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Old 09-11-2007, 01:55 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by Anguelon
Sternn...I'd like to ask your opinion about something since you've made it a full-time job to bash us Americans. I'm an American of Lebanese descent.
First, I don't bash Americans, only American policy. If you internalise and personalise my critique of the American government, thats your own personal issue, as I am not judging any person(s), merely pointing out issues with government policy.

Second, You claim to be a Lebanese decent, but you openly attack your own nations religious practices, government, and way of life. I would listen to your criticisms more if you appeared to be even slightly unbiased. You obvious pro-American policy slant means your no more a Lebanese citizen than any other American currently living there.

People in their own country should have the right to live their lives regardless of what some country half a world away thinks.

I must ask, if your not a fan of the country you have lived 16 years in, then why stay? I mean, if you are so anti-your-own-country, but stay anyway, then your selling out your own principles.

If you disagree with 75% of the people who live in your country (and growing), then your doing no one any good by staying there and complaining.

I would ask, why then a person who has such strong feelings against their own country and countrymen would stay in such a place, and argue with anyone who claims life there is good.

75% of the people there like it, enjoy it, and choose to live in such a manner. Who has the right to tell them what they can and can't do in their own country?

The Lebanese can kill/maim/torture anyone they want in the country who breaks their laws. Thats how it works. The majority of people there support that. America is attempting to force it's will upon nations, violating their human rights, and then claiming the governments in charge are violating their rights, as you claimed.

The difference is, the people there accept the Lebanese government, laws, and penalties - when a foreign nation tried to manipulate such events, thats a violation of the people in that country.

If the Lebanese don't like their way of life, they will rise up and change it, but its for them to do in their own time, not for America to jump in, like they do worldwide, and force their will upon other nations.

Much like punishing your own child in comparison with trying to punish a random child in the market - its not your place and no matter what the circumstances you will always be in the wrong.

Thats the problem I take issue with. Lebanon might have incidents which are more egregious than similar incidents in America (i.e. chopping off a hand instead of a jail sentence for theft), but thats their choice. The people there, made that choice and live by it. No other nation has the right to tell them it's wrong, especially a nation that hasn't even been in existence for anytime in comparison to the nation they want to change. Lebanon was around before America, and their ways have exists for centuries before America decided what they were doing is 'wrong' in *their* eyes.

More importantly, Lebanon doesn't hide the fact they participate in such activities. America on the other hand does one thing, and preaches another (do-as-I-say, no as-I-do). Thats the thing I take issue with, and the reason I post such items which you are on about.

People should be able to live by their own culture in their own country. They shouldn't force their will upon other nations. Nations who have existed for eons shouldn't be told by ones that have barely been here a few centuries that their way of life and their religion, which has been practiced for eons as well, is wrong and bad. Nations should live by the same standards which they claim to embrace, and be open with their people.

Thats my thoughts on yer post there for ye...
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