've seen them treat anyone else.


No one appreciates having others focus on their physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else. Would you need to approach a girl with big boobs differently? How about a really tall person or an overweight person? As they say, we’re all the same color on the inside. Concern yourself with the person inside; who they are and what they’re about. The rest is no big deal unless something relevant occurs. In those cases, just be honest. It's only the ignorant who will take offense and refuse to tolerate simple, inoffensive questions.

[quote]And how would there own race see them.[/QUOTE
No one believes “White people” are a singular group; everyone recognizes the various cultures and ethnicities that comprise this group (Italians vs. Irish, country vs. hipster, etc.). My question is: why assume African Americans all think the same or are into the same things? There are numerous subgroups within this ethnicity. Thinking in terms of “their own race” ignores the similarly wide variations within what people typically refer to as “Black culture”.

Don't get me wrong; there are indeed “ultra-culturalists” who denigrate anyone and anything they believe isn’t “Black” enough, just as there are those in society who harbor a hatred for anything “non-White”. The number of people whose minds are THAT narrow is relatively small among both groups


Unlike a few too many others you might find on this board, I can (usually) tell the difference between ignorance and malice. I applaud you for being willing to stand up and make an attempt to educate yourself about what you see as a valid issue.


- Heretic

Very well said, Heretic.

Thank you, I really didn't mean for that to sound racist in any form, and not to offend people. I just thought it was a intresting topic thats all.

Gnet has black goth members:

BlackButterfly:
https://www.gothic.net/boards/member.php?u=4405

BLEED REBELION!!!:
https://www.gothic.net/boards/member.php?u=9536

Mrs. Wes Straker:
https://www.gothic.net/boards/member.php?u=10839

and others. Maybe I will do a Goth video of just them, I have the photos they uploaded. They are already in my videos:

Mrs. Wes Straker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmSylWYBCM
(4:01 into the video)
Black Butterfly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyU3qkscHD0
(2:07 into the video)
BLEED:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E1PM6ZulGc
(2:24 into the video, wearing blue face makeup)

Heretic, you are far too nice to people who don't deserve it.

"Looks wise"? Could you elaborate of what you mean by that? I'm having a hard time picturing what a White Goth might wear that a Goth with darker skin couldn't (besides white theatrical make-up, of course :D).


- Heretic

Here is a video from BlackButterfly to Gnet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_aPr...eature=related

At my highschool there was only one black goth and I sort of had crush on her, god now that i think about it she seemed to be interested in me aswell the only brown in school with tripp pants ...

damnit man WHY did i choose the mexican/cholo clique over the goths.

"This post was brought to you by... my sad repressed thoughts."

You may be mistaking etiquette and civility for undeserved niceties. Trust me; though I am typically pleasant enough to people, I am not the nicest person you're going to meet.


- Heretic

I went away for a good while. I picked this as the 1st thread to visit on my return & the immediate reaction to the sniping is: :eek:

Anyhoo, there are a lot of gothic subgenres I don't see around here, or even black goths. Damn shame IMHO. Its the just the generic type around these parts (& as cliquish as I remember high school being).
Regardless if I saw a black goth I'd probably smile in relief, & say hello if the opportunity presented itself.

Man, this sentence ain't easy on the eyes.

Where do you live? Upstate?

Because if you lived in the city, you would meet many black goths.

Man, I take a week off to go on vacation, and this is what happens. In fact, the general idiocy level of new posts here ratcheted up a bit overall.

The OP doesn't look racist, but it was a dumb thing to say.

And it does look like this thread could become another troll magnet like the "Blacks Make Terrible Vampires" thread which keeps getting resurrected by new ogres from time to time. Meh.

You I know I stated it wrong.

The Amy lee thing that I said I missed out the can't in can sorry.

Onxybat there is a lot here so pay attention

Fuck you Amy Lee is awesome

As a goth trying to get more persons of African decent into the scene (if such a thing is possible) fuck you for thinking it doesnt look good. Black women look the best with black lipstick on.

as a man of eastern European decent who was born in America against my will and who has a taste for sexual dark chocolate fuck you again for being a racist. I have met and maintain friends with several black goths (redundant much?) and they continually look awesome and surpass the whitest white face ghostly chick (also very attractive) in grace confidence and total attractive score.

If you're trying to approach a black goth focus more on the goth and not on the black

Screw you to
I know they look awsome and that black lip stick looks better on them.
AND LEARN HOW TO READ
I AM NOT A RACIST !
AND AMY LEE SUX

A matter of some dispute, as is the quality of all music. For me, Amy Lee is only "meh" without collaborating with Ben Moody. We know she can sing. The question now is: is she an artist in her own right?

I'm still waiting for clarification on that particular opinion myself, from more than one poster to this thread. Besides, as most anyone will tell you, the so-called "Goth" look is more about HOW you wear what you choose to wear, rather than how closely you adhere to some stereotypical uniform.

OnyxBat admitted their ignorance and was asking for honest opinions on the topic of this thread. Seen in that light, is there really any point to insulting them?

To expand on something I mentioned earlier, there is a difference between being ignorant of ethnic issues and maintaining an illusion of racial superiority, supported by maliciously biased behavior. You would do well learning to tell the difference; it might make addressing issues such as this easier.

Your sensitivity to this issue is understandable, considering the fact that you have African American friends who are a part of the Gothic community. It is commendable that you feel the need to directly confront what you obviously perceived as racist behavior in this thread. However, overreacting to questions as simple as this does not contribute to open and honest discussion. For every genuinely curious person you "put in their place", a dozen others will see that reaction and say, "Well, shit. What's the point of even expressing my opinion on THAT if I'm just going to get my ass handed to me?"

Take it from one who is intimately aware of this exact issue and how difficult it is to get people to honestly express their opinions on the subject.

My wife was in Savannah, GA earlier this year, loved the place, and seems intent on dragging me down there (the haunted tours are what really did it). If she succeeds, I might need to pick your brain to see if you can recommend places where an African American Goth from the Midwest might feel welcome.

Just what I said, only with less hot air. ;)


- Heretic

How can one not appreciate this song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di8zQcabGBc
(No, it is not My Immortal.)

OK, so Amy Lee is not in the same League as Siouxsie or Lisa Gerard, but she is easily in the same league as Clan of Xymox, Lacuna Coil or Within Temptation.
Come on, she has talent.

Never worry, little one, we're all black on the inside. ;)

This thread is officially about Amy Lee now.

Anyone who needs that much alteration on her voice isn't good. In EVERY song, including "My Immortal," there's an incredible amount of voice effects. Besides that, she sings the same four notes over and over again.

Ok she has a talent but she has a temper to. She was dating the lead singer from seether and then when they broke up she wrote the song call me when you sober and I think it's unfair to share her ex's and hers problem to the world.

You're kidding, right? Half of all music is comprised of love songs, split 50-50 between the joy of love discovered and the bitterness of love lost. Take away rants and screeds against ex-lovers, and most of the music on the radio would disappear.


- Heretic

True but she made it to direct towards her ex's.

About the Topic: I don't honestly know if I've encountered any black Goths, but it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, it's rare that I come across another Goth period [or, at least an obvious one], since I don't go to clubs much.

About Amy Lee: Save on very rare occasions, I could care less as to the exact reasons why musical artists sing particular songs.

A lot of her songs make me cry, since they hit me square on my most vulnerable personal spots. Call Me When You're Sober is one of those, because she's singing about something that anyone who has had to deal with an alcoholic in their personal life can relate to.