Is This Real? (WARNING VERY SAD AND GRAPHIC!!)
 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450117,00.html

I am physically nasious, and I want someone to pay.

You can sign the petition here.

I dunno how familiar you are with that particular 'newspaper', but it's one that prints wildly bizarre and largely untrue articles just to get readers stirred up. The term "Sun reader" in England is actually a term of abuse. Don't get me wrong, I really pray that this article IS one of the fabricated ones. The paper has a long and 'glorious' tradition of inciting racial hatred against the French. They kind of miss the point that they're largely preaching to the converted!! LOL! I agree this article is desperately upsetting. I hope it's not true.

that is so disgusting they should be in so much shit .... just yuck ,,..... why would they do such a thing....

~Ghost~

it's france.

perhaps their frustration over being pussies for so long has bizarrely backfired and they're now taking their aggressions out against stray dogs, figuring that somehow, that will negate the title of pussy their country has been given. not only a nation of cowards are they, but it would seem they are also a nation of idiotic dolts. after all, when a cat fights back against a dog, people look at the cat a little differently. they must be convinced the rest of the world is calling them "pussy", as in "cat".

stupid, fuckin' french.

http://www.geocities.com/just_anothe...Sucks-flag.jpg

C'est domage que je suis francais.

Eh, I smell bullshit. Having gone shark fishing with puppies, I can say the hook in that picture is entirely too small, and the rigging just makes no sense whatsofuckingever. First, you might hook through the nose to guide the line, but depending on if you were using an uprigger, downrigger, a ballon, or a kite to troll with, you’d want to wrap the canine fully around the body with steel gauge cable with set hooks about every six inches, because when the shark bites…with those teeth dear…and he shows them…pearly whites…

There’s no fucking way you could set the hooks in that mongrels nose, because the shark will strike from back to head, which will leave the fisherman with only a decapitated dog head, and no shark.

Then again, maybe the French are that stupid, but I’ll give them a little credit.

That's not funny TStone. Not at all.

Considering the news article and the picture, I rather thought it was.

Apparently.

The Sun?!!!! You surely don't mean the english Sun has suddenly turned into a credible news source... ...er... ...do you?

There are tabloids in the US as well, like The News Of The World. aren't there?

I say we find another source before we ship the statue back and demand a refund for Louisiana. :P

freedom fries... ...chuckles...
(I bet the belgians are still pissed off over the mistake of calling them french in the 1st place)

post scriptum Not to mention that the hooks through that bit of the snout either went right through the upper jaw bone (which I very much doubt), or were just put through the dogs upper lip (which makes me doubt it would have held the dog through the water without ripping the lip loose. But let me run the numbers through Deep Thought and I;ll get back to you on this in about 10 000 000 years time. :)

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Me funny. :D

Ya you make Al laugh like when him tickle sabertooth. ^_^


fyi I pray you and TStone are right on this. I'd gladly eat crow on this, or at least a tofu alternative, much like ToFurkey.

Brandon Lee is dead Al, let it go, you perverted necrophiliac. :D

Does the sentence mean you'd be willing to eat crow if it turns out to be a fake, or that you'd eat crow for it to be fake? I really wanna know...

I have a feeling there'd be some bit of a public outcry over this. As much as people seem to rag on the French, they are human just like anyone else. My logic sense is tingling, and it's telling me bullshit. Much like the Toronto Sun.... or the Ottawa Sun in Canada.

It's juuust barely above the National Enquirer status. My right index finger hurts. Sorry guys, but I'm just going to have to leave this one where it is and take my ailment to the whining forum.

Yes! I didn't like to mention The National Enquirer, but you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. The Sun is about on that level for hard-hitting investigative journalism. The paper deliberately has whole "French bashing" campaigns where you can collect coupons for tshirts with 'witty' anti French slogans. Theirs is a world where 'big hearted Sun readers' (and that's a quote) are (so the paper says) solely responsible for saving most of the world. And did you know the reading age for it is 11? Draw your own conclusions. Oh, and BTW, I'm half Belgian and I don't like being called French. Nothing political. Just geographical. Like New Zealand and Australia. Or Canada and America. Or ... oh, I dunno. Bound to be somewhere else.

Again, I really really want this to be fake.

The reason I found it was it was linked from Drudge Report...

WTF?!

They're bastard everywere: in France, in UK, in Japan (whales hunting!) and sadly all over our beautifull planet.
Please don't generalize.


