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Corpsey 03-19-2011 05:55 PM

Libya - Airstrikes begin
 
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...243968135.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Jazeera
French warplanes have hit four tanks used by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi on the outskirts of the opposition stronghold of Benghazi, on a day when opposition fighters in the city reported coming under constant artillery and mortar fire.

The US has also launched cruise missiles from ships based in the Mediterrannean Sea, and has taken the lead in military operations during the first phase, Kimberly Halkett, Al Jazeera''s correspondent in Washington DC reported.

Thoughts?

Also, video source:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...243968135.html

The action marks the first international military moves against the Libyan leader, and it comes a day after the UN Security Council authorised a no-fly zone over the North African country.
Read the Libya Live Blog

In the first phase of the operation, named "Odyssey Dawn", the US will target Libyan Integrated Missile Defence Systems, mainly near Tripoli and Misurata, officials said. French aircraft had initiated operations by targetting Libyan air fields.

It is not clear when the second wave of operations will begin, but Al Jazeera''s Halkett reported that it would target Gaddafi's ground forces and tanks.

Other countries involved in military operations at this stage include Canada, the United Kingdom, France and Italy.

A spokesman for the French military had confirmed that his country's fighter jets have attacked a vehicle belonging to Gaddafi's forces.

"The vehicle was clearly identified as being enemy," army spokesman Colonel Thierry Burckhard said after the first UN-mandated air strike, describing the target as "a vehicle that was threatening the civilian population".

Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister, said that operations "will continue over the next few days" until the Gaddafi government complies with UN Resolution 1973.

Libyan state television reported that civilian targets in Tripoli had been bombarded, as well as fuel stores in Misurata. The state news agency reported that there had been "civilian casualties as a result of this aggression".

In a brief statement on state television, Muammar Gaddafi said that the air strikes marked the beginning of another "crusade", adding that the Mediterranean and North Africa were being turned into a "battleground".

Mohammad al-Zawi, the secretary-general of the Libyan parliament, told reporters late on Saturday that his country was facing a "barbaric" attack, and reiterated that Libyan forces had been observing a "ceasefire".

The US says that no coalition military operations are currently planned for near the opposition stronghold of Benghazi, but that a no-fly zone will include Tripoli, Sabha, Natoura, Misurata and Benghazi.

Earlier on Saturday, pro-government forces had entered the western outskirts of the city, while French Rafale and Mirage fighter jets began reconnaissance overflights of "all Libyan territory".

Ahmad Shabani, a spokesman for the Libyan opposition''s national council, told Al Jazeera the opposition was heartened by the move.

"We are very happy about that, hopefully it's not late... and hopefully it makes a difference," he said.

Meanwhile, four Al Jazeera journalists were detained in western Libya on Saturday. It was not immediately clear what charges, if any, they were being held on in Tripoli.

Fighting in Benghazi

Witnesses in Bengazi, in the east of the country, said they heard large explosions on Saturday. Al Jazeera's correspondents in the city reported multiple explosions, plumes of smoke in the sky and a fighter jet belonging to the opposition getting shot down.

Government troops reportedly bombed the southern Benghazi suburb of Goreshi among other places. Artillery and mortars were also fired in the centre of the city.

Mustafa Abdel Jalil, head of the opposition National Libyan Council, told Al Jazeera "there is a bombardment by artillery and rockets on all districts of Benghazi".

James Bays, Al Jazeera''''s correspondent in Benghazi, reported that while the air strikes by international planes were not evident, people were "cheered" by the report. He said, however, that there was a prevalent atmosphere of nervousness and fear, as well.

Government denials

The Libyan government firmly denied that it was attacking the city on Saturday. "There are no attacks whatesover on Benghazi. As we said, we are observing the ceasefire," Musa Ibrahim, a government spokesman, told the Reuters news agency.

Khaled Kaim, Libya''s deputy foreign minister, told the BBC "the ceasefire is real, credible and solid. We are willing to receive [international] observers as soon as possible".

On Saturday, Moussa Khoussa, the foreign minister, requested Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations chief, to send observers to monitor the "ceasefire", saying that his country has "fulfilled all of its obligations to the international community".

But Ibrahim Jibreel, a Libyan political activist, told Al Jazeera "we need to first consider the source" when receiving information about Libya. He said the government has "demonstrated their ability and willingness to lie time and time again".

Besides Benghazi, fresh fighting was reported on Saturday in the nearby town of Ajdabiyah, while fierce battles raged in the western town of Misurata.

Reports also indicated that pro-Gaddafi forces had attacked the town of Az Zintan.

Meanwhile, Abdel Fatah Younis, the former interior minister who left Gaddafi''''s government to join the opposition, has denied reports on Libyan state television that he has rejoined the government.

Ibrahim, the government spokesman, told reporters on Saturday that Gaddafi had sent urgent messages to the US president, the French president and the British prime minister, as well as the secretary-general of the UN.

Meanwhile, in the capital, Tripoli, pro-Gaddafi demonstrators held rallies, with several hundred gathered at his Bab al-Aziziyah palace saying that they were there to protect the site from any possible air strikes, Al Jazeera correspondent Anita McNaught reported.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) warned on Saturday that civilians were at high risk, and called upon all parties involved to respect international humanitarian law.

