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CptSternn · 10-10-2006, 10:39 PM

DarkBender -

We have a whole thread on illegal immigration. Before you start throwing out the common neocon arguments like ilelgal immigrants don't pay taxes, illegal immigrants cost tax payers money because of their kids going to school/hospitals, illegal immigrants take american workers jobs, etc. you should check the many websites that have stats on this.

Also visit our other thread on this. Not to rehash the whole thing, but a few quick comments you can check out and post about in the other thread...

1. The jobs they take are ones that americans will not do anyway. Without these workers, California fields would go untended - even with the illegals farm owners STILL are short labour EVERY year - you don't see any americans flocking to fill the still very real void that is present.

2. They do pay taxes. Americans are taxed more than any other first world country. Ironically, they get less from their taxes than most every other country as well, because the government claims to be capitalist instead of socialist, but thats a topic for another thread. You are taxed when you are paid, but lets remember a majority of that is for unemployement and social security - things illegals can't get anyway. They are then taxed on the things they purchase so they pay the same tax as you. If they put their money in a bank or invest it - it's taxed again. At the end of the day, they are on par with legal americans on the amount they actually pay in tax (multiple studies show this).

3. The amount of illegals in schools and visiting hospitals is dwarfed by the amount of indigent americans who claim status to not pay at the same institutions. Once again, many studies show this.

Check the other thread - you will see links, info, and lots of things you had no idea about (most all arguments for keeping out illegals are all falsehoods)

Think about this - with 14 million illegals in the states today, if the government wanted them out or thought they really were a drain on society do you not think they could have them removed? Removing them would hurt the economy in such a way america could not survive. Tis why they are still there.

Also realise there is no wall in history that has ever stopped people from crossing it. If they build a big wall, people will still find a way around it. And they know it - in fact, they are hoping they will. The wall is merely a symbol, not a barrier.

10-10-2006, 10:39 PM	#9
CptSternn Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,587	DarkBender - We have a whole thread on illegal immigration. Before you start throwing out the common neocon arguments like ilelgal immigrants don't pay taxes, illegal immigrants cost tax payers money because of their kids going to school/hospitals, illegal immigrants take american workers jobs, etc. you should check the many websites that have stats on this. Also visit our other thread on this. Not to rehash the whole thing, but a few quick comments you can check out and post about in the other thread... 1. The jobs they take are ones that americans will not do anyway. Without these workers, California fields would go untended - even with the illegals farm owners STILL are short labour EVERY year - you don't see any americans flocking to fill the still very real void that is present. 2. They do pay taxes. Americans are taxed more than any other first world country. Ironically, they get less from their taxes than most every other country as well, because the government claims to be capitalist instead of socialist, but thats a topic for another thread. You are taxed when you are paid, but lets remember a majority of that is for unemployement and social security - things illegals can't get anyway. They are then taxed on the things they purchase so they pay the same tax as you. If they put their money in a bank or invest it - it's taxed again. At the end of the day, they are on par with legal americans on the amount they actually pay in tax (multiple studies show this). 3. The amount of illegals in schools and visiting hospitals is dwarfed by the amount of indigent americans who claim status to not pay at the same institutions. Once again, many studies show this. Check the other thread - you will see links, info, and lots of things you had no idea about (most all arguments for keeping out illegals are all falsehoods) Think about this - with 14 million illegals in the states today, if the government wanted them out or thought they really were a drain on society do you not think they could have them removed? Removing them would hurt the economy in such a way america could not survive. Tis why they are still there. Also realise there is no wall in history that has ever stopped people from crossing it. If they build a big wall, people will still find a way around it. And they know it - in fact, they are hoping they will. The wall is merely a symbol, not a barrier.