To The Former Members Of Gothic.net
 

The name is Corey, (Sanctus) boyfriend. I am posting this once and when I finish I will have no further correspondence with any of you, and I will do all there is in my power to prevent Sanctus from it as well. I've seen the demeanor of my girl spiral from the good natured well intentioned soul she is into a betrayed tortured mess, the situation has come to the point where if I didn’t step in, I would think myself an insensitive prick. I would like to start this out rashly, but in interest of maturity (for the moment) I will remain calm and purely factual.

This will be as straight forward as it gets thus negating Sanctus's retarded latched emotions to undeserved recipients. I don't know or care about a single one of you, so excuse me if I'm intentionally blunt.

A. Sanctus has never had past or present dealings (speaking, emailing, private messaging or otherwise) with any head member of this particular forum. I base this fact on visual verification of damn near every online venture the girl travels. Due to past negative experiences, I keep more then an eye any connections she makes via web and with the current influx of animosity, I collected immediate evidence of her contacts collection and have been monitoring her mailing patterns. My evidence, (although I may catch hell for this) her complete contact list:

http://pixpipeline.com/d/
http://pixpipeline.com/d/
http://pixpipeline.com/d/
http://pixpipeline.com/d/

First, you tell me EPS, what are we looking for? You know how to reach the administrator... anyone ever stop to consider Sanctus might not? Second, as has been stated randomly across the forum, private messaging has been disabled. Difficult to private message an administrator with out private messaging isn't it? So, I challenge you EPS, produce a solid tangible sliver of evidence, a screen shot direct mailing perhaps?? Or will you continue to base your entire case on a single e-mailed word of some ill-behaved vindictive tart?

B. The idea Sanctus has aspirations to become a moderator within the Gothic.net community.

Okay, what* Gothic.net community? The girl has spent far too much time boring the shit out of me with the inner workings of the downfall of this ill-conceived forum, not to mention her excitement for the day "Things would be brand new" so to speak. So I pose to you a question. Between a 70 hour work week, school, her personal and professional artistic endeavors, the forum she runs alone, personal time with myself and general house maintenance where is it you've chosen to fit in moderating a dying forum? Especially at the cost of someone, many someone’s, she considered family??

Yes, this also makes perfect sense right? Oh but wait, it only gets better, the entire basis of this portion of the argument is based on one post made by a relatively brand new member of this forum? So, apparently Sanctus both requested an entertained the post? Yeah. Explain to me how that works. She could have been an admin, or just a mod. Hmm, the struggle of difficult choices. Morons.

C. Sanctus hasn't posted as frequently else where as she should... and made an intro thread when she shouldn't off.

Well, that's about as fucking ridiculous an issue as I've ever heard. Who are you, hell any of you for that matter to suggest you have the operational end of the strings that make Sanctus dance? She never has played the game of "follow the leader" she creates her own path, (this I love about her) but as I understand it, which was information privy to EPS she has failed to set on the table. Sanctus left it well it the open that she remained to field the influx of new salvageable users, hence the screen of the intro thread.

(Sarcasm)Yeah, screening the introduction thread is the worst way to discover and weed out perfect "else where" prospects.

As for her recreated introduction thread, it was a request. But apparently indulging the will of another user to further build moral and trust so when the move was made she could provide the result of an instant influx of great contributors was a no, no?? You really should better inform your drones how to behave under the queen, EPS. Apparently well intentioned actions are a wrong.

In addition, her drops in attention to other responsibilities are for the following valid reasons:
From day one of her un-requested but appreciated administrative appointment she was met with a backlash of resentment.
Examples: Wolfmoon, who essentially dropped to the ground kicking feet like a five year old over word censoring? "Fucking A" lady, grow up. You’ve a position in an online bulletin board, not the American government.
Ben Langer, who emotionally insulted Sanctus over the right to ban members as a moderator, how necessary was that? As I understand it you're almost 40?? Good to know what kind of adolescent offensive behavior I can look forward to when I reach your age.

(The above also suggests to me an underlying jealous animosity over ‘? a web site appointment?’ Do so many of you require validation through favoritism?? I smell the sweet scent of possible motive and back stabbing possibilities… but who am I to suggest such a thing?)

Last, EPS herself. She had explained to Sanctus in the preliminary onset of this situation that she had dibs on the graphic work, which Sanctus took rather seriously. As documented over a months worth of time (and to be fair she requested another member or two to aide in the overall theme) she waited for some art fag to send her a promised piece to work with. Had she received it? Not to this day. Well, Sanctus took matters into her own hands and spent hours looking for and processing the perfect works for a useable banner to present and the second she logs in to share, her only assigned contribution has been passed on to another and the results accepted. (Which I’ve seen, and have little to say for collective taste..)

Even then, after all this disappointment, she still joked about the hole Gothic.net was digging and the amazement she had for the growth of the other. But as far as feeling welcome, not so much. There has been an influx of new blood, which to Sanctus was foreign and to the rest, a chance to catch up. How exactly does she add to a conversation she knows nothing about?

So instead she continued to scout and play with design issues, but yes, indulge your mutiny lined wet dreams, it was all in effort to attain a god status over the 10 people who remain at Gothic. Amazing deduction folks. (By the way, ever notice how it's a bit difficult to watch an entire forum if you haven't bothered to visit over half of its components?) Yeah, but you all keep running strong with that theory.

contin.

Last, the reaction over the banning of EPS herself.

Funny, seems to me aside from Angel011, Sanctus was the only one TO react.

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showth...page=230&pp=50

Not a word from TheKorovaMilkbar or Ben Langher, but neither of them is implemented? Seems to me both of them are still on the "not banned" list? And yet the first conclusion falls on the only one of the three with an assumed closer bond with EPS. Wow.
In her defense (and I'm drawing away from fact here) I've known the girl for 8 years, I know how she works. It's how I would work, EPS has a better stronger endeavor before her, and the loss of this hell should be a weight from her shoulders. Why should Sanctus or anyone be expected to express intense upset over EPS’s improved situation and lightened load? I suppose that comes right down to that whole mind reading trick the both Sanctus and I have yet to master. So I apologize for her deficiency in that arena. Yeah.


