An Inconvenient Truth
 

Has anyone seen this movie??? If so what are your ideas about it???

Good on some halfs, but bad on some. I saw it. Kind of gimmick-y, I'm too sure I'm afraid of global warming, though.

I've seen clips.... I'm more worried of natural climate change.. historically speaking we are still in one of the nicest times in the globes history.. None of these scientists ever talk about natural change and how we are powerless about it... It's just the typical jump on the bandwagon, make it a religion and it will dissapear thing.Lets look back to the 60's 70's 80's and all the other scares we've had.

Aren't we due for an ice age? O_o

1970s is was all about global cooling.

I sat through Gore's film just to give it its "day in court." While there is no refuting of the rising temperatures, the evidence to support his assertion it's "human-caused" is nill in the film. Therefore it was really taken with a grain of salt.

You know when the New York Times disagrees with him, you may be actually looking at an alarmist.

Yes actually, and I hate ice, I hate the cold...

Lets turn the factories up full blast.. none of this cold business anymore!!!

It was a good film. I'm surprised people still try and argue that global warming is not happening, with all the evidence around them. There was an article last week...

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/clim..._N.htm?csp=34#

Which has some more interesting stats on the matter. In fact, many of the problems it outlines are already starting to happen in areas. For example the timber industry is now plagued by various species that before were killed by cold, however their native areas no longer have cold winters. This is causing hundreds of millions in losses to the U.S. timber industry each year now. Two years ago they said it was 'El Nino' (sp?), but now are saying its a permanent change and will directly effect the industry. Same goes for the fishing industry in Alaska - also being effected by species now overtaking fishing grounds due to the raise in temperature. I'm sure over the course of the next 5-10 we will see those get worse, and others appear.

The fact the Supreme Court has now come out last week and admitted that it thinks it is happening is also a big reverse in previous policy and sure to have an effect.

In interviews after they sited this film as part of their studies on the matter.

I don't know, his video was pretty convincing, and if all the information is correct, then there is a trend. There is no way to say that there isn't; if you look at the graphs and data he has supplied you can see the temperatures are rising.

Temperatures rise and fall like that all the time though. Throughout the last 500,000 years or so that's been the trend. In fact the current spike is not as intense as it's been 130,000 years ago or the spikes that came before that.

http://www.koshland-science-museum.o...storical02.gif

According to his information, and if it's correct...it's twice as high as it has ever been in 1,000+ years. One thing that is sure, is that it is climbing faster than it ever has before.

I liked the film. I thought he had some very good points and I thought he presented his information well. Personally I am a bit afraid of global warming. I'm looking at the weather now and it is so crazy. Things like this nor'easter aren't supposed to happen in April. The weather changes and it's ties to global warming are scary to me. My father told me though that it won't be me who has to worry about global warming so much, it will be my grand kids who will have to worry about it.

Just for a change how about reading: Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 Years.

I am all for us becoming better caretakers of this big blue marble we live on. I do what I can to recycle, reduce, etc... Changes should be made to stop the r*ping, pillaging and polluting of our Earth, but not on the use of scare tactics on the masses so a few can make a hideously enormous amount of money.

I sometimes watch with my boyfriend the pieces put out on the Discovery channels about how the Earth will be eons in the future. They give me the willies. The Earth evolved before us, continues to evolve despite us and will continue to evolve after us.

There is a global scientific consensus on this issue, including in the United States: global warming is real, and humans are the primary cause. That's a rather big thing to just ignore.

Al Gore's additional commentary is unnecessary.

Drake

Wasn't there also a concensus on the world being flat at one time and the universe revovling around the earth?

You mean it isnt?

Dude! Get a new text book!!!

lol

But all the new books are edited by aliens trying to get us away from the truth!!

You do realize reductio ad absurdum is a logical fallacy, right?

Interesting movie. some parts kinda scare the hell out of me knowing that we may be causing the global warming and such. Glad I don't own a car anymore.

Will that mean that we should start living "green"?

"YAY!!!! WE'RE DOOMED!!!" - quoted from GIR

I'm not ignoring it. But I also look at what other, just as well respected scientists have to say about it. I just can't seem to help myself from looking at something from all sides.

I'm not overly fond of the word consensus. Just because a bunch of people decided something to be true, doesn't necessarily make it true. You can force someone to say it is true by either giving or taking away something important to them.