Signed: a "french" anarchist who dream of a world without country.

Nous savons, ma petite, nous savons qui'lya de connards dans tout le monde. soyez bienvenue, alors, did you introduce yourself in the proper place? Merci beaucoup.

Aurecante, just wanted to check something (as it's tricky to gauge irony etc without hearing someone's voice). Did you really mean "They're bastard everywere....
Please don't generalize." You know, like when someone says "I've told you a thousand times, don't exaggerate"? I don't want to misinterpret what you said. J'espere aussi, que l'histoire n'est pas vrai, mais, toujours, il y'aura des idiots qui pense que le monde n'a pas aucun valeur.

Sorry, i mean "there are bastards everywere". (ie: "not just in France")

If you want to know, this story was on every french tv news yesterday: everybody (me included) seem chocked by it. The SPA (french RSPCA) launch a worldwide petition against this thing.
But what also piss me off is the title of this thread: just because some sick men torture dogs, you have to hate an entire country?

MrMaelstrom, i will introduce myself this week when i'll have free time :)

Thank you for that, Aurecante. As for me, I think any kind of hate is waste of time, and, ultimately, damages oneself most. But as for racial hatred, I would always try to meet every single member before I decide whether or not I like the race... So if anyone asks if I hate the French/English/whatever, I have to honestly reply "No. I haven't met them all yet." And, as you say 'there are bastards everywhere.'

aw, don't worry, aurecante. i can't speak for anyone else but i hate the french (two-faced, backstabbing, cowardly bastards) for much more than just the fact they torture dogs (and i don't find this report surprising in the least) - and i suppose i'm talking about the french government primarily when i say that, although i'm not too fond of the citizenry either.

your country has pissed on america and the supposed "friendship" we shared for the last time, in my eyes.

as your people say - c'est la vie.

But they do make nice almond meringues.

maybe. and if so, i hope you enjoy it spooky.

i'll take a lemon meringue over that anyday - a nice, home-made, american lemon meringue pie. yum.

Nah, too much sugar for me really. I get a bit hyper. Give me hot buttered welsh cakes any day. Hmm. Feeling the urge to do some baking...

No. I have many other reasons.

It's rather disappointing that we can identify a plot of land with a specific set of values. A culture with a distinct set of stereotypes. A people with a rigid state of mind. Honestly, if you feel it's necessary to hate a group of people, by all means, go right ahead.

However, to make a variety of generalizations when you've never been to the country is horribly ignorant. If you have a problem with foreign policy, etc. that's purely a concern of the government, not the people subject to it... and for those that have been to the country and entertain hostility all the same, generalizing and stereotyping entire groups of people won't get you anywhere.

I find topics like this particularly offensive because I'm of French decent. I'm a mutt, but French is definitely right in there with the rest of it. I'm content to listen to people joke about the French and their white flags, the Germans and their Naziism, the Irish and their alcoholism, and Canadians and their over-liberal use of the word "Eh," the Dutch and their... well... being Dutch... But once people start tossing words around like "hate," and once people start to take a more serious stance against an entire group of people is when I call bullshit and draw the line.

Jokes are fine when exchanged in a humourous context. Jokes are fine in other contexts, even. Where the line gets really skewed is when I find myself seeing people that I respect make judgements of an entire culture and an entire history and an entire way of life when they have trash piling up in their own backyard.

So fine, there are problems with the French, at least in a context of stereotypes and even the government. I'll stand by that and nod in agreement. I'll say the same towards the Americans, the Canadians and any other country on this earth of ours.

That doesn't give an excuse to draw the line to hate. That doesn't give an excuse for intolerance. The people that are doing these things, regardless of their nationalities, are to blame. There are American Christians that had a desire to bomb a particular mosque in Jerusalem in order to bring about armegedon and the second coming of Christ. That doesn't mean that all Christians nor all Americans much less all American Christians are off their fucking rockers.

So please, people. I know you have the capacity to practise tolerance, and I have absolutely no trouble with people expressing their distaste for the French, or Canadians, or Americans or any other nation in general, but come on. Let's not resort to hate.

disfunction -

thanx. the word "distaste" is much more appropriate. i have extreme distaste for the french, as a people.

"hate" IS too strong a word, especially when one-on-one i can find myself genuinely appreciating individuals. thanx for bringing me back to earth.

Not a problem, Edible. It's my job, as a Canadian.