Don't worry, I'm almost done. Let's cover the final issue, how did those wiley uninformed administrators find out about EPS’s dirty little secret?? I have a few guesses... how many times have the old Gothic.net members traveled directly from one site to the next in the same browser? Or perhaps placed links on pages to sites they shouldn't? I think we all know it's happened, right....Geisha. How about all the E-mailed attendance requests that have apparently been made by EPS herself?? Is every last one of those people accounted for in attendance?? I doubt it. But yes it's naturally acceptable to believe, with all the options available that my little girl underhandedly betrayed the only true female friend and family she had over a moderator position in a lackluster board she could give a shit about.

EPS, I would normally shy away from any demeaning vernacular of the female variety as my mother has taught her son some strong handed manners but for all the pain you've caused the girl, lack of returned phone calls (two if you‘d like a count ‘SOBEH‘… fucking dick), lack of returned e-mails and the crime of with holding pertinent information forcing her to find other means of education; I personally would liken you to the truest definition of 'ill-scorned cunt'. (I’ve also some stronger theories about the nature of the EPS beast but for Sanctus’s sake I’ll stand down) As for the rest of you, I've never seen such a suggestible intelligent group of 'adults' react like maladjusted children stomping feet over spilt milk. I've been wary of her involvement in not only forums but this ridiculous gothic culture since day one, and I would like to thank you all for reaffirming my suspicions that the lot of you are socially dramatic angst ridden sows with upturned snouts. Your loyalties fall as short as your accusations and that said, I'll have nothing to do with the majority of you. EPS, lead your band of brain-dead drones’ lady, enjoy it and be well and though grateful for your appearance in her life Sanctus was fine without you before this, she will be spectacular without you now. But to be fair, I know she forgives you...apology or not, she owes you that much. But me, I will hate every last one of you for what you've done until I see some semblance of the intelligence you're so fond of claiming you possess.

I hope you're fucking ashamed, but egomaniacal behavior doesn't lend well to random bouts of modesty and my hopes for you all fall short.

-Corey.

Wow, i'm at a loss for words right now. just don't know what to say.
except for sorry for the hurt that was caused even if I myself have not contributed to it. I do not spend my free time trying out how politics work on a online forum.

It was simply out of sheer morbid curiousity that I came back as a guest to see what has taken place, and what should I find? A user that has missplaced his anger and hate in a way that is so foul it makes me cringe.

In case you haven't been reading OL (and the use of first names is strictly PROHIBITED, a very dangerous thing to do in this situation), have you heard hide nor hair of *a certain person* on this forum? No. It was the reaction of Wolfmoon and Geisha that you read. They reacted of their own accord AGAINST *a certain person*'s wishes. And yet here you are, judge and jury for this person, pointing fingers like you've known her your whole life. You are not a factor here, as you do not fully understand what has taken place in AND OUT OF this forum. In case you weren't aware this has been a major topic of discussion privately. This means you don't know the HALF of the story, so your hateful remarks are absolutely unnecessary and hurtful of the situation. You're causing us to take a step backwards, and I won't step back into that dark shroud.

I will most certainly not let you simply dismiss the fact that we are working to a means on this issue right now. If you must know, contact has been established with Sanctus in regards to all of this and we have taken a step towards retribution.

But no, here you are pulling us back into anarchy, over something and someone you don't know.

I should expect that no good has come of your post, and your efforts only foreshadow more turmoil between these two people, whom I care about. If you want a private conversation with me, so you may hear the TRUTH, then you can contact me later. I will tell you how to reach me if you wish.

No more. I don't want to hear anything from anyone here. This is a private matter and it's being dealt with.

Hi Corey.
I've been on holiday the last two weeks and know nothing about what's happened here, other than what I've read today. Sanctus/Nicole has certainly been one of the most entertaining members on gnet and, as you say, obviously indepently minded. Although we did not post directly to each other all that often on the boards, she is/was certainly someone who I consider a gnet friend. When I discovered what had "happened", (I've really no idea), I followed her link to her homepage and joined her art website. (I look forward to meeting you both there). I think you'll find at least one other gnet member has previously done the same. I for one would very much like her to continue on gnet, but of course that is for her/the two of you to decide. My best wishes to you both.

I'm not sure who (that) is, I'm guessing she's EPS.

I knew it was impossible for Sanctus to do something so heinous as to betray someone she held so close for something as low as a position on a failing site with no hope of ever coming back to any where near it's former glory.
Thank you, OL, thank you so much. If you are who you say you are Sanctus is one lucky girl.

Sanctus I'm sorry I never protested what they were claiming. My English teacher this year instructed my class in writing a letter called an affirmation I thought an example would be a good idea.

Sanctus,
I greatly admire your willingness to try to improve the site and hold off the bots and the trolls, like the thread about not responding to bots and the infinite flaming of infinite trolls. I respect your perseverance in working such long hours and still coming to talk to us afterwords. I love your dry, sometimes crude, humor and your ability to laugh at yourself. Most people lose it or don't have it after too many sleepless nights or feuds but you still have it, please keep it. I adore you personality in your writing that is such a cool skill to have. I admire your iron will to keep fighting even when everything you have falls through and you're just betrayed. Thank you you have added to my list of things to realize, become and search for in my life ahead of me.
Love ya Sancty please don't let one bad experience forget the rest of the good ones, I do that too often to not warn someone else.
Live long and prosper,
Eccentric

On this note I'm leaving, if anyone wants to contact me go ahead and email. I may visit I don't know. Bye bye peoples may hatred and betrayal not consume you.

So here we go again....

You know I find this ridiculous. If you OL understood what is was like to behave like an ill mannered child you would realize that is exactley what you are doing right now.

EPS did NOT ask neither Geisha or Wolfmoon to make the posts against Sanctus. They did act of their own accord. But now what is done is done. And EPS wanted this to be kept quiet. Everyone was prepared to let this go and keep it what it should be...A PRIVATE MATTER. But here you go trying to be some fucking knight in shining armour trying to save poor dear Sanctus and stir shit up again. How idiotic can you be?

How bout trying to understand the full fucking story before you post stupid shit? It's a two way street and their are two sides to the story. Not that you will listen to that, you are too blinded on what you think is right. Your post reeks of self righteous indignation and quite frankly it stinks.

You do not know EPS you only know what Sanctus tells you. So don't ever dare call her such a name. And further more don't ever post someones real name. That was the most idiotic thing you could have done. Gothic.net has had a past of real life stalkers...but I guess you were too thick to think of that.