Oh I see that was kind of covered while I was at work. The down side of working nights, I miss all the good stuff.

And DarkGentleman, yes we should try to live a little greener. After reading an article in my paper today it will at least save you some money on your utility bills. More money=more fabric :D

Global warming is like the earth has fever and is trying to kill off a disease it just caught called humanity=p .Just a day in bed for earth and then it will be all better.

Yes. Just never among scientists. We've been through this. Could they be wrong? Yes. But absent a specific reason to believe so, it makes sense to trust them. Scientists have a really good track record.

Drake

As I said.. It's more scary to think we can't change this because it's natural.. which they never really address...

And today they said that global warming has stopped the big hurricanes this year... which is opposite of what they said last year...

That's up to the people upstairs, or if you take democracy very seriously (unlike me), us. Or to individuals acting in their own capacity in view of their own interests. Scientists are just in the business of saying what's what - not what to do.

Before I respond to that, could you cite me something? I couldn't turn anything up using Google.

Drake

Humans play their part in global warming, I think most people agree on that. Why we can't do anything concrete about it is because economic concerns take a precedence over environmental concerns. I'm just curious as to how long this can go on.

http://www.predictweather.com/global_warming/index.asp
I do not agree with some parts of it, but i think most of it is solid

Fact: The atmosphere on the planet Venus is 100% CO2, produced entirely from volcanoes. Because it is closer to the Sun , its atmosphere is in turmoil all the time. On the other hand Mars, also with a CO2 atmosphere is so frigid its polar caps are solid CO2, which we call dry ice. The coldness comes purely because Mars is further from the Sun . If CO2 alone heated planets up,
Like this is bull right here, a solid has much different properties to a gas.

By the way this is info was given by a friend( he wanted this part in bright colours)

The enormous number of obvious errors on that page make it very, very difficult to take seriously, much less view as a serious challenge to what real scientists are saying. Congrats for picking out what is probably the worst section - a piece of nonsense that can be picked apart by anybody who has had high school level introductory physics. I'm a little baffled as to how you can agree with its basic thrust, with all the stuff like that in there.

Drake

The information I just provided was what a friend wanted me to tell you, I actually havent looked over it myself. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression that I was the one supporting it.

I'll try and find the info on those scientists. I heard it on a radio station the other day.

The hurricane thing is interesting though. After Katrina allot of scientists spoke on how it'd get worse and worse as time goes on from global warming. I remember being in Bellchase , La as a kid and having much worse weather then than now.. and that was 84'.

I do think it's odd that scientists are predicting this huge warming thing when they can't acurately predict next months weather.

Let me try and research the info on the scientists... I think I heard it around 10am on 580am here in fresno, ca...

Did anyone watch this.. it's great! Don't ness believe it all, but better points were made by Newt than Kerry.. btw.. it's Kerry vs Newt G on climate change. Skip the first 15 mins or so.. it's just other people bs'ing.

Still researching the scientists claim on the hurricane thing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74520095835803

Yeah, I've thought about it that way before as well. O_o;;

Doesn't anyone find it slightly suspicious that all the big names that argue that it's NOT happening all are backed and paid for by the companies that most scientists claim are responsible for the process?

Like everything else, this discussion in the political world will sit idle until another great calamity occurs and a large number of people of are killed, then change will begin. It's sad in this day and age that it takes a large scale loss of life to get people to open their eyes to the world around them.

Problem is though in this case, there is a chance that what is broken cannot be fixed.

Smells like a cover-up or they are just in denial of all this.

If we can't fix it, then we have only ourselves to blame.

Conspiracy! Conspiracy!!!!!

OYG!!!!

Anyone with an opposite point of view is condemned as being payed off or a denier...

So much for that wonderful thing as free speech huh...

Heresy!

Evil Halliburton crony!

I take it from your use of the word 'denier' you are refering to the recent Newsweek article that came out claiming global warming wasn't happening, that had a caption saying the writer had no ties to big oil or the bush admin, then it was later revealed that this was 100% false - the writer was in fact working for the bush admin, had in the past, and was currently recieving large grants from big oil - Newsweek ran the story without every checking his credibility.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/041307EB.shtml

I mean, anyone can check the sources of articles from 'experts' these days and see who's been paying them.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ichard_Lindzen

It's quick, easy, free, and a good way to see what articles you read from 'experts', really are from persons you should be listening to.