*shifty eyes*

Yeah the tongue was placed very firmly in the cheek when I made the title. There was a time here when people didn't take shit so serious.

Still not a huge fan of them. Oh well, at least they aren't those damn Dutch. ^_^

My response wasn't to the title. It was to later content in this thread....must be the Iroquoi in me... Can't understand you white man.

Well, I done been there, and I gots to say, I don't appreciate what a small group of individuals did to me because I was an american, and (Oh, the horrors,) the child of a military man. Sad. To throw rocks at a six year old. The actions of a few can color your perspective, if you let them. I haven't.

I don't remember the entire French nation throwing rocks at me, or chasing me out of businesses, ect. and calling me "Yank" like it was a dirty word. I was six to almost eight, and it happened in France and in England, but that was years and miles ago.

Seems the political climate can become so tense that people everywhere have a tendency to take their anger and frustrations out on individuals when they can't hurt the government that distresses them. I spent a year and a half in that climate, thank you, and it wasn't any fun, but there were a handful of decent people who didn't act that way.

E_E and Al are smarter than that. They are angry, and express it honestly. You know where they stand, but they wouldn't throw rocks at a kid.


I don't appreciate some of the things that are said about "Yanks" on other sites I go to. The level of paranoia I see on some of the U.K. threads conserning the actions of the U.S. government is astounding. Politically, I'm not crazy about most of the governments running this globe, but I don't hate the French. I just don't appreciate their political actions of the recent past.
That's okay, because lots of U.S. citizens do.

They are entitled to their opinion.

As far as the harsh words said on this thread, they are about par with some I've read on other sites, slamming the U.S. Cruise the bbc threads long enough, and you'll get the drift. Apparently we are barbarians bent on nuking the world.

Thing is, They sound to me like the lunatic fringe. Yet they populate forums that are heavily trafficked, and are not called down by the admins. I don't want to be like them. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm not happy with any nationalism, patriotism, etc. It's all well and good to love your country, but once you get into the whole concepts of superiority, supremacy, etc. it becomes problematic. We're all living on one planet. We're sharing it, and when one person fucks up, we all feel it in the end.

I couldn't stand it when I lived in the states and I would be consistently ridiculed first for being Canadian, and then because it got to me. It's trivial. It's really trivial to focus on a group. If I'm ever going to hate someone, it's going to take a lot. It's not possible for me to even hate a group. I don't have the capacity I once did.

I'm not looking up to getting into a political debate nor a sociological one. I'm giving the French ye olde carte blanche because I personally have never been there. There are a lot of Canadians that feel the same as those French people you cited. A great many. We here like to call them idiots.

I'm not even trying to preach here, but what I am getting at is that actions speak louder than words, and saying nothing at all where as they say everything there is to be said is a sign of superiority... and right now people are reciting very, very old lines that I've heard enough times that if I hear them say it one more fucking time I'm going to bash him over the head with a chair until chair and head become inextricably intertwined.

Ah...the constant bashing of a country...THAT'S never happened on this board!

"We here like to call them idiots."

Yup. Read my post closer. I don't like all the bashing going on and on and on, in many of the sites I go to. It gets old. I don't feel the level of anger you seem to, but it bothers me.

I know there are a lot of Canadians that feel the same way those french people felt.

I mean, no duh! You're preaching to the choir on that one.

I just wanted to point out that this kind of slamming isn't confined to one country. It's universal, and spans decades. I got nailed back in the '60's, and when I go to other boards, I'm still taking heat. There are several I don't even bother posting to anymore.

We do it, they do it, too.

If someone points out how common and universal this kind of slamming is, then maybe we can think it over and decide that we don't want to be like this.

As far as disliking someone, they have the right to their opinions. I seriously doubt the people of the French nation will lose any sleep if I happen to be unsupportive of their choices.

I'm just glad that the distinction was made between politics and the average citizen. We need to make that distinction.

Well said ghosty!

Hi there,
Well it's my first post here (no i didn't introduce myself in the proper place ^^')
I know i'm really far from speaking (actually writing) english as you guys (I'm French *don't hit please* Oo ) but i hope you'll be able to understand my message though.
First of all it seems really obvious that this 'news' is fucking bullshit.
I totally agree with him.
And on top of it just search for 'shark hook' with google or whatever, you'll find something like that : http://www.blueoceantackle.com/shark_lures.htm
i don't think the hook showed in this picture would be able to hold a shark big enough to swallow a whole dog...

