[horrorgirl]

Originally Posted by Pathogen.

HORRORGIRL: For one, I fucking hate Lost Angeles with a motherfucking passion. So the Punks down there being dicks toward you come as no surprise to me, since they're obsessed more with fashion [a leftover behavioural trait from the 1990s "Pop-Punk" explosion]. Second, most of my friends are Punks. I can actually be myself around them more than I can around a nightclub or room full of other Goths. They accept me for who I am instead of giving me shit about it. In every little circle I'm in, which has either majority Punks, majority Anarchists or majority Radical Gays, I'm usually either the only Black dude or the only Goth. Third, every once in a while, I'll have someone 10-17 years younger than me hitting on me, too. Unless they're 21 and over, NO FUCKING DICE. Fourth, You were hella lucky that you didn't witness or become a victim of that "carnage" the way I did. Then again, I don't regret some of it either [just the whole being backstabbed by 4 dozen people & becoming a hermit thing]. I always had Gothic affectations in my way of exploring/enjoying life. Even as a teenaged high school Metalhead, I've always worn trenchcoats, wore black clothes, slept in a bedroom with the shades down at all times [even when it was bright & sunny], liked vampire novels & movies, wore silver jewelry, visited boneyards during sundown & so on. Fifth, I still spend time in both subcultures, just like you did a decade ago. The only difference is: I spend more time in the Hardcore Punk scene because that's where I have the most friends/acquaintences/peers. I often wish I had that many friends in this subculture that I identify with the most. Then again, like you said, it's a big passive-aggressive fashion show. And can be elitist as fuck towards newcomers. [That's definitely true of the Hollywood Gothic-Industrial scene, which is why I fucking hate it.]

What I have always liked about the harcore punk scene is that people,for the most part,speak their minds and are up front. If a person is a dick and you call them on it you will get respect from people rather than in the goth scene where people will tell you that you have no right to say something like that. The hardcore punk scene is less passive agressive in nature. I have always been really outspoken and that aspect of my personality got me into a HUGE amount of trouble in the goth scene. People were lying assholes, I called them on it, and a bunch of people say that I am a jealous bitch. Jealous of what? Of being a backstabbing idiot? Also, it was really rare for me to connect on a deep level with anybody in the goth scene. I have dropped completely out of the goth scene and once my boyfriend and I move to Seattle I am going to start participating in the hardcore scene again. I want to go to a lot of shows, volunteer for political action groups, and feel like I am contributing something to the subculture. A part of me will always be 'goth' in nature but I will never again participate in that subculture.