That is just one of many examples I could site on this. Find any article that claims global warming isn't happening, and you can bet that scientist is on the payroll of big oil or the bush admin.

Does that make me a skeptic because you (and everyone else) can't cite one source that doesn't have ties to big oils that can verify or back up their claims?

If it were in a different situation, say that scientists found that beef caused cancer, and the only scientists, a minority group even, that said this was not true were all paid by grants from McDonalds or directly worked for McDonalds, would you not think thats a little off?

I wouldn't called it skepticism, I'd call it realism.

LOL!!!

Yeah, That pretty much sums it up...hehe

Read this book, it's great. I bought it this weekend after I saw a book thing on cspan.

http://www.amazon.com/Politically-I...onmentalism/dp/

Here's another site with the actual video I saw.

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ID=8503&SN=

I full heartedly aggree with this guy. The politicising of this issue has gone too far. The facts just aren't there. I'll be done with the book soon.

Ages ago I couldn't find anything on volcanoes causing global warming.

Well, here you are.

http://www.livescience.com/environm...reat_dying.html

Yep, US is all to blame...yep.. really <input sarcasm>

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/24/10288

Here's a cut and paste thing from another post about russian flag planting in the north poll. It's more relevent here.

I can't watch the movie... I'm already scared shitless...

What you fail to address is that yes, the world is slowly warming up, however in the past 20 years the rate at which the world is warming has increased exponentially.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2...Comparison.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...redictions.png

Arguing it's a normal occurance, what the bush admin has been trying to say since they took office is a half truth. It is happening, but on a much smaller scale naturally.

What we are seeing now is major shifts in worldwide climate changes. These changes have already wiped out thousand year old glaciers in a matter of months. These changes thawed the North Pole to the point where submarines were able to get to the land below the ice for the first time last week.

These changes, if left unchecked at the current pace, will cause global catastrophes in our lifetime.

As was pointed out in the film, the 'studies' that the bush admin and other right-wing pundits cite, were all commissioned by the oil industry. All independent studies worldwide show the opposite of what bush and his oil cronies have tried to show the world.

There is even a bit about this in the film. Have you seen it? Where they go through oil exec emails that lay out their plan to block those who want to change environmental procedures by saturating the media with false reports based on false conclusions.

As bush now says, he never says it isn't happening, he says it's a theory. Thats their tactic. It is a theory, the problem is the only way to see if its true is if you let the world environment slide to the point where all life dies, that is the only way to prove the theory true.

Those arguing against change want to 'wait' to see if the theory is true (readin: wait until there is enough public outcry because of worldwide destruction and catastrophe).

The other thing you have to take into account is this: environmental policies to stop global warming are good. Stopping pollution, using less energy, having a 'green' rated home that uses less energy should not be something the government fights. How can one argue that lowering your monthly bills is bad? Unless you are the one selling the energy?

How can you argue that taking steps to prevent a possible global catastrophe is a bad thing? I mean, even if they just believe its a theory they still have to realise on some level they take the threat seriously.

that means they are actively not protecting future generations, why? Because of money? Because rich oil execs don't want to lose shares in the market? We are letting the future of the earth be determined by the bank accounts of oil execs.

Businesses already face laws restricting how long they can make their employees work, the types of work, safety measures, etc. They fought tooth and nail to keep those changes from happening as well because that meant cutting into their bottom line.

This is nothing new, except for the fact we have oil executive now integrated into the political machinery of the government.

Every member of bush's team has ties to the oil companies. I mean, bush owned harkan oil, which later became delta oil when he partnered up with bin ladens brother. Cheny was former head of halliburton. Rice was the first black woman to have an exxon oil tanker named after her (both of her parents were also oil execs for exxon).

Even if you only think there is a slim chance that global warming is happening, that still means you believe on some level it is happening. To disregard that threat in todays world and allow the future of the world, and your children, to be place in the hands of oil execs, the same crowd who started an illegal war for oil disregarding the hundreds of thousands of lives that has already caused, well, seems a bit off.

In the end, we are talking about making life for everyone better with these changes. The only people 'fighting' it are factory owners who want to pollute, oil companies, who want to raise their stock prices by selling more, not less oil, and politicians who have millions of dollars on the line with their oil/big business lobbyists who pay them to look the other way.

Why anyone would want companies to pollute more, and not have businesses try and help the environment is beyond me.