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Old 06-20-2006, 06:54 PM   #13
Dawngreeter
 
Join Date: May 2006
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I see Haunted House already tackled the issue, but I'll chime in as well.

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Originally Posted by Lady Victoria Pareesis
Where do I put Sisters of Mercy?
The Sisters of Mercy are what ended the first generation Gothic and started the second generation Gothic. Up until Andrew and Dr. Avalanche, Gothic was a lot punkier, happier, fun sort of music. In fact, it was first called Positive Punk, but the name didn't stick. After the Sisters everyone figured Gothic should have a drum machine and deep, melancholic lead vocals. Which, when Andrew started doing his thing, was pretty much unheard of.

So, the Sisters are Gothic Rock.

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Originally Posted by Lady Victoria Pareesis
And Alice Cooper?
Early metal? Gloomy glam hard rock? Proto-eyeliner rock?

Ok, I joke. And I also have no idea how exactly Alice Cooper is classified, mostly because I have little interest in such music. But it is not Gothic nor any of the related genres. He belongs to the Black Sabbath timeline that metalheads love and base their plots to commit overture of the Gothic subculture on.

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Originally Posted by Lady Victoria Pareesis
Why Goth and Batcave are not the same?
They actually are the same. I used to be vehemently opposed to using the term Batcave as if it was a genre category. It can mean pretty much anything from only the music that the Batcave club was most famous for back in the day (the spooky trinity - Alien Sex Fiend, Specimen and Sex Gang Children) or the entire first generation Gothic. Broader approach being much more common nowadays.

The reason Batcave as a genre category is starting to be used more and more is because these days Gothic doesn't really mean anything. Oontz-oontz music is called Gothic, metal is called Gothic, friggin' Placebo is called Gothic... And people who are into what Gothic originally was have no desire to associate themselves with what Gothic is assumed to represent in this day and age.

To paint my point with blatant stereotypes, it would go something like this. You say you listen to Gothic, people expect you to wear a crushed velvet dress and write crappy poetry about how much you want to die. You say you listen to Batcave, people expect you to wear a leather jacket with Alien Sex Fiend written across the back, have lots of pins and sport a mohawk.

Going off on a tangent slightly, myself and a friend of mine made a series of comics we lovably named Goth Wars in which we made a comedic overview of the history of the subculture. If you will forgive the shameless plug, you can check it out here (and the following 6 episodes after it): http://www.cheap-velvet.com/index.php?date=2006-03-31

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Originally Posted by Lady Victoria Pareesis
Why am I so lame that I can't understand basic music classification?
The music industry and some of the bands do their best to confuse the people. Not your fault
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