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Originally Posted by Bete Noire
I was referring more to the 90's and more modern brand of EBM. To say EBM is goth seems a little like saying goth is indie because they both take influence from post-punk.
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The bands you are labeling 'EBM' existed before the sub-genre of 'EBM', and 'Indy'. They existed before and were lumped with and toured with many goth bands on goth labels.