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fallen angel -

"friendship" and the actions of a "friend" can be viewed as you put it, sure - however i tend to feel that even if one has done all that one can to change or distract one's "friend" by what one believes to be a poor choice, that same person would cover a "friend's" back when push came to shove. and let's face facts - there are no "friends" when it comes to global politics, there are common interests. and that is perhaps where the point of your post lies.

the common interest here is oil. i would imagine that's something we could agree upon. you say the united states went to iraq in order to acquire oil although we have not benefitted from the iraq invasion. shall we redirect our attention to a leaked report last year condemning illegal kickbacks from iraq, namely saddam? something about your own country, in fact. something implicating your oh-so-innocent-and-righteous country for doing exactly what you accuse america of trying to achieve. from the timesonline -

Originally Posted by timesonline

"The report says oil was given to key countries: “The regime gave priority to Russia, China and France. This was because they were permanent members of, and hence had the ability to influence decisions made by, the UN Security Council. The regime . . . allocated ‘private oil’ to individuals or political parties that sympathised in some way with the regime.” "

surprisingly, we find your country's name right up there in the top 3. oh, and just as a reminder - your country was 1 of 3 who voted against the war. could it be your illustrious leader was bought off? could be, sure. but take heart - he wasn't the only weak man of governmental power. putin was right there next to him, as was schroeder from germany, who, interestingly enough, wasn't listed above. perhaps germany just knew enough not to vote for the affirmative when it came to invading another country, even if it was justified at the time. they've had a pretty bad history concerning such action.

Originally Posted by fallen_angel

And YOUR war was a fucking mistake. ( i'm not speacking in the name of France, it's only my opinion)
Your country ( government) lied to wage it's war.
As we, and many other country, thought there weren't any weapon of massive destruction in Irak.
You betrayed the UNO council, you betrayed the world. (you = your government but you choose it)

aw, hindsight's 20-20, isn't it? you're arguing what happened then with knowledge of the now. at the time, ALL of the u.n. believed that iraq and saddam had some capacity of illegal weapons and was not cooperating with international inspectors. this has all been covered over the past, few years here but a quick recap from fco.gov.uk is as follows -

Originally Posted by fco.gov.uk

"Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)


Weapons of mass destruction (WMD) were central to Saddam Hussein's dictatorship from the 1980s. In 1988, the regime used chemical weapons to kill thousands of Iraqi civilians. In the 1990s, UN weapons inspectors uncovered evidence of Iraq's ballistic missile, chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons programmes. But Iraq prevented them from finding out the extent of these programmes, and operated a complex deception and concealment programme. After the UN inspectors were effectively forced to leave Iraq in 1998, the 'Butler report' of 29 January 1999 made clear that thousands of tonnes of chemical and biological weapons were still unaccounted for. And we continued to receive information about Iraq's efforts to accelerate these illegal programmes.

In November 2002, the UN Security Council unanimously adopted resolution (UNSCR) 1441, where all members of the Security Council stated their belief that Iraq had not complied with Council resolutions, including on disarmament, and had proliferated WMD and long-range missiles that posed a threat to international peace and security.

Following the UN weapons inspectors' return to Iraq on 27 November 2002, their reports to the Security Council made clear that Iraq's co-operation had been neither full nor immediate. The Iraqi declaration of 7 December 2002 was incomplete, just as all its previous 'full and final' declarations had been.

The document released by the inspectors on 7 March 2003, the so-called 'Clusters Document' of outstanding disarmament issues, catalogued Iraqi evasion and deceit, of feigning co-operation while in reality pursuing a cynical policy of concealment (www.unmovic.org). The document detailed at least 29 instances of Iraqi failure to provide credible evidence, and at least 17 occasions when inspectors uncovered evidence that contradicted the official Iraqi account."

that's rather lengthy. feel free to read it, but the bottom line was - the u.n. (that's all countries across the globe, mind you) continued to pass resolutions. the u.n. believed there were weapons and/or weapon capabilities in iraq under saddam. the u.n sucks as a collective body and is capable of enforcing absolutely nothing. and when the u.n. decided to do what it does best, which was absolutely nothing, the u.s alongside other countries frustrated with the u.n.'s incapability to act decided to step up to the plate. i don't expect you to understand that in its entirety, fallen_angel. you were raised in a country that believes it's easier to drop drawers and expose your naked rear to an enemy, rather than fight. no fault lies with you, to be sure.

Originally Posted by fallen_angel

Just wake up please...your government is killing ( murdering) your country's boys (not to speack about irkian civilian) for OIL. And that's all.

yeah 'weak up' is exactly what you should do.
Do you want me post photos of legless childrens ?? ( yep i remind you that your democatic-fair-honourfull- country is still using ANTIPERSONNELMINES ( here are the members of the treaty : http://www.icbl.org/treaty/members ) well i don't see your country Oo any fucking explanation?

actually, you need to wake up. and i think it's funny that you spelled it 'weak up', whether on purpose or by accident. that pretty much describes your country to a 'T' and it's policy concerning action when it's needed.

photos of legless children... go ahead and post 'em. i've seen them. too bad saddam didn't live up to his end of the bargain. maybe they'd still have their legs, but a man who would gas whole cities of men, women and children doesn't have that on his conscience, i would imagine. every american soldier over there does, i would imagine again.

my opinion, fallen_angel, is that you're an anti-bush fanatic, another oh-so-fashionable stereotype of what has become popular in this world. show me proof that the united states is using land mines. that's nothing more than bull shit, until proven conclusively. what would we have to gain? we restrain ourselves when it comes to bombing areas, so as to cut the number of casualties but we set mines? makes no sense. there have been contentions both pro and con in terms of mine use. the truth lies somewhere in the middle - inconclusive for now.

Originally Posted by fallen_angel

Even if this news was true ( what i really don't think ) why the hell don't you care about your own country which is killing the world for $$$$$?

i find this quote especially funny when your country was turning a blind eye to death and the potential for more in iraq and abroad BECAUSE of the same money you have no proof to back up when it comes to america. spout your rhetoric. your words are empty.

now, i'll say again - i WISH we (america) had the wherewithal to pull every last man and woman out of that shitstain country as soon as we declared the search for weapons over. i care nothing for that cesspool of a country. let them all kill themselves. they mean nothing to me.

that money would be better spent here, inside our own borders. the iraqi constitution is a joke. their government is a joke. fuck them. i don't want anymore americans dying for their cause, whatever their cause is. let the iraqis fight for what they want. if they don't want another dictator taking control of their lives, they'll figure out how to do it.