Random Bookbag/Locker Checks
 

How would you feel if public schools instituted random bookbag & locker checks? I'm personally against it...I feel it's a way of saying that all school students are punks and criminals. Laws based on stereotypes never work, just piss people off. What's your opinion on this subject?

Bah. I know I said I already did my last post, but just one more.

It sucks how schools do this, but it's called in loco parentis. That means they take over the responsibility as your parents while you are in their custody. So, they legally have the right to do it.

But since they are my guardians, I can just say no and get sent to my room :p

Also, doesn't that mean they can spank me?

All of this seems to go over my head. I mean why they would search bags in school.

I think that they should do it once in a while and check EVERYONE in the school in order to kind of control the students. But they shouldn't check lockers or bags really often or, like Xng said, target specific students.

Our highschool was used by the RCMP to train drug-sniffing dogs, and occasionally they'd bring them around the locker area...It was pretty funny seeing people stuff the weed down their pants before the dogs get to their locker ^_^

Yeah, thats already legal in the states. Federal courts ruled that schools/universities own the lockers/email/shell accounts so they can search them anytime they want without asking and without a warrant because it's their private property, while as a corporation has to get a warrant or have a rule on file which the employees must sign to give up that right.

I know, as while attending university in the states, I was brought up on judicial review board charges no less than 12 times in 3 seperate incidents, one of which involved the FBI going through my shell account and trying to bring charges against me and another involving the ATF, who raided my house on campus with an assault team.

Both were deemed legal, even though they never had warrants and other than 'hear-say' information, they really had weak cases, which meant on one level it was good, as neither agency could prosecute me, but the schools judicial board as because its not a real court was able to impose sentences that effected my school career.

I was forced to change majors as I was barred from all the computer labs on campus and my email/shell was taken and never given back, plus on the other event I was barred from keeping firearms in any residence on campus and had to sign a waivers allowing for campus security to preform random security checks of my house or face expulsion.

Yeah, it sucks, but the courts agree that the school is doing you a favor since it's their party and their equipment your using.

OK...well lockers are school property, but bookbags? We buy the bookbags, we bring the bookbags, and we take the bookbags home with our homework. If kids really want to bring weed/guns that bad, they'd stash it in their pants or in their coat pockets. That's most likely how the kids responsible for Columbine brought guns in, and the occasional kids smoking weed in my school's bathroom bring weed that way. However, the following type of case may happen: I might have some pornography in my bag, that I got from a friend of mine, and was going to take home at the end of the day. If security saw it, they'd confiscate it, jerk off to it while they're on break, and then report it to the teachers and have me suspended...you know how school is.

How often do they search them?

It's probably more justifiable in America, where you have things like high school shootings to worry about. Over here, all they'd really have found was cigarettes and weed, maybe something harder of the kid's a REAL reb... but nothing dangerous to others. I would have been opposed if you'd asked me back then because I usually had something to hide, but nothing dangerous; just standard, run-of-the-mill teen paraphernalia. Basically, nothing that's any of their business or gives them a good reason to MAKE it their business.

Sternn... I still don't think you answered EPS' question on WHY you have been in so much shit in MANY different countries...

Yeah, that was over here;

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showth...?t=1138&page=3

This was the specific post if Sternn is too spent to scroll up to find my post. :p

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showpo...&postcount=139

He has a wee bit of a habit of ignoring questions that we ask him.

Which is frustrating, because he tends to make statements that would make ANYONE ask for some sort of corroboration of fact, but then he never returns to the topic or the questions asked of him.

Not my favorite aspect of his personality to say the least.

One would assume that he doesn't mind talking about it, since HE is the one that brought it up.

So where is all this "First Hand Experience" Information?

*thumps Sternn*

Thanks EPS!

I still don't think that is a sufficient answer on his part... but that's me.

No, no.. That wasn't the answer to my question..

That's his second remark on the same subject, which prompted my second round of unanswered questions to Sternn. ;)

So he has yet to answer either inquiry..

*sporks eyeball*

*eats sporked eyeball* Yummy!

Remarks are not answers... jesus.

On topic.

I think that students that are under investigation for things like drugs and other threatening contents have to be searched. I'm not just talking their lockers and backpacks... I'm talking their person.

That's why schools have resource officers. Which my school doesn't have because "we don't have a problem" Says the principal that didn't suspend or expell ANY of the students who cumlatively had enough drugs to supply the School. We may be a small school... but STILL!

God.

I would be more open to talking about if there weren't a few mitgating factors here...

1. The /boards directory of Gothic.Net needs a listing in the robots.txt as everything I say comes back in Google when you do a search of the word 'sternn'. So I'm not trying to broadcast certain information to the world through Google. In fact it would be nice if moderators requested we remove the boards from the Google spiders via the robots.txt.

2. I still have cases pending. And as mentioned, this is getting broadcasted daily through Google, and I already have a fan club that tracks my posts, watches my replies, and reads me emails, so I'm not trying to give them anything they could use as a proverbial cudgel.

:)

Lets just say this...

As mentioned before, I was booted from the military because of certain actions, and those actions later had a bearing on the aformentioned incidents at the university.

Slán go Fóil!

-S

Also on topic, the high I went to in the states had a policy to search cars, a policy which stood up in court, as I know because my car was searched, an empty beer can was found, they feckin' finger printed it, I'm not making this up, and then gave me 2 weeks detention PLUS brought in the police, had me arrested, and I ended up in feckin' monthly NARCA-NON meetings, court ordered, plus they took my license for 6 months.

True storey. Unrelated to all previous incidents, this was when I was like 16. But yeah, they can search your car, bookbag, anything ON their property as well as it's legal for the same reasons they can search your person and property when you enter a courthouse - all government owned and you have no rights to anything in their buildings.

If it is the truth, why are you afraid of posting it?

Could you explain the part I highlighted? I've been wondering how to keep myself from showing up in google searches with my information here.

How do we prevent that or stop that from happening?
I don't like it either for personal reasons.

I can understand you not wanting to discuss pending cases..
Care to discuss any closed ones? :p

I have nothing to add to this, but....

I think my whole highschool erupted with laughter when the school decided to have a lockdown with drug-sniffing dogs and didn't find ANY drugs... in a school where I bet 60% of the kids do some sort of drug.