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joyslayer 11-28-2005 05:00 PM

What is evil, anyway?
 
Evil.

Is Evil simply the amount of scars left over from your past?

Is it the color of your soul? The depth of your compassion?

Is Evil just a way of life? Or a way of acting?

Is it a punishment? A gift?

What is evil, anyway?

Disfunction 11-28-2005 05:02 PM

Evil is non-existent.

rockandrose 11-28-2005 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Disfunction
Evil is non-existent.

"Evil" does exist, in a fantastical sense.

tenet_2012 11-28-2005 05:17 PM

There is evil. What was Hitler if evil didn't exsist?

Was he just insane?

TeapotScar 11-28-2005 05:35 PM

Selfishness. Evil is selfishness, pure and simple, when you just boil it down.

I mean, a lot of us see manifestations of evil when people hurt others for "no reason", but there's always a reason, and if you can't find it, then that's a reason in itself- just for selfish amusement.

And on the subject of Hitler, he was obviously selfish- his interests were for the blonde-haired and the blue-eyed, and his selfishness comes from the fact that he was so obsessed he thought he was the blonde-haired, blue-eyed God's gift to the Aryan race.

It is a way of life, for some people. Somebody who is so selfish that it has manifestations in other peoples' lives... that's not just a part of the "evil" person, that is them. It's who they are, an inescapable fact.

People are always wondering about the big "If there was no evil, then would there be good?", and I've always sort of thought "No, because 'good' doesn't even really exist, now. It's just a word we use to say 'not evil' in a world of abundant evil."

Evil... is selfishness.

Disfunction 11-28-2005 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tenet_2012
There is evil. What was Hitler if evil didn't exsist?

Was he just insane?

Hitler did what he thought was good.
Hitler was also a vegetarian.

Hitler also did a bunch of wonderful things for the German people that most people discount because.... he was Hitler.

Hitler was a paranoid schizophrenic.

Yes, he was crazy.

Evil doesn't exist; it is a subjective term to be applied to absolutes.

There's no such thing as pure selfishness, and no such thing as pure selflessness. The Catholic church in Austria preached anti-semitism; Hitler was a bi-product of that. Are you going to suggest that the Catholic church is evil?

Disfunction 11-28-2005 05:42 PM

....and why does everyone bring up Hitler when evil comes up?

Why can't anyone bring up Stalin or Cortez?

joyslayer 11-28-2005 05:46 PM

Well, maybe, I mean, it all depends on the person. I am an athiest. I've been told i'm going to hell by many catholics, i was ***** by a bunch of chrustian people because i am an athiest. I mean, no, they were not evil, just stupid. But many other people in my place, might consider Christians evil. After all, in the bible, is says that women are not of the holy state.

joyslayer 11-28-2005 05:47 PM

(meant to reply to Disfunction's remark about Catholic-church)

rockandrose 11-28-2005 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Disfunction
....and why does everyone bring up Hitler when evil comes up?

I think there is no correlation between the two.

In terms of "evil", Hilter is irrelevant.

joyslayer 11-28-2005 05:51 PM

But he might be a good example for mis-guided teachings.

tenet_2012 11-28-2005 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Disfunction
Are you going to suggest that the Catholic church is evil?

Yes.




















No, the Catholic Church does do good things, I guess. I can't think of any right now. But, I know that it would be simply impossible for that many people to be pure evil.

Disfunction, I agree with you. One cannot descibe anything in absolutes, but I believe that evil does exsist in the world. Maybe not in absolutes but, it does exsist.

One simple fact proves it for me: without evil there is no good. I have to believe in good. Without good, what is the point of living?

joyslayer 11-28-2005 05:56 PM

But even with good, is there still a point of living? I mean, for one w/o the faith in a god.

rockandrose 11-28-2005 06:01 PM

"without evil there is no good" is not a fact.

tenet_2012 11-28-2005 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by joyslayer
But even with good, is there still a point of living? I mean, for one w/o the faith in a god.

One does not need to have faith in a god to feel the need to live a good life.

It feels good to do good things.

The emotions like guilt and fear feel bad and are a result of doing bad things.

However, one cannot deny there is a god. If you are true to your feelings, you feel god. I didn't believe in god(I was lying to myself) for a long time. Then, I found out ice floats and I no longer could deny that there was a god.

Although, I am not a christian. I believe everyone has their "own" god.

I'm ranting again.... sorry.

tenet_2012 11-28-2005 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rockandrose
"without evil there is no good" is not a fact.

Sure it is.

Without ying there is no yang.

Without woman there is no man.

It's a very simple concept.

Scythan 11-28-2005 06:06 PM

What does the fact that ice floats have to do with anything?

rockandrose 11-28-2005 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tenet_2012
Sure it is.

Without ying there is no yang.

Without woman there is no man.

It's a very simple concept.

It is not a fact but a theory.

tenet_2012 11-28-2005 06:09 PM

All the elements on the planet, that we know of, sink in their solid forms, except water.

If ice sank life couldn't exsist.

Disfunction 11-28-2005 06:10 PM

Evil is nestled firmly against the breast of subjectivity, where it supples ceaselessly.

Get out of that mindset.

Scythan 11-28-2005 06:12 PM

Ice floats because of water's hydrogen bonds. These bonds are the reason that we are made up of mostly water (they help chemical reactions to occur, cause materials to dissolve more easily, etc.). We have evolved due to the prevalence of water, and if anything so common suddenly changed its properties, we would die. It's not just luck; it's natural selection that we are able to live in this environment.

SlayMyBlackHeart 11-28-2005 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by joyslayer
Evil.

Is Evil simply the amount of scars left over from your past?

Is it the color of your soul? The depth of your compassion?

Is Evil just a way of life? Or a way of acting?

Is it a punishment? A gift?

What is evil, anyway?


Evil is the light, happiness, and yoo-hoo!

joyslayer 11-28-2005 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenet_2012
One does not need to have faith in a god to feel the need to live a good life.

It feels good to do good things.

The emotions like guilt and fear feel bad and are a result of doing bad things.

However, one cannot deny there is a god. If you are true to your feelings, you feel god. I didn't believe in god(I was lying to myself) for a long time. Then, I found out ice floats and I no longer could deny that there was a god.

Although, I am not a christian. I believe everyone has their "own" god.

I'm ranting again.... sorry.


It is the God thing I do not grasp. IF there was a god, would i still have gotten *****? I have not done anything to deserve that, atleast not that I know of.... And would there be so much suffering? I've seen alot. And it is Those experiences that have contributed to my Athiest point of view.

rockandrose 11-28-2005 07:25 PM

Clearly, God or no God has no relation to "evil".


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