I think your post is full of shit. I know Santcus is not the poor damsel in distress you are making her out to be. So why don't you shut the fuck up and let things be?

EPS has had too much personal family and SERIOUS health issues to deal with right now and now this takes the top of the list. Or did Sanctus ever bother to tell you that? Sanctus is soo broke up over this? How about having to listen to a dear friend physically sick over all this drama you stirred back up? I hate you for doing that to her. She did nothing to deserve your slander and I hope you get what you deserve you fucking prick.

I have nothing more to say to you, nothing you deserve.

Oh and if you want to add my name to that list of fomer Gothic.net members shit list then here it is...

Eyes of a Tragedy.

I guess I missed out on the little chitchats outside of this forum...

So be it.

i won't post a long diatribe out of respect to EPS as well as Korova's request, yet i'll still say Eyes pretty much summed up my feelings.

Carry the fuck on, little immature self rightous prick.

Ehh...

It's clear that you don't have the knowledge of these forums to be making the remarks and statements you are right now. For instance; your remarks about private messages being disabled and how that's a clear indication that Sanctus could have had absolutely no way to contact the admins. Right before and right after EPS was banned, PMs were still enabled. If she wanted to contact DirtNap, it wouldn't have been rocket science. Not that you'd have known that, because you don't have a fucking clue. Let's also point out here real quick that there's a "Contact Us" link at the very bottom of this page. Rocket science? No. Well, maybe for you. Someone should make a suggestion to the admins here to put Waldo next to the link at the bottom.

Secondly, your remarks about Sanctus being one of the only people to even react... no. Hell no. What's funny is that out of all of the... one example you provided for people who reacted to EPS' bannishment, you neglected to mention Manimal. It was Manimal's long thought out post that Sanctus essentially said "ditto" to, which was the extent of her reaction. Other members such as edible eye and many others have expressed major concerns over her bannishment in posts that are longer than a brief fortune cookie message. You, trying to paint the picture that Sanctus was one of the only two people that reacted to her bannishment is ignorant and insulting of everyone's intelligence.

The inaccuracies and bullshit go on and on. The "protective boyfriend" thing you're doing here is... well, whatever. You feel proud and that's all that matters there, eh?

What's "ridiculous" though is you, coming here and professing to hate EPS' guts when you, like Korova said, don't know half the story. Hell, you don't even know 6/7ths of the story, and that's being kind. What you THINK you know about this forum or others here, you have wrong most of the time, as evident by reading this... whatever it is you posted here. I don't want to use an adjective, cause there isn't one fitting enough for how dumb this is that you came here, pretending to know much of anything and asserting your hated for someone you, nor Sanctus, have heard anything from since this shit went down.

I never insulted Sanctus, and any chastisement came paired with a statement of the impending need of both her and E_P_S to communicate directly with one another, hence my repeated request that the one call the other. That she did call is great; and as Korova suggests, the issue is now in the hands of others.

More to your comment directly to me: I was more in contact with E_P_S than Sanctus (which is to say, I had no contact with Sanctus at all - the problem was lack of contact between Sanctus and *anyone*), and while my inclinations were to agree with the tide of those who I respected, and my emotions ran that direction as well, I was the only one to call for communication. The lack thereof is the nexus of this entire shitstorm.

That you did decide to communicate to this forum for Sanctus' sake speaks well of your level of concern, but had Sanctus responded in as well reasoned a tone, or placed said two calls earlier, I dare say much of the shitstorm wouldn't have arisen. So yes, I did count the calls, and no, you don't get to class me in the same arena as said petulant children foot-stomping and carrying on. I am accountable for my own posts, not those of others. Quote me an entire post where I gave Sanctus bad words and did not call for communication, and I'll come to an understanding of your name-calling towards me.

Until then, take care to not generalize.

Glad you made your peace with OL. I'm happy for you. That's your peace with him. I'm still at fucking war over the fact that he came over here and threw cheap shots at EPS when she couldn't defend herself or say shit on her behalf. I don't care if Jesus Christ, himself, settled the shit with this kid, I'm going to say my own piece - I don't give a flying fuck who gives me permission or says it's over. The fat lady hasn't sung in my opera.

You don't come in and piss on someone's grave, then say "Oh, I settled it with so-and-so" and expect no one else is going to contribute their two cents. Aside from coming here and issuing some sort of public statement which clears shit up with EVERYONE, he's still on the hook. He crossed the line with his remarks and he can bear the consequences and take some fucking responsibility for what the fuck he said. If that point needs to be driven in by everyone that's close to EPS, so be it.

Posted On Behalf Of Eps
 

This is EPS. I have refrained since my banishment, from creating another account to come on here and act like some obssessed child, mad because he got his toys taken away.

This site has had enough of those people with the Bodnoirbabes, DC Creeps and Bexxle's of this Forum.

I refrained from slinging mud with the others that felt the need to express their outrage, at the facts as they were available to all of us at the time. I did not ask anyone to come here on my behalf. I was not aware that anyone planned on coming here and speaking out on the PRIVATE issue at hand.

I also expressed at LENGTH my regret that so much blood was shed here, somewhere that I have always tried to be mature, professional, and caring.

It was not of my doing, and ANYONE that knew me would know that isn't my style at fucking all.

Sanctus had a very good friend advise her when she asked AFTER the bloodbath here, how to approach me. She was told give me SOME TIME, and to my understanding agreed to back off and give me that time to process all of this fucked up information.

Ya see folks, I have much bigger things going on in my life than this sickening debacle.

As many of you know I have some major medical problems, that sadly have grown past the point of bearable in the last few months. Add to that the fact that I am now having to gather enough information to get a murder investigation opened into the recent death of an immediate family member, so that the body can be exhumed. To say that it already is a crushing weight upon my very being, would be a VAST understatement.

Anyone else wanna tell me where I have room on my plate for this bullshit??

I am so fucking sorry for being so selfish.

I should have pushed all of my petty problems aside and rushed to Santus's side the second things started to go sour.

What the fuck was I thinking?

Yeah.

I didn't realize I was on a time limit to figure out all of the recent drama.


Give me a fucking break.

Loves me like a sister eh?

And you.

Corey.

You don't fucking know me, and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't pretend to know me. Nor do you have all the facts, but that is to be expected.

