[Icarian Decoding]

Originally Posted by Xnguela

Hmm, is there a debate involving Icarian and some extremely skewed views? Where have I seen this before?

Gee, I wonder. Oh, why don't you come out and say it. It was in sexuality. There. Happy?

Originally Posted by Loy

Icarian-you say that homosexuality has been basically banned by the desert religions (easier to say than Judea-Christian-islamic), and that makes up most of the world. However, these religions are not the majority religion....in fact, monotheism (the worship of one god) is only practiced by about 35% of the worlds population (at least it was about 9 years ago, last time I looked. However, I have high doubts that it's changed very much since then). So to base your argument of homosexuality being a cross-cultural taboo from the desert-religion standpoint is creating a false positive. First by cretaign the assumption that these religions dominate the world, and secondly by not pointing out the fact that these three religions are outgrowths of each others spiritual base.

Actually, let's retake a look at that.

Christianity: 2.1 billion
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Christianity: 33%
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
Showing a dropping trend.
Condemns Homosexuality.

Muslims: 1.3 billion
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Muslims: 19.6%
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
Showing a growing trend.
Condemns homosexuality.

Judaism: 14 million
Judaism: .2%
Showing a stable trend.
Condemns homosexuality.

Buddhism: 376 million
Buddhism: 6%
Disregards all forms of sexuality.

Chinese traditional religion: 394 Million people
Chinese traditional religion: 6%
Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, all regard it as being negative. While some takes provide that homosexuality is allowed, the general part is that it's not.

Sikhism: 23 Million
Sikhism: .36%
Doesn't strong approve or disapprove.

So, if you add that all up.
It's 4183000000 members of religions that don't either a. Approve of homosexuality, b. Endorse homosexuality c. strongly approve or disapprove, or d. have sex at all.
Right now, there are 6621210039 or so.
For some reason, that tells me the majority frowns down upon it.

Now, if that's not enough to convince you, let's look at whose's been in power of late. Tony Blair, George Bush, Colin Powell, etc, are primarily heterosexual (To my knowledge). Stalin, Hitler, and Eisenhower, along with pretty much all of the presidents, have been heterosexual. Nearly every celebrity has been heterosexual, to my knowledge. I know there have been a few stars here and there, (Elton John, Ellen Degeneres), who have admited they are homosexual, but it seems to me, for the most part, they aren't. Then, after that, we look at people like Martin Luther King, and Ghandi. They were both heterosexual. Bin Laden, Sadam Hussein, and Hamas. Heterosexual. Bill Gates, Donald Trump. Heterosexual. It seems like alot more people are heterosexual and in power, then those over homosexual. Then again, you could apply the same concept to black people. It's still, just another thing.

(P.S. Don't bring up the minority crap about, "They're only X amount of the population". Guess what? When 40% of the countries economy is run by 1% of the economy, it's them who matter on the global scale.)

Originally Posted by Loy

Japan-accepted. You wanna go into the history of the samurai?

Ah yes, the lovely people who killed themselves when their masters died.

Originally Posted by Loy

Russia-Fluctuated with whoever the leader at the time was. Most "communist' leaders were against it, but plenty of the tsars allowed it.

Plenty of Tsars around too, eh?

Originally Posted by Loy

We can also get into indiginious tribes from all over the world (South America, North America, Africa, Australia) and see many, many systems that were set up for homosexual acts to be performed, and call me crazy, but I think this points to an acceptence of homosexuality, don't you?

I hope so, but the facts I see don't tell me so. My guess is it's just less of a hassle to deal with it.

Originally Posted by Loy

And of course we can go back to the beginnings of western civilization-ancient Greece, where homosexuality was very much an accepted part of life....then again, the Greeks ideal love was paedophilia, so I don't think we should dwell too long on them.

They also married their Brothers and Sisters, and murdered their parents.

Once again, I'm not trying to put anyone who is homosexual down. I'm simply stating how I see it.