"As airstrikes in Libya by international forces begin, the ICRC calls upon all parties - the international forces, the Libyan government forces, and the armed opposition - to abide strictly by the rules and principles of
international humanitarian law," the ICRC said in a statement.

I'm paying this a lot of attention as I'm unsure as to the direction this could go towards. I also thought Hillary should have said "AMERICA!" more boldly.

Thoughts?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...243968135.html

Ben Lahnger 03-19-2011 06:06 PM

I'm hopeful the U.S. only remains involved in a limited role.

"I assumed attacking Libya was costly, but we're taking advantage of special 'Wage 2 Wars Get The 3rd War Free' promotion." - Frank Conniff

morgoth 03-19-2011 09:14 PM

Related to Libya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY-_J...layer_embedded

Quote:

FARRAKHAN: "I warn my brother do you let these wicked demons move you in a direction that will absolutely ruin your future with your people in Africa and throughout the world...Why don't you organize a group of respected Americans and ask for a meeting with Qaddafi, you can't order him to step down and get out, who the hell do you think you are?

I wonder if goths on this website know who the "wicked demons" are as described in Farrakhan's peroration. He also talks about the white militia in the USA. He's right on track... Like me, he KNOWS what's going on....These revolutions you see around the world will soon hit the USA as well....

ssj_goku 03-25-2011 08:47 AM

wer egonna mess that guy up!

Versus 03-25-2011 11:26 AM

I think we might be busy at the moment.

Judas 03-28-2011 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleK (Post 660818)
I'd go for limited. Our support should reflect the will of the people of Libya.

"Should" being the operative term.

Sinjob 03-28-2011 05:53 PM

All I can really say is, Obama promised us peace and now not even four months into his term we're in another fucking country.

Versus 03-28-2011 06:04 PM

You say it like you're personally effected.

Fruitbat 03-28-2011 06:13 PM

It will all come down to the oil rights again.

I really hope air support is all that is provided.

Saya 03-28-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinjob (Post 661423)
All I can really say is, Obama promised us peace and now not even four months into his term we're in another fucking country.

!

I, uh....its been a bit more than four months?

Despanan 03-29-2011 09:46 AM

Yeah Sinjob, try over two years...and we're not in the country, we're just blowin' shit up right now.

Sinjob 03-29-2011 12:23 PM

God I'm stupid.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saya (Post 661437)
!

I, uh....its been a bit more than four months?

Really gotta stop smoking that shit..I was thinking of how he was inagurated in Jan. 20 and then I forgot we were in '11 not '10. But aside from that being a horrid mistake that will now forever haunt me, also just goes to show that nothing has changed.

Sinjob 03-29-2011 01:09 PM

As long as there's no charge afterwards.

Despanan 03-29-2011 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinjob (Post 661570)
Really gotta stop smoking that shit..I was thinking of how he was inagurated in Jan. 20 and then I forgot we were in '11 not '10. But aside from that being a horrid mistake that will now forever haunt me, also just goes to show that nothing has changed.

Obama was pretty Hawkish during the campaign, so I don't see what you're complaining about. I'm not surprised we're lobbing a few missiles into Lybia, it's pretty much exactly the same thing Clinton did with Iraq back in the 90s.

Man, remember the 90s?

Sinjob 03-29-2011 02:30 PM

It's just not what I expected out of him, that's all.

Ben Lahnger 03-29-2011 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Despanan (Post 661590)
Obama was pretty Hawkish during the campaign, so I don't see what you're complaining about. I'm not surprised we're lobbing a few missiles into Lybia, it's pretty much exactly the same thing Clinton did with Iraq back in the 90s.

Man, remember the 90s?

Yeah, we had a pretty good surplus by the end of his term and those missiles didn't cost $1.4 mil a piece at the time.

Despanan 03-31-2011 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinjob (Post 661595)
It's just not what I expected out of him, that's all.

Try listening to what politicians say, instead of just expecting things out of them.

The biggest problem with Obama is that he's trying to compromise and be reasonable with unreasonable people. If he just said: "You know what America, here's what we're gonna do, and there's not a damn thing the republicans can do about it. Duces."

The democratic senators and the people would fall into line around him, and the Republicans would still be acting the exact same way they are now.

Dude is a DEMOCRAT, worldwide that means CENTRIST. Not only that, he's a centrist democrat who wants to compromise. You sound like you believed he was a dove-ish socialist all the time.

Obama is neither and never claimed to be either one.

Dude is still the best alternative we have right now. Without Obama we'd probably have McCain/Palin runnin' shit right now, and we'd be in deeper shit than we were before.

The Left needs to stop criticizing and fragmenting itself and UNIFY against the Republicans, because you can BET those assholes are all marching in the same line, and if we keep quibbling over: "Oh I expected him to pull us out of these wars" you're adding fuel to conservative rhetoric and disenfranchising leftists.

We can push Healthcare into something that's actually socialized and work on releasing the stranglehold that the ultra-rich have on the political process later. Right now we need to focus on defeating the crazy fucks who are trying to bust unions, gut education and replace our local governments with corporations.

You don't bitch about your shitty refrigerator when your house is on fire, ya dig?

Ben Lahnger 03-31-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by despanan (Post 662139)
you don't bitch about your shitty refrigerator when your house is on fire, ya dig?

this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!


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