What is NOT to be expected is you running my hardwon GOOD NAME through the mud in PUBLIC, while you bandy my Real Name about like you know fact one about who I am.

Real fucking classy man, real fucking classy.

I have done everything in my power to not be ugly, or to pass judgement before I had all the facts, and to try and figure out what the fuck was going on.

WHILE trying to just keep my head above water physically.

I wouldn't expect you to understand, but it gets pretty fucking exhausting treading water all of the time.

I do the best I can, and try to live my life in a way that I know I will be proud of who I was when it is all over.

But you wouldn't know that, because you don't know the first fucking thing about me.

You can pass whatever PRIVATE judgements about me you want to pass.

But keep your twisted observations to yourself in the future.

And to think I was trying to put things together enough in my head, to be able to call Sanctus back tonight. What a fucking joke. This is what I get for trying to play this clean eh? I get to be called an ignorant, malicious, cunt by someone who I have never even spoken to directly in my entire life.

You don't have all of the facts, at fucking all.

And so we're clear Korova, you DO NOT have my okay speak for me in this issue to Corey, Sanctus or anyone else. I tried to make that clear on MSN earlier, but maybe I wasn't clear enough.

My friends have the right as I do to stand up for me, when I am unjustly being slaughtered by someone that doesn't have all the facts and certainly doesn't know the first fucking thing about me.

As for the rest of you sitting there, that are so quick to believe me capable of being the kind of person that this boy is trying to paint me to be, I simply say believe what you want. Those of you that know me are free to ask me whatever you wish, privately.

I think my character over the years has been consistent enough, that if you don't know what type of person I am by now, you should.

I deserved better than this, in a big fucking way Mr. Sanctus, but I guess you didn't bother to find that out before coming after me with the Warhead..

To top it all off, today is my anniversary with Manimal.

Nice timing Tough Guy.

Happy Fucking Anniversary eh?

Yeah.

Go You!!



Thanks for playin

Buh-Bye

P.S. Korova, I also think Manimal may have something to say about the issue. I think he has more of a right to say when enough is enough than YOU do when it comes to a situation regarding the assrape of my character and morality in a public forum. One which in case you didn't know, is where we met a few years ago before we became as close as we are now. I'd say he has more than earned the privilege to speak on behalf of me, if ANYONE has earned that right.

Oi - I've been working on this in between phone calls for a few hours and was hoping to get in here before EPS finally gave in... looks like I was too slow. Still, here's my take:

It’s not really nice to meet you, but hi. I’m Manimal. I’m EPS’s boyfriend. Both of us were refraining from posting about any of this drama publicly because we believe in a certain level of curtesy and professionalism – especially considering EPS’s status and previous position as a staff member of Gnet. At this point, however, it seems I have little choice. Your version of “factual” is pretty interesting btw.

Call me silly, and maybe my decade plus as a systems administrator for the government has made me stale to the latest “wife-monitoring” techniques, but it seems to me that posting her AOL contact list for all to see is not compelling evidence of her internet activity. It is also extremely ignorant and irresponsible on your part. This site, largely because of the change in moderator limitations, has had a large amount of “troll” activity and you have just given them her first name and all of the places and people she has email contact with.

Secondly, there is no challenge. There is no face-off between EPS and Sanctus. There is a series of events that took place where, to put it mildly, people got banned, feelings got hurt, fingers got pointed, and while EPS was trying to figure out WTF happened (along with her own real life issues) the drama here simply exploded to an unbelievable level. Do note, however, that EPS was not present during any of it nor does she condone it. It has, in many ways, upset her just as much as the original offense (whomever the guilty party may or may not be).

Lastly, I read the anonymous email that added to the suspicion of Sactus’ actions. The email was not the only item in the large pile of curious events surrounding EPS’ (and others) banning. While curious, it was not written in a manner befitting the description an “ill-behaved vindictive tart”, and certainly was not taken into as much consideration as the author intended.

I’m not even going to look into the insight of you being bored at her excitement of what GNet could be given the right direction, but the main part you’re missing is GNet is a community. Sure it’s had it’s ups and downs (and opinions vary on which end of the swing we’re in now) but it is a very large and usually quite strong community. This past month has been… exceptionally rough to say the least. You need to realize that despite Sanctus’ obviously busy life she HAS made hints and references to her expanding her role here at Gothic.net. The relatively new poster’s have largely all been identified as previously banned members which simply goes to further show the lack of moderating on this site which would not even be an issue had EPS not been banned which brings us full circle to the mysterious pile of… why was EPS banned?

Um. I’m going to skip over most of this because honestly the sentence structure makes little sense. The issue isn’t what she posts where, the issue is a matter of… call it dedication I guess. We know that she has little time to spare. We know she’s expressed excitement and dedication to a specific art project she volunteered for. We know she spends the bulk of her online time on Gnet (or at least it’s a relatively educated assumption). If she wants to play here, fine. If she wants to help EPS with her art, fine. If she wants to do both, fine. But lets see some communication to that effect. I can’t stress enough how badly this has all hurt EPS. She’s been physically ill over the whole thing since she was suddenly banned with no explanation.

What you refer to here is superficial conjecture at best (and confusing at that) and has no bearing on the issue at hand which is why was EPS banned and who started this shit storm of drama? Many believe it was Sanctus. At this point so many people have been hurt I don’t really think it matters anymore. Your efforts to “hero” the situation has made things incredibly worse.

Blah blah – ok you pretty much lost me at “dibs”. Multiple artists were talked to about the project in question. Sanctus did have the privilege, I believe, of being the first but others were talked to as well. All of this was discussed among the contributers. The contribution that was displayed was not done so because of some kind of stupid conspiracy against Sanctus. The contribution by the other artist was displayed because it was received before Sanctus’ was finished. When Sanctus’ was finished it was also displayed. I happened to like hers better in some regards but was ultimately outvoted. Additionally, all requests for adjustments to her art piece were simply ignored which ultimately forced the selection anyways.

Lastly, she would have known about the conversation of which you make mention had she simply been participating in the project as she stated she would. She was given the position she was in the project because of the level of trust EPS had for her and the amount of dedication expressed by Sanctus. When it came time to deliver, however, the goods simply weren’t there. I can understand real life getting in the way of things, happens all the time, but that was not the case either. And then we get to EPS’ mysterious banning here and the pile of events and circumstances surrounding it.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t know if Sanctus got EPS banned or not. Quite frankly I don’t care any more – well no actually I do. EPS still really wants to help Gothic.net. I think a lot of this animosity was fueled by the passionate, and a bit misguided, actions of others. Lets not let those actions fuel a public fire that is otherwise not there.