Now to answer to edible_eye ( )

To my mind when a friend is doing a mistake it's your 'duty' (i don't find the right word) to do all that you can to stop him. Or at least no helping him to do so.
And YOUR war was a fucking mistake. ( i'm not speacking in the name of France, it's only my opinion)
Your country ( government) lied to wage it's war.
As we, and many other country, thought there weren't any weapon of massive destruction in Irak.
You betrayed the UNO council, you betrayed the world. (you = your government but you choose it)
Just wake up please...your government is killing ( murdering) your country's boys (not to speack about irkian civilian) for OIL. And that's all.

yeah 'weak up' is exactly what you should do.
Do you want me post photos of legless childrens ?? ( yep i remind you that your democatic-fair-honourfull- country is still using ANTIPERSONNELMINES ( here are the members of the treaty : http://www.icbl.org/treaty/members ) well i don't see your country Oo any fucking explanation?

Or shall we speak about the Kyoto protocol?
Even if this news was true ( what i really don't think ) why the hell don't you care about your own country which is killing the world for $$$$$?

Sorry but your post really upset me...

I'm not against USA and neither do i 'distaste' it's people, but friends should call for back up only for fair things that's all

btw i would be really pleased if someone here could tell me all my english mistakes through a pm ^^'

*waiting for peace on earth*...*sigh*

Very typical.

"Hey don't bash France! How dare you!? Now let's get back to all the things wrong with America..."

Might as well delete this or throw it in Politics.

fallen angel -

"friendship" and the actions of a "friend" can be viewed as you put it, sure - however i tend to feel that even if one has done all that one can to change or distract one's "friend" by what one believes to be a poor choice, that same person would cover a "friend's" back when push came to shove. and let's face facts - there are no "friends" when it comes to global politics, there are common interests. and that is perhaps where the point of your post lies.

the common interest here is oil. i would imagine that's something we could agree upon. you say the united states went to iraq in order to acquire oil although we have not benefitted from the iraq invasion. shall we redirect our attention to a leaked report last year condemning illegal kickbacks from iraq, namely saddam? something about your own country, in fact. something implicating your oh-so-innocent-and-righteous country for doing exactly what you accuse america of trying to achieve. from the timesonline -

surprisingly, we find your country's name right up there in the top 3. oh, and just as a reminder - your country was 1 of 3 who voted against the war. could it be your illustrious leader was bought off? could be, sure. but take heart - he wasn't the only weak man of governmental power. putin was right there next to him, as was schroeder from germany, who, interestingly enough, wasn't listed above. perhaps germany just knew enough not to vote for the affirmative when it came to invading another country, even if it was justified at the time. they've had a pretty bad history concerning such action.

aw, hindsight's 20-20, isn't it? you're arguing what happened then with knowledge of the now. at the time, ALL of the u.n. believed that iraq and saddam had some capacity of illegal weapons and was not cooperating with international inspectors. this has all been covered over the past, few years here but a quick recap from fco.gov.uk is as follows -

that's rather lengthy. feel free to read it, but the bottom line was - the u.n. (that's all countries across the globe, mind you) continued to pass resolutions. the u.n. believed there were weapons and/or weapon capabilities in iraq under saddam. the u.n sucks as a collective body and is capable of enforcing absolutely nothing. and when the u.n. decided to do what it does best, which was absolutely nothing, the u.s alongside other countries frustrated with the u.n.'s incapability to act decided to step up to the plate. i don't expect you to understand that in its entirety, fallen_angel. you were raised in a country that believes it's easier to drop drawers and expose your naked rear to an enemy, rather than fight. no fault lies with you, to be sure.

actually, you need to wake up. and i think it's funny that you spelled it 'weak up', whether on purpose or by accident. that pretty much describes your country to a 'T' and it's policy concerning action when it's needed.

photos of legless children... go ahead and post 'em. i've seen them. too bad saddam didn't live up to his end of the bargain. maybe they'd still have their legs, but a man who would gas whole cities of men, women and children doesn't have that on his conscience, i would imagine. every american soldier over there does, i would imagine again.

my opinion, fallen_angel, is that you're an anti-bush fanatic, another oh-so-fashionable stereotype of what has become popular in this world. show me proof that the united states is using land mines. that's nothing more than bull shit, until proven conclusively. what would we have to gain? we restrain ourselves when it comes to bombing areas, so as to cut the number of casualties but we set mines? makes no sense. there have been contentions both pro and con in terms of mine use. the truth lies somewhere in the middle - inconclusive for now.

