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Old 01-18-2007, 12:58 AM   #144
Drake Dun
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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CptSternn... it is obvious that you care a lot about your views, and that you want other people to change the ways they think about certain things. Fair enough. But I have just finished scanning two CptSternn vs. Gothic.net type threads, and it is obvious that there is something else going on here, too. You said it yourself.

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Sheer boredom usually starts the thread, then watching the right wing-nuts get all up in arms and personalise the convo always cheers me up.
Clearly you enjoy the acrimony. The general pattern of your participation in the forum is to start with a perfectly valid point, often backed with serious and relevant sources... but then descend over the course of several exchanges into something else.

What does the prevalence of obesity in the United States have to do with anything? Whether your comments on that topic are true or not is beside the point. What's more important is that your purpose in making them can only be to insult and anger Americans. The other people on the forum sense this. That is why the T word is periodically trotted out to describe you.

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It's a socialist thing.
No. Socialism is a political-economic philosophy, not a personal ethic of antagonism. To be in ideological opposition to "right-wing nuts" is part of being a socialist. To relish inflicting anguish upon them and making them look stupid is something else.

Generating strife and persuading people to accept a position are incompatible aims. By your own admission, the ordinary response to your polemics is not sympathy, but further entrenchment in the ideas against which you are railing. It must be equally obvious that if indeed there are powers that have an interest in marginalizing your views by casting them as radical, paranoid, and hostile, you are basically providing them with free propaganda services.

Think about it. You have managed to convince yourself that a bunch of goths are in the far right. You couldn't ask for a group with a higher incidence of victimhood ideation. That doesn't strike you as odd? You may be a socialist, but your first cause is not socialism. Otherwise you would not be working diligently against its credibility, all the while raising its flag in perverse mockery.

It's at about this point in the post where we start talking psychology. I know that it always drives me nuts when people try to tell me what I am thinking and why, so I will refrain from working the same insult upon you. For now I will just say that I have observed the same patterns at times in myself and in other people, and I have theories, should you be interested.

About people in general though, I will offer this opinion. When you come to the table with the attitude that you are bringing into this forum, they are right to increase their opposition to you. This is true regardless of their views, your views, and the relative soundness of either. The words that come out of a crusader's mouth may be "social justice" or "level playing field", "moral clarity" or "tolerance". Take your pick, but the meaning behind them is always the same: It shall be understood between us that I and mine are in charge, and you and yours shall submit.

Against this attitude people are always right to stand.

Drake
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