You’ve actually been away from fact for a while now. Pretty much the only fact I saw is the violation of Sanctus’ privacty with the posting of all of her email contacts. Actually I’m not really sure what the heck you are saying here (and I think you mean INCRIMINATED there, smarty pants). I’m wondering if perhaps you mean by “lightened load” that EPS should be somehow grateful or thankful that she’s been banned from Gnet so that she doesn’t have to bother with it anymore… hopefully not because that makes about as much sense as me being grateful if my son were to die so I wouldn’t have to care for him anymore. I hope you’re not a write because you really don’t make very clear statements.


Yes. It certainly is a mystery isn’t it? That’s what we’ve been saying. The great thing is that before it could all be unraveled the situation exploded into… I don’t know what you would call it but it shoor aint purty. When we asked for some clarification from specific parties and received none a decision had to be made. Had communication simply continued in a rational manner as requested the decision could have been unmade. At this point it’s probably too late – certainly for the time being. Time does heal many wounds and also has a way of exposing the truth to mysteries so there may yet be a resolution. You, as I said before, have indeed made things worse.

Ill-scorned cunt. Wow. You are an insensitive prick after all. Let me make this very clear. When-she-found-out-she-was-banned-it-made-her-sick. The more she learned about the possibility that Sanctus had something to do with it, and that’s all it ever was was a possibility backed by specific observations, the sicker she got. She’s cried every day since it’s happened. Granted she was weaked by other recent real life trauma but still. She loves GNet and Sanctus and this whole thing has made her very physically ill. She has Sjogrens which is triggered by stress. She gets stress, she gets fevers. She gets fevers, she throws up. How much detail do you want here? There is such a thing as letting it lie and let the person who was betrayed – cause SOMEONE got her banned from here – process everything as best she can. Blowing up her phone and email and who knows what else did not help.

Corey, you’re an idiot.

EPS, Manimal, I sincerely wish you a happy anniversary. You can come back to this quarrel any other day, but you should try to enjoy the rest of this one.

Holy fuck. I'm sorry.

EPS, the boi is upset, has been since the onset of this. He has about as much understanding of this situation as I. You must realize all he has seen is the flux of discriminating attacks against me, and the hurt it's causing. Granted, I've told him every detail I know, apparently he's created his own deductions. He's stubborn and judgemental... and in a way I don't blame him for his outburst. I'm not going to make excuses for him, he can fend his own actions but know everything he's posted doesn't speak for how I feel... and in time he might come around. For know I've changed my pass to dis-allow him access to the internet, it's going to cause a rift but just as Manimal has done you can't blame him for wanting to protect me from this extrodinary level of emotional hurt. Please know I had intended to leave well enough alone, and will continue to do so.

The rest of you, say what you will...I'm past it now. A good portion of you I barely know and your opinions..well, sorry they just don't really matter much. I know what I have and haven't done, what my intentions are, and as right as you all wish to be... your not. But it's okay, continue on in hate... if it's who you are, enjoy it but I'm not about to sink any further into your spiral.

I do want to make a few clarifications, the boi has drawn a few too many sketchy conclusions.

I don't know who's done what, I can only speculate based on what little knowledge I've been allowed. The situation has made me back track to anyone who's had a problem with me, the boi and I discussed that and he's taken it to his own conclusions.

I apologise to Wolfie and Ben for his tag on their character, I don't know what if any part they've had I'm just suspicious, they are the only two I know who've publicly berated me (previous to now obviously) without credible reason.

EPS... His opinion of you has shattered, I don't think that will heal for quite sometime.. but truth of the matter is, if you had any problem with my actions, or questioned my actions... why didn't you just ask? The phone goes two ways, I called you as soon as I heard (which reminds me considering my noted job schedule the 24 hour thing was pretty cold) I even stated why I hadn't responded "hastely" but... here I sit still empty handed and sick over it.

As to the art work situation, he was right in that... I was asked why it took me awhile to complete the art work, well... I asked pitsleh over a month ago to provide me with his background art work, asked for it at damn near every other visit... but never received it. I spent close to 5 hours on the banner I did do and felt discourged when I lost the spot to ED. But the main reason I began to slack in posting, I didn't have anything to say. There were so many discussions about the past, reiminicing... new people you all knew that I didn't... I just assumed observe until I had something useful to say, but seamingly seconds later the door slammed and I was left in the cold.

I was incredibly angry... almost bitter about it, my first instinct was to blame you EPS... more so due to the lack of trust... and lack of communication. But I'll admit that avenue was wrong.

Last, the whole ordeal over your banning... call it nieve, but I assumed you had a new world to build and that this one was destined for dust, I thought for the most part... Home is where the heart lies. All of the people you've called family has re-established itself, even closer to you.. I guess I just didn't see it though your eyes... I mean had I been banned from here I wouldn't of cared the poeple I loved which made it a family have since moved on. Hell, I even proved lack luster when Krovy dove out.. what possible gain would I have with a "vendetta" over him?

When any of this makes logical sense to me.. or any of you who want to speak to me on an a adult level, I'm sure someone can find me.

Until then, I've said my piece. I'm not defending my character anymore to cold hearts and deaf ears and I pray this to be the last moment of hell I ever need to be subjected to again.

And so here we are. You all continue to point your blood spattered fingers at one another. I wonder how long you can keep this up....

The issue/person in which you all have been attacking learned the full truth much earlier than most of you posted. You've simply all been shooting at the dust kicked up by a horse that has already passed, making you fools.

No amount of anger or resentment will lead to anyone's happiness, so please just stop and listen.

Revenge is not what is necessary here, truth is. And as long as you all keep fighting these fights, I see this only escalating and reaching a bloody end. I will not put up with watching these two girls endure any more pain because of something ANYone has to say to the other side.

The so-called defending that both main male parties (i.e. boyfriends) here have done is unnecessary for one reason. Because there is no need to defend someone if the truth has been told to both sides. It then becomes a known fact rather than an unknown rumor that someone must convey, usually along with some form of negativity. Thus the pointing fingers. Everyone needs to lay their cards on the table. If everyone knows the same info, we can get to the heart of it.