i find this quote especially funny when your country was turning a blind eye to death and the potential for more in iraq and abroad BECAUSE of the same money you have no proof to back up when it comes to america. spout your rhetoric. your words are empty.

now, i'll say again - i WISH we (america) had the wherewithal to pull every last man and woman out of that shitstain country as soon as we declared the search for weapons over. i care nothing for that cesspool of a country. let them all kill themselves. they mean nothing to me.

that money would be better spent here, inside our own borders. the iraqi constitution is a joke. their government is a joke. fuck them. i don't want anymore americans dying for their cause, whatever their cause is. let the iraqis fight for what they want. if they don't want another dictator taking control of their lives, they'll figure out how to do it.

Private Messages aren't working yet, long story.

But for a non-English speaker, you exspressed yourself very well. The mistakes were minor and not worth pointing out really. Except, 'Weak Up' should have been 'Wake Up' but I think E_E mentioned that.

I wish I could speak French as fluently as you do English.

Je parle seulement français.. ( If thats right, I'm terribly rusty )

We are ALL entitled to our opinions, and I understand that Passions and Tempers flare brightly on this subject..

There are strong cases both FOR and AGAINST this war.

Welcome and go Introduce Yourself, we can always use another passionate member of this forum to keep things interesting..

Me? I don't read The Sun unless I am out of Toliet Paper..

oh, and before i forget my manners, fallen_angel - i agree with e_p_s concerning your english and spelling. bravo. for someone writing in a non-native language, you express yourself quite well.

I say the French suck, I get chastised for it, then you turn around and accuse my country of blatently murdering children. No.

Yes your English is fantastic, your ideals of what is offensive and what isn't, very twisted.


That's just about the best thing I've read in awhile.

thanx, man.

No prob. Did you check your yahoo email yet?

no. i'll go do that right now.

The photo in the article isn't genuine, if that makes any difference. The Sun are very good at doing "This is what it might just possibly look like" sort of photos. You know, like pasting a celeb's face onto a wrinkly body to show exactly what they'll look in 40 years time. That sort of thing. I know this isn't the point of the news story, but it's just in case anyone got overly upset at the photo. I know I did, real or not. The point was to stir up exactly the sort of response it has done. "Debate is a wonderful thing. As long as we don't have to discuss it."

Thanks spookypurple. Again, I would love it if this were tabloid junk and it had no truth to it whatsoever.

OMG! lol are you kidding?
Could you please tell me who is going to build back the country...?
And any idea of how much this reconstruction market worth?
...

and by the way :

(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0305-01.htm )

I don't know if this war was a 'good' or a 'bad' thing...
But to my mind waging a war without ONU authorization is like saying 'fuck' to the world.
In french we don't say 'to break the law' but 'to r-a-p-e the law' and it's exactly what your government did (and Blair's one, etc...).
You know there are a lot of things in my country history which i'm not proud of...but this time i feel really glad that France didn't get involved in this shit.
Well now it's true, i should have posted in the 'politics' board ^^'
But i just felt offended by being called 'backstabbing, cowardly bastards' and so on just because my country didn't blindly follow yours like UK did.
I think you should watch 'Farenheit 9/11' (M. Moore)...but if you already did what's your opinion about it? Didn't it change your mind about Bush?


p.s. yes 'weak up' was a mistake ^^' (=wake up) i typed to quickly :p
and thanks all i really enjoy writing in english, so feel free to give me any advice i'm always pleased to learn =)

sorry the 'edit' button leave to quickly ^^'

the whole quote is : $500 million just for wheat...
the whole reconstruction market should worth over $5 BILLIONS...(here but it's in french)

here is the google translation :

The Pentagon announced Wednesday the granting of seven contracts, of a total value of some 130 million dollars, at British and American companies within the framework of the rebuilding of Iraq. The amount of each contract oscillates between 8,4 million dollars and 43,4 million dollars. It is the company Iraq Power Alliance, association between American Parsons Energy and Chemicals Group and the Parsons-Brinkerhoff British, who obtained the juiciest contract, is 43,4 million dollars for the sector of electricity. In the next days ten other contracts should be allotted, relating in particular to the sectors of public works and water or teaching and health.
The whole representing a total envelope of 5 billion dollars.