But no, it is becoming apparent to me that you all want to see more bloodshed, more pain. You forget the fact that there have been many conversations in which not everyone has been privvy to. One of which is the conversation that I have had with Sanctus, EPS, and Corey, so far. I imagine I will try and contact a couple of other parties before this is over, including Manimal. I need the two closest people of these two girls to talk with me, so that the truth and heart of the issue can be conveyed full circle.

I'm very tired and very stressed out right now, but I will see this to it's end, and there's nothing that will stop me. So either make the decision to fight your war, or stop and let the voice of reason step in. All I ask for is that everyone please stop fighting here. Like I said before, no amount of negativity will make EITHER side feel better.

I don't ever recall you being a part of this situation. It seems this is something up to EPS and Sanctus alone...

So why do you constantly feel the need to speak on behalf of someone who has clearly stated they can think for themselves??

I'm trying to believe your intentions are good but making this seem this is more of an issue to do with you than the parties this actually concern is ridiculous. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just being honest.

EPS has said her peace as well as Manimal (who has just the equal right) now we can let it die. There was no war, just a clarification since so much slander has been going around like the common cold.

Chill out. If anyone has a reason to be stressed, it would be the immediate parties.

Didn't say my stress had anything to do with them.

And let them continue throwing shit at each other. Why? Everyone's post in here still burns with firey hate. The issue has not been solved.

No one else seems to give a fuck that these two girls were friends, and everyone just doesn't care if they don't talk anymore. And the ONLY reason I involve myself in it at all, as I spent most of the time at the sidelines when this started, was because I don't see any other neutral party.

Alright, now that my irate condition has calmed, the smoke clears and I see what really needs to be done.

I'm finished with this issue, and am putting it completely to bed, as it is only in EPS' hands anymore. I just going to back off and let her think about it, as I should have done two posts ago.

Sorry for the over-involvement to any who it may apply to here.

As everyone else has let the issue rest, so I join them. The curtain is closed on this, and I have nothing further to say to anyone. So please don't post in response to me. I don't wish any more involvement.

I think it's safe to say...

I have no idea what's going on...

I also have no idea what's going on, and have no intention of sticking my nosy nose in, other than to say that: let whoever needs to sort it out, do just that. And for them to know that whoever needs the support, we can be here to offer it when asked.

*Hugs* to whoever wants them.

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I wasn't sure if I'd find another reason to post here, but I feel like I have to reply to some points made here. I've tried most of my life to learn to act with grace and wisdom, especially when emotions run hot. I'm not always successful, but I keep trying. It does make me take longer to react than others at times, and I try to think twice before speaking in those times when anger, aggression, hurt pride and a lust for retribution drive the dialog. I am not saying anything about anyone else's actions here or elsewhere. I am just addressing the points here where my name was mentioned.

Corey, let me quote the actual dialog for clarity. I've edited three parts of these posts for unrelated reasons. The missing text does not at all impact the content, and the hurtful comment I made is still clear and obvious. Oh, and I'm 47, for the record.

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SanctusDei - Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:52 pm

I'd rather just the admins have banning abilities, for one reason:

We have ****** ** **** people moderating here, all with different braking points... if just one happens to go a little gung-ho we could potentially lose quite a few good members, I would rather keep it to the few admins she assigned, all of which converse on almost a weekly basis outside of the forum... we should't ban anyone without a discussion regarding the issue, and would be fairly unbiased in making said decision

But if anyone wants to argue the matter I'm surely open to differing opinions..

Ben Lahnger - Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:21 pm

Well, I certainly understand and agree with that, although I could argue that I probably have demonstrated more patience and tolerance than at least one of the currently selected crop of Admins. That's okay, because I don't want that level of authority or responsibility at this time. I suspect that patrolling the * *** forum will keep me busy enough!

But Sanctus, back to your original point ... doesn't the 3 strike system address this with a satisfying compromise? Especially if the system stipulates that any moderator can only assign one strike to a user.

This would mean that one Admin or three Mods could ban a user ... and a three strike banning would be appealable.

SanctusDei - Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:31 am

Ben...with the patience and tolerance comment, I assume you mean me. Although it was a touch painful, it's an understandable opinion. But at least let me explain my reasons...

My issue isn't really based on the abilities of the mods to make sensible decisions, it about having 'too many hands in the till' so to speak. I'm not comfortable with the idea of having so many people possess the power to disable users, I can see it becoming a serious problem in the future...

But whatever... I'm backing out of this discussion.

EPS - Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:49 pm

I am a bit confused as to why the observation above was warranted?

I don't believe that anyone slighted your ability to be patient or tolerant, please correct me if I am wrong?

Sanctus explained the issue pretty well. We have too many Mods for everyone to have absolute access to the ban list. As she stated, we all have different breaking points. That is why we are trying to implement a " Three Strike Proposal" and a corresponding "Report Thread" so that we all know why someone was warned, and which post was problematic.

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I want the staff to be more involved, and I want there to be solid systems in place so that we can all communicate about problem members, and take action if need be.

However, what I do want to stay away from is the kind of observations made by you above.

Whether you were talking about Sanctus or not, the end result was her feeling like she should not participate in this discussion anymore. Hurt feelings are not going to help any of us here. Not to mention that type of remark usually isn't your style, and I am still hard pressed to understand what elicited that response in the first place.

If I didn't trust each and every last one of you, you wouldn't be here. But the fact remains that we still need systems in place in order for things to run smoothly.

I hope I have clarified things for you, and everyone else a bit.

Feedback is welcome and appreciated from anyone on this issue.

Thanks.

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My point in posting all that is two-fold. First, I wanted to clearly point out that the first person to point out how seriously my words hurt Sanctus, and the first person who came to her defense, was EPS. That was consistant with her character in the past, and until the personal attacks against her in this thread, that has been the character she has demonstrated all along. And I don't blame her for her reply to your comments here.

Second, yes, I did say it. I owned up to it at the time and I won't duck that responsibility now. At the time I said it, I was trying to make a point that became meaningless after I realized how much it did hurt Sanctus. As I typed the words to the post, it didn't occur to me that they could be interpreted in a way that would hurt that much. After Sanctus and EPS pointed out how mean-spirited the comment was, I kept rereading it and couldn't figure out how I could be such an idiot. So I apologized in public in the same thread, and in private by way of a PM to Sanctus. I also offered other apologies at the time, because I also realized that other people could have been offended. Yes, I made a mistake, and I expressed to everyone, especially Sanctus, my remorse.

I wish I never made mistakes, especially ones like this where I hurt people I care about. It's just another piece of evidence for why I try to be slow and measured in my words in response to crisis and drama. I thought I had made amends for this foible and had been granted forgiveness from all parties affected. I don't know if your posting this comment here indicates that it is not so, but I figured I'd better acknowledge the truth behind your comment. I just wish you had told the whole story.

(continued ...)

To continue my reply to this post, where my name was mentioned several times:

Well, I've said serveral times through my response here that I try to weigh my words for a while before expressing them. In the instance of the above comment, I never expressed any comments regarding any of the banned members, prior to a certain point, because my focus was on working on the postive things that were happening elsewhere in my life. When Xng was banned, I believe I did express some disbelief, because that removed over 9100 posts and a person that I thought personified Gothic.net more than anyone. Then, EPS's banning troubled me terribly, but her response elsewhere and her indications that she did not want to generate a response here, along with my reluctance to post emotional rants, led me to deliberate over what I should post for days.

When I finally did make a decision, it was consistant with my behavior here previously - to post rational, fact-based criticisms of the management here that would carry the weight of truth, rather than emotion, and therefore be much harder to refute or deny. Since the banned member's posts have largely disappeared, I decided the answer was to post the history of the purges, so that their story could be known to people who came here after. I know you didn't see this, but it's in this thread:

Why was empty_purple_stars banned?

You'll notice other people did speak up in that thread, so you should give credit to that. But I for one never found fault for what Sanctus did or didn't say on this matter. I just wish you would have thought better, and read a little bit around the board, before you generalized about me or the other people you indicated with your criticism.

Thank you for this bit of grace. For what it's worth, I had committed myself to endeavoring somewhere else and was finding less and less reason to post here. So I was ready for the emotional divorce from this place when this fiasco hit the fan. I am not going to comment on any of the accusations or evidence that have been brought to bear in this holy war. I do so very much wish that the communications between two people who liked and trusted each other previously could have worked better in this situation. I'll not say what I think could have been done better, as I promised myself I would do no finger pointing in this post. I'm just shaking my head and thinking the whole damn thing stinks.

I am committed to myself to this new endeavor, and don't know if I'll find reason to post here again. But I do know that I leave behind many disappointments ... What could this place have been if the garden had just been tended a little better? ... What will people do with thoughts of what should be happy memories that are now tainted by the recent words of anger and vengence? ... Is there any way that the scars that have resuted from this conflict can be healed? I just don't know.
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I agree with spookypurple. *Hugs* to whoever wants or needs them. To all of you I wish only the best.

Oh, brovo, Korova, brovo...

Thing you don't seem to understand is that several folks just don't give a shit what he said to you. He came here, to a public forum, issued a statement that was slanderous not only to people who attacked his girlfriend, but everyone who frequents this forum. He trolled this place and, like a little chicken shit puppy that pees on the floor and runs away in the face of confrontation, he did exactly that to avoid taking responsibility for his bullshit remarks.

And while you seem to be thinking that his apology to you, or understanding, or whatever it is you're trying to describe makes it ALL better, others aren't satisfied. Who the fuck are you anyways? Are you the person he came here and called a "cunt" several times? Because he conveyed to you that he "understands," it makes it all better that he just came here and took a giant shit on our boards? If that's your logic, so be it.

If you want to tell people to back off of Sanctus, that's great. It's justified on the premise that she may be innocent. But the chicken shit boyfriend needs to either come here and use the same brass balls that he used to post that bullshit at the top and tell everyone here what he told you. There's no absolutely no shred of doubt that he obviously fucked up here. So quit whitewashing it in the same manner, eh?

On a last note, you don't have any room to call people fools when you're sitting here describing yourself with the word, "neutral." You're anything but, especially with this OL character. Since halfway through this thread you've been acting as his PR department, trying to clean up the mess he made here. If he's really gone and doesn't visit this anymore, who gives a fuck if anyone continues to respond to him? Obviously you have some kind of attachment to him if you're telling everyone to back off in the same way that others have attachment to EPS by telling his dumbass to back off. So yeah, don't pretend to sit here and play "I'm the righteous and impartial guy." You're as neutral as Hugo Chavez.

Binkie-can I just tell you how much you rock? \m/

PS-My article idea? Yeah or nay?

You know, I'm only going to post to say one thing... The same as you have stated could be said of you.

Who the fuck are YOU? And what, in God's name, do you have to do with ANY of this? I'm not sure if EPS or Sanctus even know your fucking NAME, to say the LEAST.

I could have swore I said I was done. I'm through defending everyone, save for myself. I said I'm done, so please PLEASE drop me out of it. Attack him all you want, you know he'll never read it, but so be it. Do it anyways, if it makes you feel better.

Drop me out of this conversation. I could have swore I said in my above post that I over-involved myself in something that ultimately doesn't concern me. Why don't you uninvolve yourself now too?

Yeah, I browse the forum still, mostly because there are still some good people here whose words I enjoy reading, namely Binkie as well as others...

Korova, Binks has been around here longer than you or I. She used to Mod. Her and E_P_S are tight, dare I say very tight.

Advice - this isn't a good fight to pick. If you're gonna back out, just back out and let it go. You've got your contacts. Put your efforts into dealing with them. Seems there are a lot of chafed nerves riding the world wide web lately and they all need to resolve themselves in the best way they see fit. I don't believe there will be any single person with the ability to relax the crowd.

Teeth are gnashing and tempers are flaring and sometimes, if you really want to let things settle, you have to sit back, shut your mouth and let a few punches fly. Sometimes, respect is built or rebuilt in such ways.

You've said your piece. You've requested to be dropped. Others have the right to say their piece as well, if they have a piece to say. Neither you nor anyone else can control that.

There has been a major upheaval in the community many of us used to enjoy here. To attempt to squash the voice of anyone with something to say in regard to that is inappropriate, in my opinion.

Ai. Fine.

I just felt that I should not have been forced to be dragged back into it. I told her I was wrong, but that was simply not good enough. She is now beating MY skull in as I try to leave.

But like you said, I should and will just leave this be.

I'm sorry Binkie, and E_E. Just my short temper as of late that has been taking command of me. I'm done. Say what you will, everyone.

I wasn't intending on ever posting in here again but I'd feel like a sincere ass if I didn't stand a little tall for Krovy. I appreciate your defense Korova, you know it... but I also understand Binkie's point. The entire post was uncalled for, but everything he said was understandable from his limited point of view. He's aware of the attacks and slander, and knowing the accusations are entirely untrue of my character I wouldn't blame him for his anger. Thing is, everyone I thought cared about me has (and most likely still does) entitled me far worse then "cunt", labeled me with misdeeds I had no part in, put together a string of coincidences to manifest a destiny which painted me a snake... I wonder how, had you been in my shoes, you and your love ones would react to the situation?

I'd expect the same as you did for EPS... eye for an eye type shit, eh?
You all know EPS and rushed to her side as she felt betrayed, he rushed to mine as I felt betrayed. If you blame him, welcome to hypocrisy.

But anyway, Krovy.. I know you've backed down and all but as I've stated personally, don't bother defending me nor OL.. the truth will surface one way or another and the lie isn't worth you hanging yourself because these people are ruthless and I won't be responsible for your expulsion from something you hold as dear as I did.

Sanctus-I have redfused to post or anything (except talk to *a cedrtain peson* on the phone) about his situation becuas I figured it was between you and *a certain person*. However, your man came on here and acted the bitch. This pisses me off no end. Him coming here and slandering (yea, I do know what I said. Guess what? I'm a magazine editor. I have lawyers. They see it the same way as I do. Keep that in mind.) EPS's good name and reputation is outside of yourself, and doesn't speak very well about your character.

See, here's the way I see it=something came up, you were asked to explain your actions, you didn't do so in the timeframe given, and this caused problems. Your bitch steps in and spews all his prejudice and spite, thus causing more problems....and now you're trying to get us to give him a free pass?

Look, the boy might be a good lay, and he might be great in a relationship with, but he fucked up. Te fact that you're now covering up for his ass...well, I just lost a lot of respect for you. Not because I think you're a dupe, but because you're letting this fucktard who doesn't know the situation take charge of it, just because he's your man.

Sorry, but the only honorable thing for him to do is to apologize. And if he doesn't have the balls to do it...fuck him. There are plenty of worthwhile guys in the world. This one ain't worth your time.

And if he wants to whine about what I just said (he can contact me personally. I have no qualms meeting him face to face, just so I can see how he reacts to me calling him a whiny bitch to his face)

Have you read my post Loy?? What the fuck is wrong with you?? I never condoned or spoke for what he did. And honestly you all treated me with the same disrespect and slander as he did EPS. Why should he apologise for doing the same fucking shit you all did to me. The only people you all are hurting here is both EPS and I and I'm fucking sick of it LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!!! You've attacked me and my boyfriend (who was only defending your crappy reasonless treatment of me) once too many times... I didn't do a god damn thing, I don't know nor have talked to the fuckin admins... I never hurt EPS... He was entitled to his fucking opinion just like eveyone else here... I never responded to any of you in fucking anger and yet youR STILL FUCKING TREATING ME LIKE FUCKING SHIT!!!! I repeat I DIDN'T DO ANY OF WHAT YOU'VE ALL CLAIMED... If* the boy wants to apologize it's up to him... but considering the circumstances.. the fact that he watched me practically cry myself to sleep over the loss of EPS, which is a misdeed that YOU caused is reason enough for me to not be angry over his actions. If you want him to apologise then you fucking apologise first.. you dragged me through the mud LONG before he ever posted... and until now I've rolled with the fuckin punches trying to let it solve itself... but you won't fucking shut up about it and let EPS decide on her own, if anyone is a bitch here it's you... you just can't give it up!! OH and speaking of time limits how the mother fuck do you expect me to meet a time limit when I fucking worked the entire day my "time limit" was set... went to fuckin' bed... got up the next morning the immediately was slapped with a million attacks... GREAT FUCKING CHANCE TO DEFEND MYSELF. Loy... don't ever speak to me again your treatment of me makes me sick, had I done anything I wouldn't care but as it stands I'm not even conciously capable of doing that.....all you want to do is hurt me and it speaks more about your character then anything I've done to calm the situation.

Oh and BTW Loy, I wasn't even here when he posted it... got angry when he did... he apologised to me and intends to apologise to EPS but stands firm on his opinion of almost everyone else, and don't you dare use your respect of me as a wieght over my head, if you believe any of this bullshit then you never had any for me to began with...Don't fucking speak to me about prejudice and spite his one word insult would NEVER compare with the slew of bullshit that flew my way. I didn't let ANYONE take charge of shit, he took his own charge... All of EPS's friends stepped in and tore me to peices, and I didn't even do anything... Then one person who knows what kind of person I'm not steps in for me and makes one comment toward the one person who could have ended the slander long enough to discover the truth, then all hell brakes loose. Nice to know I never had friends here... save a few, almost every last one of you has lied to me... because apparently there was never a relationship to want to save amongst you.

Let me lay it down for you simply.

I was given a 24 hour window to defend an offence I never commited, I had to work/sleep the first 18-20 hours of that time limit and found out about it far too late. When I explained myself (which I shouldn't of had to do) I was attacked... repeatedly...and with severe maliace. I tried to keep my head, responded on level terms... no matter how mean and immature the responses got I alone remained calm. I was hurt at that point that EPS never stepped in... atleast quelled the public attack... now I stand here, friendships ruined and my name torn to shreads... all over nothing.

I have a right to be hurt... to be angry.. to hate. He has a right to feel the same this situation has directly affected him through our relationship, your forgetting that behind every word I write is a REAL FUCKING PERSON... an every last person who posted here has caused me far more pain then one word could ever cause EPS. But this dosen't mean I condone it... and the boi is sorry for it. But at this point nothing that comes of this is any of your business... you caused a shit storm long before he tried to defend me in it... now it's up to EPS and I to fix it. Thanks for all your 'help' btw.

Are you back? Cos I don't really know you but I sure missed your poetry...

Too bad... nice to see your posts again, anyway.

Well how about Sancty?

What's one of them?

*squeaks*

Thanks!